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T2Kplus20

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I am a big believer in Cathie. I rarely put any of my money in funds. I have the means to and can do my own research. I don’t need to pay fees to someone else. Having said that, I do invest a small percentage of my personal portfolio in the ARKK funds.
I'm a fund/etf guy. All of our investments, except my crypto fun account, are funds. I have GBTC, ETHE, and 3 individual crypto-based stocks. I may add a stock or two in the future (even non-crypto), but no stocks in our retirement investments. Don't have the time to research and that's not my expertise.
 
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I’m not saying I would have been disappointed in CW’s ARKK return over 5 years, but this chart doesn’t scream rockstar in light of the market circumstances in 2020. I can tell you this much - I’m not a professional investor and my returns are comparable and in some years even better.

ARKK:

YTD10.40%
1-Month10.40%
3-Month53.87%
1-Year169.69%
3-Year52.15%
5-Year54.45%

I calling ******** that you have a 5 year average annual return over 50%.
 

BigWill

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Anyone that listened to me on putting 5 % of your portfolio into Gold ?

You are now up a substantial % so that the 5 % is higher.

Sell down to 5 % again and invest the profit elsewhere.
 

T2Kplus20

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Anyone that listened to me on putting 5 % of your portfolio into Gold ?

You are now up a substantial % so that the 5 % is higher.

Sell down to 5 % again and invest the profit elsewhere.
What the hell is gold? This thread is about digital gold!

:)
 

RUAldo

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I calling ******** that you have a 5 year average annual return over 50%.
I didn’t make the statement to brag, especially when going back 10-15 years ago my performance was lackluster and there were down years. I learned some valuable lessons chasing the next hot stock. And, I’m not including my 401K or Roth IRA which are invested in a mix of funds and more conservative plays. But, in the past 5 years, I went heavy on Big Tech like Google, FB, Amazon, plus IAC, Match, and a few other companies that were acquired, not to mention some biotechs, all in my individual account and simply stayed the course. Trust me - I’m not saying I’m an investment genius because the stocks in my account are well known (other than smaller biotechs).
 

RU05

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when did you recommend it? It’s down 7% this year and around 15% since August.
Ya, Gold has been a significant underperformer. I was in it twice, waiting for the inflation based move, but got out twice because the move never happened.

From the March lows GLD is up about 20%. Normal conditions that is good. This year? Dudzville.

The inflation money appears to be all going towards crypto. Does that change? I'm approaching doubtful at this point.
 

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I didn’t make the statement to brag, especially when going back 10-15 years ago my performance was lackluster and there were down years. I learned some valuable lessons chasing the next hot stock. And, I’m not including my 401K or Roth IRA which are invested in a mix of funds and more conservative plays. But, in the past 5 years, I went heavy on Big Tech like Google, FB, Amazon, plus IAC, Match, and a few other companies that were acquired, not to mention some biotechs, all in my individual account and simply stayed the course. Trust me - I’m not saying I’m an investment genius because the stocks in my account are well known (other than smaller biotechs).
I’ll also add the rules that guide my philosophy (none of which are novel or new and can be found in the bookstore): (1) you don’t need to swing at every pitch, (2) there’s always another train coming, (3) hate losing money more than I like making money, (4) do the research, (5) invest don’t trade, (6) buy low sell high - and buy a lot when you see a big sale, (7) take profits before you have to, and (8) take emotion out of the equation.

For me, (8) has helped the most psychologically. Down days used to drive me nuts. But, when you are confident in your positions those down days are like finding a sale at your favorite store.
 

mdk02

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I calling ******** that you have a 5 year average annual return over 50%.

It's possible, T Rowe Price New Horizons Fund has a 5 year rate of 35%, and while it has many great investments it doesn't have one that's the magnitude of Tesla. What' s even better is the 25 year rate of 14.2
 
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RU05

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BTC hanging in at 52K
ETH over 1.9K

Indexes all down. But not too bad. Nasdaq and S&P were both down big the last couple but battled back. Good sign maybe? But 2 consecutive lower lows and lower high days. Too small a sample perhaps to call it a trend.
 

RU05

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I’ll also add the rules that guide my philosophy (none of which are novel or new and can be found in the bookstore): (1) you don’t need to swing at every pitch, (2) there’s always another train coming, (3) hate losing money more than I like making money, (4) do the research, (5) invest don’t trade, (6) buy low sell high - and buy a lot when you see a big sale, (7) take profits before you have to, and (8) take emotion out of the equation.

For me, (8) has helped the most psychologically. Down days used to drive me nuts. But, when you are confident in your positions those down days are like finding a sale at your favorite store.
Aren't these contradictory?
 

