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RU05

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It damn well better! My SLB calls went from up 10% or down 30% in a blink of an eye. LOL.

Check out TEM if you are looking for an interesting AI play. I will post more about it later. AI being applied to the HC market.
13x price to rev's, big growth over last year, but that slows down to good growth looking fwd.

Already expecting to be cash flow positive this year. And eps positive by 2027.

Only public for a year, but the stock has already had some big pops.....only to come back down to earth. Might be now showing signs of building some sustainable momentum.

I'm interested.
 
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13x price to rev's, big growth over last year, but that slows down to good growth looking fwd.

Already expecting to be cash flow positive this year. And eps positive by 2027.

Only public for a year, but the stock has already had some big pops.....only to come back down to earth. Might be now showing signs of building some sustainable momentum.

I'm interested.
Yeah, it topped out at $90, so the current $60 doesn't seem to be a bad entry point. Buy a little and add as appropriate.

AI-generated report from Seeking Alpha:

Company Description​

Tempus AI, Inc., headquartered in Chicago, Illinois, operates as a healthcare technology company that was incorporated in 2015. The company provides next-generation sequencing diagnostics, polymerase chain reaction profiling, molecular genotyping, and other pathology testing services. It is primarily focused on AI-driven precision medicine, aiming to enhance diagnostics accuracy and personalization through the integration of artificial intelligence. Tempus AI's Platform offers a suite of products and services, including Genomics, Data and Services, and AI Applications, designed for healthcare providers, pharmaceutical companies, and researchers.

The company has established a large library of clinical and molecular data, which it uses to provide data-driven insights for treatment decisions. Tempus AI's Genomics product line offers diagnostic testing services, while its Data and Services line facilitates drug discovery and development through de-identified data licensing and clinical trial matching. The AI Applications line focuses on developing diagnostics that utilize algorithmic approaches to enhance patient care.

Tempus AI has formed strategic collaborations with major pharmaceutical companies, including AstraZeneca and Personalis, to advance therapeutic programs in oncology. The company was formerly known as Tempus Labs, Inc. and changed its name to Tempus AI, Inc. in January 2023.

Competitors and Unique Value​

Tempus AI faces competition from several companies in the genomic and AI-driven healthcare space. Its main competitors include:
Tempus AI's unique value lies in its comprehensive data platform that integrates multimodal healthcare data, including genomic, molecular, and clinical information, to generate AI-driven insights for precision medicine. This integrated approach allows Tempus AI to provide personalized diagnostics and treatment recommendations, thereby enhancing patient outcomes. The company's extensive partnerships and collaborations further strengthen its position in the healthcare data and analytics sector, offering a competitive edge through its ability to deliver data-driven solutions at scale.

Seeking Alpha Quant Rating Explanation​

TEM is rated Hold. The stock exhibits a mixed landscape across valuation, growth, momentum, profitability, and revisions, leading to a neutral outlook.

Valuation
D
Growth
B-
Profitability
B
Momentum
A
Revisions
D+

Sector Metrics Comparative Analysis:​

  • Valuation: TEM presents a challenging valuation landscape. Its Price to Book ratio of 38 is vastly higher than the sector median of 3, reflecting a very expensive stock. These stretched valuations suggest the stock might be overpriced compared to its peers.
  • Growth: Growth metrics are extraordinarily robust with Year-over-Year (YoY) Revenue Growth of 43%, incredibly above the sector of 7%, and Working Capital Growth at 316%, significantly outperforming the sector. This phenomenal growth trajectory highlights TEM's successful expansion and increasing financial performance.
  • Profitability: TEM's profitability is mixed. While the Asset Turnover Ratio of 0.8 is 81% higher than the sector, indicating efficient use of assets, the negative Net Income Margin of -88% is far below the sector's -2%, reflecting substantial profitability challenges.
  • Momentum: TEM's momentum is exceptionally strong, with a one-year price performance of 52%, significantly above the sector's -17%. This indicates a bullish sentiment and strong investor confidence in the company’s future prospects.
  • Revisions: Recent trends in earnings estimates are mixed, with 2 upward EPS revisions and 5 downward in the past three months, alongside 10 upward and 1 downward revenue revisions. This suggests cautious optimism about TEM's revenue potential but concerns about earnings.
In summary, while TEM showcases impressive growth and strong momentum, its valuation is substantially overvalued compared to its peers, and profitability challenges remain. Given these factors, TEM is rated Hold, reflecting a balanced perspective on its potential performance against sector peers.

