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5%? Not even close. It's down like 2% and was at a new ATH like 15 minutes ago (Wed to be exact). One rough day due to an iffy consumer sentiment poll that doesn't reflect our nicely growing economy. So, emotion over reality. We've had a bunch of deep red days over the past several months and quickly bounced back.

A temporary correction will happen sooner or later. I don't think the August Japan Carry Trade dump got there. Maybe the last correction was fall of 2023? Not sure. Need to look that up. I believe we get a 10% correction every 2 years on average.
Yes, the market is less than 5%. One reason I generally don’t like mutual funds/ETF but I have some because I like to take a rest from the market sometimes. Individual stocks that I look at are down at least 10% and like it better at 15-20% down. I am anxiously awaiting the temp correction. Trump causes a lot more fluctuations and 10-20% ain’t large for him.
 
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IMO the biggest takeaway from him is the “be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful,” ….everyone knows that quote but when the time comes and push comes to shove how many actually step in versus being paralyzed and scared.

He sits on tons of cash if he doesn’t see anything worthwhile to deploy it on.

Often, nothing looks compelling’​

Buffett’s sitting on his hands amid a raging bull market that’s seen the S&P 500 gain more than 20% for two years in a row and move into the green again so far this year. Some cracks have begun to develop in the past week, however, with some concerns growing about a slowing economy, volatility from rapid policy changes from new President Donald Trump and overall stock valuations.
Berkshire shares were up 25% and 16% respectively the last two years and are up 5% so far this year.
Buffett did offer perhaps a small hint about stock valuations being a concern in the letter.
“We are impartial in our choice of equity vehicles, investing in either variety based upon where we can best deploy your (and my family’s) savings,” wrote Buffett. “Often, nothing looks compelling; very infrequently we find ourselves knee-deep in opportunities.”
 
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Often, nothing looks compelling’​

Buffett’s sitting on his hands amid a raging bull market that’s seen the S&P 500 gain more than 20% for two years in a row and move into the green again so far this year. Some cracks have begun to develop in the past week, however, with some concerns growing about a slowing economy, volatility from rapid policy changes from new President Donald Trump and overall stock valuations.
Berkshire shares were up 25% and 16% respectively the last two years and are up 5% so far this year.
Buffett did offer perhaps a small hint about stock valuations being a concern in the letter.
“We are impartial in our choice of equity vehicles, investing in either variety based upon where we can best deploy your (and my family’s) savings,” wrote Buffett. “Often, nothing looks compelling; very infrequently we find ourselves knee-deep in opportunities.”
Buffett's cash reserve is a fallacy. Based on BRK's market cap, the % cash on hand is well within norms of the past several decades.
 

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In Berkshire's recent 13F, the Oracle of Omaha made a tumultuous warning to Wall Street. Berkshire exited two exchange-traded funds (ETFs) that track the broader market: the SPDR S&P 500 ETF (NYSEMKT: SPY) and the Vanguard S&P 500 ETF (NYSEMKT: VOO).

Now, when someone sells a stock, it doesn't necessarily mean that company is in a bad place. Perhaps the insider needed the cash to make a large purchase. However, in this scenario, we know Berkshire doesn't need the cash given its massive stockpile. It couldn't be any more clear that Buffett and the team at Berkshire think the market is overvalued. Berkshire purchased both of these ETFs at the end of 2019, and this is the first time it changed either position in over five years.

Buffett doesn’t time the market, right.
 
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In Berkshire's recent 13F, the Oracle of Omaha made a tumultuous warning to Wall Street. Berkshire exited two exchange-traded funds (ETFs) that track the broader market: the SPDR S&P 500 ETF (NYSEMKT: SPY) and the Vanguard S&P 500 ETF (NYSEMKT: VOO).

Now, when someone sells a stock, it doesn't necessarily mean that company is in a bad place. Perhaps the insider needed the cash to make a large purchase. However, in this scenario, we know Berkshire doesn't need the cash given its massive stockpile. It couldn't be any more clear that Buffett and the team at Berkshire think the market is overvalued. Berkshire purchased both of these ETFs at the end of 2019, and this is the first time it changed either position in over five years.

Buffett doesn’t time the market, right.
Couple important facts for the discussion. While I own BRK.B in my custom stock basket, it has barely beat the VOO since the GFC. There are tons of funds and indexes that has whooped its ***. IIRC, the 13F is a snapshot of the last full quarter plus 45 days (i.e., trades can be as old as 135 days ago). So, Berkshire's selling of the SPY and VOO was clearly the wrong decision due to its ATH a few days ago. Berkshire has been pretty bearish over the past 2 years and got that wrong as well.