RU05

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It's possible, T Rowe Price New Horizons Fund has a 5 year rate of 35%, and while it has many great investments it doesn't have one that's the magnitude of Tesla. What' s even better is the 25 year rate of 14.2
Are we saying 35% total return over 5 years? I'm seeing that fund around $45 in 2014. Currently at $86.
 

RUAldo

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Aren't these contradictory?
Not at all. I’m long every position unless I lose confidence or need to raise cash. So, I’m an investor not a trader. I do almost all of my buying on down days and get really aggressive during times of chaos. I was buying like crazy when COVID pummeled the market. Wish I bought more but the market snapped back way quicker than I expected. I also don’t hesitate to take profits if I’m satisfied with the return. For instance, I recently trimmed Pinterest (which I held since the IPO) because I was up big and wanted to raise cash for the correction I think is coming (no clue when). But, I still think it’s a winner so I didn’t sell all of it. I did the same with Chewy. I also sold my entire UnderArmor position because after god knows how long finally got into the green after making a dumb moves years ago. Next, I’ll look to build a position in PLTR if the price is right and also have a biotech play lined up.
 

T2Kplus20

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It's possible, T Rowe Price New Horizons Fund has a 5 year rate of 35%, and while it has many great investments it doesn't have one that's the magnitude of Tesla. What' s even better is the 25 year rate of 14.2
PRNHX is one of my main funds, have been for almost 15 years! My first big job after business school offered a T Rowe Price 401k.
 

RU05

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Not at all. I’m long every position unless I lose confidence or need to raise cash. So, I’m an investor not a trader. I do almost all of my buying on down days and get really aggressive during times of chaos. I was buying like crazy when COVID pummeled the market. Wish I bought more but the market snapped back way quicker than I expected. I also don’t hesitate to take profits if I’m satisfied with the return. For instance, I recently trimmed Pinterest (which I held since the IPO) because I was up big and wanted to raise cash for the correction I think is coming (no clue when). But, I still think it’s a winner so I didn’t sell all of it. I did the same with Chewy. I also sold my entire UnderArmor position because after god knows how long finally got into the green after making a dumb moves years ago. Next, I’ll look to build a position in PLTR if the price is right and also have a biotech play lined up.
I know it's semantics, and there are gray area's, but when I hear trimming in preperation for a correction, I consider that more along the lines of trading.
 

mdk02

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Are we saying 35% total return over 5 years? I'm seeing that fund around $45 in 2014. Currently at $86.

No. You're missing the effects of annual capital gains distribution and their reinvestment. .

Edited to add: Look at the graph in your Morningside graph on what happened to a $10k investment.
 
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RUAldo

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I know it's semantics, and there are gray area's, but when I hear trimming in preperation for a correction, I consider that more along the lines of trading.
I think it’s prudent to trim some long positions from time to time especially when my gut tells me there will be better long term investments up for grabs in the next correction. Holding the same stocks (especially tech) forever without any profit taking is a dangerous strategy. Utilities or telecom may be a diff story if it’s part of a DRIP.
 

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Major air has been let out of the green energy bubble. Needed for sure. Probably needs some more.
 

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And GME is the Hindenberg. Waiting for anyone to admit buying it above 60.
Can't help you on that.

But we really shouldn't be comparing the green energy trade to GME. Yes both went on big runs, but for vastly different reasons.
 
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Are we saying 35% total return over 5 years? I'm seeing that fund around $45 in 2014. Currently at $86.

PRNHX has returned 21% per year over 10 years and 27% per year over 5. The return in 2020 was 58%. These are great returns, and I like the the fund isn't primarily FAANG stocks.
 
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Can't help you on that.

But we really shouldn't be comparing the green energy trade to GME. Yes both went on big runs, but for vastly different reasons.

True. Some have been able to pay dividends for the past 2 years at a higher rate than the 10 year Treasury.
 
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What am I looking at here?

PRNHX Fund - Bing

The chart shows the fund's NAV (price) over time. However, mutual funds may have large dividends and this fund pays out a lot. The dividends get substracted from the NAV, so the chart you showed way underestimates the performance.

One note: This is a great fund for a retirement (tax privileged account), but probably not for a taxable account.
 
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T2Kplus20

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The chart shows the fund's NAV (price) over time. However, mutual funds may have large dividends and this fund pays out a lot. The dividends get substracted from the NAV, so the chart you showed way underestimates the performance.

One note: This is a great fund for a retirement (tax privileged account), but probably not for a taxable account.
+1
Had this fund in a 401k for the past 15 years. Now it's in a rollover IRA. :)
 

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I'm a fund/etf guy. All of our investments, except my crypto fun account, are funds. I have GBTC, ETHE, and 3 individual crypto-based stocks. I may add a stock or two in the future (even non-crypto), but no stocks in our retirement investments. Don't have the time to research and that's not my expertise.

Perfect stock for you would be JNJ. Growth, stable and diverse company.