Positives raised by analysts on Seeking Alpha​

  • Tempus AI's strategic acquisition of Ambry Genetics has significantly boosted its hereditary testing capabilities, leading to impressive revenue growth and expanding its data assets, which strengthens its position in the AI healthcare market.
  • The company's partnership with AstraZeneca to develop a multimodal foundation model in oncology underscores its strong position and potential for long-term growth in the healthcare AI sector.
  • Tempus AI's financial performance is robust, with a 75% year-over-year revenue increase, driven by strong sales across its product lines, and expectations to become EBITDA positive by the end of 2025.

Concerns raised by analysts on Seeking Alpha​

  • Tempus AI's high valuation poses a risk, as its stock is priced for perfection, leaving little room for error, especially given the company's ongoing cash burn and lack of profitability.
  • Despite rapid growth, Tempus AI's reliance on recent acquisitions like Ambry Genetics for revenue expansion raises concerns about potential slowdowns in organic growth once acquisition effects are lapped.
  • The company's substantial leverage and premium valuation multiples make it a high-risk investment, suitable only for speculative investors with a long-term, risk-tolerant outlook.
 

Postman_1

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This was pretty accurate in years past


 

RU05

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Top 10 AI stocks, plus some honorable mentions. Basis is primarily price to sales & sales growth.

TEM is on there. SOUN in the honorable mentions.

Though I think he is off with his SYM price to sales.
 

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Top 10 AI stocks, plus some honorable mentions. Basis is primarily price to sales & sales growth.

TEM is on there. SOUN in the honorable mentions.

Though I think he is off with his SYM price to sales.

Yeah, I really like SOUN as well. Very pricey, but its technology could have a crazy number of uses! I should just start buying both (get a foot in the door).
 
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Top 10 AI stocks, plus some honorable mentions. Basis is primarily price to sales & sales growth.

TEM is on there. SOUN in the honorable mentions.

Though I think he is off with his SYM price to sales.

I just watched this and was intrigued by SYM. It was $29 in the video. I look it up and see its at $54 now. Wow
I hate buying after something pumps this hard. Probably best to wait?
 

RU05

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I just watched this and was intrigued by SYM. It was $29 in the video. I look it up and see its at $54 now. Wow
I hate buying after something pumps this hard. Probably best to wait?
Ya and this puts it just below it's ATH's from 2023. so likely resistance here.

And as I mention, he's wrong on his price to rev's. It's 15x not 1.5x. Which isn't terribly expensive, but not 1.5x cheap either.

Definitely not something I'd be buying tomorrow, but if it get's back into the $30's(50% retracement of it's move off the bottom) then that looks very interesting.

Really at sub 10x price to rev's that's probably a great time to jump in.
 
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Yeah, it topped out at $90, so the current $60 doesn't seem to be a bad entry point. Buy a little and add as appropriate.

AI-generated report from Seeking Alpha:

Company Description​

Tempus AI, Inc., headquartered in Chicago, Illinois, operates as a healthcare technology company that was incorporated in 2015. The company provides next-generation sequencing diagnostics, polymerase chain reaction profiling, molecular genotyping, and other pathology testing services. It is primarily focused on AI-driven precision medicine, aiming to enhance diagnostics accuracy and personalization through the integration of artificial intelligence. Tempus AI's Platform offers a suite of products and services, including Genomics, Data and Services, and AI Applications, designed for healthcare providers, pharmaceutical companies, and researchers.

The company has established a large library of clinical and molecular data, which it uses to provide data-driven insights for treatment decisions. Tempus AI's Genomics product line offers diagnostic testing services, while its Data and Services line facilitates drug discovery and development through de-identified data licensing and clinical trial matching. The AI Applications line focuses on developing diagnostics that utilize algorithmic approaches to enhance patient care.

Tempus AI has formed strategic collaborations with major pharmaceutical companies, including AstraZeneca and Personalis, to advance therapeutic programs in oncology. The company was formerly known as Tempus Labs, Inc. and changed its name to Tempus AI, Inc. in January 2023.