Also, it may be time to stop saying Buffett is doing this or that (mostly a comment on other posts). He is not making most of the investment decisions anymore. It seems very clear that Abel made the call to trim AAPL and reduce its allocation. Which I should point out, AAPL ripped to $250 after the selling. Very poor market timing, if that is what they tried to do. It will take a long time for them to dig out of that hole.
 
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Couple important facts for the discussion. While I own BRK.B in my custom stock basket, it has barely beat the VOO since the GFC. There are tons of funds and indexes that has whooped its ***. IIRC, the 13F is a snapshot of the last full quarter plus 45 days (i.e., trades can be as old as 135 days ago). So, Berkshire's selling of the SPY and VOO was clearly the wrong decision due to its ATH a few days ago. Berkshire has been pretty bearish over the past 2 years and got that wrong as well.

Also, it may be time to stop saying Buffett is doing this or that (mostly a comment on other posts). He is not making most of the investment decisions anymore. It seems very clear that Abel made the call to trim AAPL and reduce its allocation. Which I should point out, AAPL ripped to $250 after the selling. Very poor market timing, if that is what they tried to do. It will take a long time for them to dig out of that hole.
I don’t actual watch what Buffet does but he doesn’t just buy and hold. The fact that he is selling both ETF means he thinks there a dip coming in the market but he as well as everyone doesn’t exactly know when it’s going to happen. He can afford to wait 2-3 years unlike everyone else. Timing the market doesn’t mean moving 100% to cash or stock, it might be moving 15-40% of your assets to stocks or a safer investment. It all depends on your needs and tolerance. Some of the general rules of investments are for the general public who don’t invest the time that people on this board do and are generally less educated in investing.
 
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In Berkshire's recent 13F, the Oracle of Omaha made a tumultuous warning to Wall Street. Berkshire exited two exchange-traded funds (ETFs) that track the broader market: the SPDR S&P 500 ETF (NYSEMKT: SPY) and the Vanguard S&P 500 ETF (NYSEMKT: VOO).

Now, when someone sells a stock, it doesn't necessarily mean that company is in a bad place. Perhaps the insider needed the cash to make a large purchase. However, in this scenario, we know Berkshire doesn't need the cash given its massive stockpile. It couldn't be any more clear that Buffett and the team at Berkshire think the market is overvalued. Berkshire purchased both of these ETFs at the end of 2019, and this is the first time it changed either position in over five years.

Buffett doesn’t time the market, right.
It's all about timing, always, but.... different dynamics for institutional investors, holding companies (like BRK), mutual and exchange traded funds vs individual investors. Individuals are best served by long-duration (time in market) investment in broad indexes, mixing equities and bonds, at ratios dependent upon their age and amassed assets. Once the individual investor reaches or approaches retirement, things change. The ratio of stocks/bonds transitions along the way: 90/10, 80/20, 70/30, 60/40, 50/50, 40/60, 30/70, 20/80, 10/90. So making adjustments is SOP. If the equity market is at ATHs with lofty valuations and profit forecasts, and Treasuries (for example) are returning 5%, it is THE TIME to transition rebalance. Cast this as "market timing" if you must. But "buy and hold" really doesn't mean hold "forever."

BRK is parking its cash in short-term treasuries, getting 4.6% to 5% returns. No risk. WB has a "watch list" of equities and prospective companies to acquire. When the buying time/price is right, BRK will move.

Sidenote: if anyone believes he an equal or superior investor to the likes of WB, that individual is delusional.
 

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I don’t actual watch what Buffet does but he doesn’t just buy and hold. The fact that he is selling both ETF means he thinks there a dip coming in the market but he as well as everyone doesn’t exactly know when it’s going to happen. He can afford to wait 2-3 years unlike everyone else. Timing the market doesn’t mean moving 100% to cash or stock, it might be moving 15-40% of your assets to stocks or a safer investment. It all depends on your needs and tolerance. Some of the general rules of investments are for the general public who don’t invest the time that people on this board do and are generally less educated in investing.
No, not necessarily. They may have sold to buy more OXY or jump into another stock (which might have happened already and we won't know for another 3 months).

Sorry, gotta trust Buffett and Munger's own words. Don't try to time the market. Buy and hold until something with the stock changes.
 

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It's all about timing, always, but.... different dynamics for institutional investors, holding companies (like BRK), mutual and exchange traded funds vs individual investors. Individuals are best served by long-duration (time in market) investment in broad indexes, mixing equities and bonds, at ratios dependent upon their age and amassed assets. Once the individual investor reaches or approaches retirement, things change. The ratio of stocks/bonds transitions along the way: 90/10, 80/20, 70/30, 60/40, 50/50, 40/60, 30/70, 20/80, 10/90. So making adjustments is SOP. If the equity market is at ATHs with lofty valuations and profit forecasts, and Treasuries (for example) are returning 5%, it is THE TIME to transition rebalance. Cast this as "market timing" if you must. But "buy and hold" really doesn't mean hold "forever."

BRK is parking its cash in short-term treasuries, getting 4.6% to 5% returns. No risk. WB has a "watch list" of equitues and prospective companies to acquire. When the buying time/price is right, BRK will move.

Sidenote: if anyone believes he an equal or superior investor to the likes of WB, that individual is delusional.
Buffet was only able to make those great deal with the banks and government during the 2008 Great Recession because he had the cash on hand.
 

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Maybe he is raising cash for a large purchase...maybe buying Bloomberg

The move to cash is interesting though as he does believe there is a dip coming
 

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Sidenote: if anyone believes he an equal or superior investor to the likes of WB, that individual is delusional.
I certainly don't but Buffet is also not infallible.

Is he right here? Given he's going to make $15b in interest on all that cash, sure, but very few are in a similar situation.
 

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IMO the biggest takeaway from him is the “be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful,” ….everyone knows that quote but when the time comes and push comes to shove how many actually step in versus being paralyzed and scared.

He sits on tons of cash if he doesn’t see anything worthwhile to deploy it on.

I sit on cash in downturn or boom (decade of crap rates lol) regardless because it’s a security blanket for me. Regardless of the return, or lack thereof, it’s serving its purpose. With my conservative nature knowing that’s there both allows me to step in and catch some knives and have the resources to accumulate if necessary while doing it.

I’ve said here, it’s important to know your own psychology and risk tolerances. If you know your margins you can work within them, self awareness is important. Everyone is different.
Yet he sold Delta near the Covid lows.

Now we can justify that sale in that Delta was taking on tons of debt and he didn't want to own that debt with the uncertainty of Covid. and maybe he moved that money to something else that did quite well, but the stock is up somewhere around 150% since that point, if a decent chunk of that money was kept in cash, it was not a great trade. He was fearful and he sold.

But like now, for him, the risk may have not been worth the reward. He has hundreds of billions, it's more important to protect that money then to grow it.
 

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Never Short a Dull Market!
Common phrase, but what does this mean exactly? Great video.

 
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I was green early too.

But added a little to HOOD.

And keeping on with my RIVN trade i added there.
Missed on HOOD under $50 this morning. Will wait to see if it drop back below. Are you still holding SERV? Nice pullback for that one as well.

Looking at RIVN and PLTR for establishing positions. Let's see how the market closes.
 

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Missed on HOOD under $50 this morning. Will wait to see if it drop back below. Are you still holding SERV? Nice pullback for that one as well.

Looking at RIVN and PLTR for establishing positions. Let's see how the market closes.
Was never in on SERV, just an observer, I do own OUST which sells parts to SERV. And they've pulled back as well. I'm still in the green though, and not looking to add.

PLTR is still way too rich for my blood.

Just looking at todays charts, HOOD and RDDT fought back after being down early, PLTR did as well but gave it back and closed near it's lows. And was down further in extended.

RDDT had a nice little run into the close, closing only slightly in the red and slid only slightly in exted.. HOOD faded late and like PLTR was down another couple % points in after hours.

Does that suggest RDDT is closer to pulling out of this nose dive, and PLTR the furthest?
 
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Was never in on SERV, just an observer, I do own OUST which sells parts to SERV. And they've pulled back as well. I'm still in the green though, and not looking to add.

PLTR is still way too rich for my blood.

Just looking at todays charts, HOOD and RDDT fought back after being down early, PLTR did as well but gave it back and closed near it's lows. And was down further in extended.

RDDT had a nice little run into the close, closing only slightly in the red and slid only slightly in exted.. HOOD faded late and like PLTR was down another couple % points in after hours.

Does that suggest RDDT is closer to pulling out of this nose dive, and PLTR the furthest?
Good thoughts. I didn't buy anything today, but will be eyeing them closely tomorrow - PLTR, HOOD, and SERV. Also BBAI. That one is back below $6.

RDDT and HOOD had a lot of buyers come in today. Hmm, maybe I should try to get some HOOD before 8pm?

In other news, SHAK and ZETA had strong days.
 

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Good thoughts. I didn't buy anything today, but will be eyeing them closely tomorrow - PLTR, HOOD, and SERV. Also BBAI. That one is back below $6.

RDDT and HOOD had a lot of buyers come in today. Hmm, maybe I should try to get some HOOD before 8pm?

In other news, SHAK and ZETA had strong days.
I sold all SERV and took profits. If it drops further I may buy back in.
 
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MSFT, GOOG, CRM, and ORCL down 15% or higher from their high and AMZN down 13%. META down 10%. I’ll buy some today. I believe MSFT, GOOG, and CRM are the safest buy.
 
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MSFT, GOOG, CRM, and ORCL down 15% or higher from their high and AMZN down 13%. META down 10%. I’ll buy some today. I believe MSFT, GOOG, and CRM are the safest buy.
Keep an eye on NOW. They may be a bigger AI software winner than CRM. But honestly, can't go wrong with any of those names.
 

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BRK-B is booming. "Omaha! Omaha!"

This AI frenzy is very reminescent of the dot com era. But go ahead: party like it's 1999.
Love BRK.B. Doing very well with it over the past year or two.

FYI - comparing AI to the dot.com era is dumb as hell. Most companies leading the way with AI are making more money than ever in the history of the world. As compared to 1999/dot.com when 17 of the top 20 Nasdaq companies were unprofitable. Care to restate your position? :)
 

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Love BRK.B. Doing very well with it over the past year or two.

FYI - comparing AI to the dot.com era is dumb as hell. Most companies leading the way with AI are making more money than ever in the history of the world. As compared to 1999/dot.com when 17 of the top 20 Nasdaq companies were unprofitable. Care to restate your position? :)
Don't take offense. It's your money.
 
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BRK-B is booming. "Omaha! Omaha!"

This AI frenzy is very reminescent of the dot com era. But go ahead: party like it's 1999.
GOOG PE 23 MSFT PE 32 META PE 27 and I’m still cautious. Yes, some stocks on this board are speculating but I’m sure they are only putting in a small amount.

Added to AMZN, CRM, and GOOG. Just added META sold all before and now adding new position.
 
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GOOG PE 23 MSFT PE 32 META PE 27 and I’m still cautious. Yes, some stocks on this board are speculating but I’m sure they are only putting in a small amount.

Added to AMZN, CRM, and GOOG.
Be careful looking at PE’s when a lot of the money spent by these companies has been capitalized, not expensed. In many cases, capitalized costs end up being amortized quicker, or written down. If that happens, earnings could change quickly.
 

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Be careful looking at PE’s when a lot of the money spent by these companies has been capitalized, not expensed. In many cases, capitalized costs end up being amortized quicker, or written down. If that happens, earnings could change quickly.
My feelings is there’s one more time, when the Techs rise for the first quarter earnings, and then crashes when the earnings comes out. I’ll be out of Tech stocks by April or May. Tom Lee is still convinced buyers will come back into the market.

I don’t know exactly since I only track this in my head but most of the real crashes happen right around earning season especially when the tech stocks have announced. Currently, the 15-20% drop in tech stocks are normal for most quarters and go up again when earning comes out.
 
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My feelings is there’s one more time, when the Techs rise for the first quarter earnings, and then crashes when the earnings comes out. I’ll be out of Tech stocks by April or May. Tom Lee is still convinced buyers will come back into the market.

I don’t know exactly since I only track this in my head but most of the real crashes happen right around earning season especially when the tech stocks have announced. Currently, the 15-20% drop in tech stocks are normal for most quarters and go up again when earning comes out.
Q4 earnings have been outstanding. Highest ever and beating already high expectations by about 5%. Obviously, this is being led by big tech.

88% of S&P companies have already reported. NVDA tomorrow.

 

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Love BRK.B. Doing very well with it over the past year or two.

FYI - comparing AI to the dot.com era is dumb as hell. Most companies leading the way with AI are making more money than ever in the history of the world. As compared to 1999/dot.com when 17 of the top 20 Nasdaq companies were unprofitable. Care to restate your position? :)
Thought you said sales, revenues, margins don’t matter?
 

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GOOG PE 23 MSFT PE 32 META PE 27 and I’m still cautious. Yes, some stocks on this board are speculating but I’m sure they are only putting in a small amount.

Added to AMZN, CRM, and GOOG. Just added META sold all before and now adding new position.
All have bounced back from the lows. Maybe 15% is as low as they get which is normal for most quarters.
 

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All have bounced back from the lows. Maybe 15% is as low as they get which is normal for most quarters.
So, buy before earnings are announced and sell immediately after the press conference. Isn't that your mantra? Guaranteed profits for all investors! Pretty simplistic and not proven by backcasting. But carry on. 15% to 20% drop normal for most quarters? What are you inhaling?
 

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So, buy before earnings are announced and sell immediately after the press conference. Isn't that your mantra? Guaranteed profits for all investors! Pretty simplistic and not proven by backcasting. But carry on. 15% to 20% drop normal for most quarters? What are you inhaling?
Sell before earnings and buy when it drop 15% after the earning normally before the next earning season. It works generally. Been doing it for the last couple of years since the last time you were on this board.
 

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Sounds great but not supported by the data. I think you are confusing buy the rumor sell the news which is entirely different. Half the time stocks go up post earnings call and half the time they go down. If it were otherwise, investors would cause this arbitrage to disappear. But whatever floats your boat. I'm sure you'll be all cash when the market crashes.