Competitors and Unique Value​

Tempus AI faces competition from several companies in the genomic and AI-driven healthcare space. Its main competitors include:
Tempus AI's unique value lies in its comprehensive data platform that integrates multimodal healthcare data, including genomic, molecular, and clinical information, to generate AI-driven insights for precision medicine. This integrated approach allows Tempus AI to provide personalized diagnostics and treatment recommendations, thereby enhancing patient outcomes. The company's extensive partnerships and collaborations further strengthen its position in the healthcare data and analytics sector, offering a competitive edge through its ability to deliver data-driven solutions at scale.

Seeking Alpha Quant Rating Explanation​

TEM is rated Hold. The stock exhibits a mixed landscape across valuation, growth, momentum, profitability, and revisions, leading to a neutral outlook.

Valuation
D
Growth
B-
Profitability
B
Momentum
A
Revisions
D+

Sector Metrics Comparative Analysis:​

  • Valuation: TEM presents a challenging valuation landscape. Its Price to Book ratio of 38 is vastly higher than the sector median of 3, reflecting a very expensive stock. These stretched valuations suggest the stock might be overpriced compared to its peers.
  • Growth: Growth metrics are extraordinarily robust with Year-over-Year (YoY) Revenue Growth of 43%, incredibly above the sector of 7%, and Working Capital Growth at 316%, significantly outperforming the sector. This phenomenal growth trajectory highlights TEM's successful expansion and increasing financial performance.
  • Profitability: TEM's profitability is mixed. While the Asset Turnover Ratio of 0.8 is 81% higher than the sector, indicating efficient use of assets, the negative Net Income Margin of -88% is far below the sector's -2%, reflecting substantial profitability challenges.
  • Momentum: TEM's momentum is exceptionally strong, with a one-year price performance of 52%, significantly above the sector's -17%. This indicates a bullish sentiment and strong investor confidence in the company’s future prospects.
  • Revisions: Recent trends in earnings estimates are mixed, with 2 upward EPS revisions and 5 downward in the past three months, alongside 10 upward and 1 downward revenue revisions. This suggests cautious optimism about TEM's revenue potential but concerns about earnings.
In summary, while TEM showcases impressive growth and strong momentum, its valuation is substantially overvalued compared to its peers, and profitability challenges remain. Given these factors, TEM is rated Hold, reflecting a balanced perspective on its potential performance against sector peers.

Positives raised by analysts on Seeking Alpha​

  • Tempus AI's strategic acquisition of Ambry Genetics has significantly boosted its hereditary testing capabilities, leading to impressive revenue growth and expanding its data assets, which strengthens its position in the AI healthcare market.
  • The company's partnership with AstraZeneca to develop a multimodal foundation model in oncology underscores its strong position and potential for long-term growth in the healthcare AI sector.
  • Tempus AI's financial performance is robust, with a 75% year-over-year revenue increase, driven by strong sales across its product lines, and expectations to become EBITDA positive by the end of 2025.

Concerns raised by analysts on Seeking Alpha​

  • Tempus AI's high valuation poses a risk, as its stock is priced for perfection, leaving little room for error, especially given the company's ongoing cash burn and lack of profitability.
  • Despite rapid growth, Tempus AI's reliance on recent acquisitions like Ambry Genetics for revenue expansion raises concerns about potential slowdowns in organic growth once acquisition effects are lapped.
  • The company's substantial leverage and premium valuation multiples make it a high-risk investment, suitable only for speculative investors with a long-term, risk-tolerant outlook.
Lukewarm reading.

It sites it's price to book as being expensive, I never really look at this as a metric, I know some look for sub 3x to find value, so 38x is definitely way higher then that.

I should delve further into why price to book is considered important, but isn't a high ratio here pointing to an asset light company? And isn't that a good thing?
 

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It damn well better! My SLB calls went from up 10% or down 30% in a blink of an eye. LOL.

Check out TEM if you are looking for an interesting AI play. I will post more about it later. AI being applied to the HC market.
TEM is one of the top 10 holdings in ARKK.
 

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Closed my GLD contracts and moved the profit to ETH Perps (which were just launched by COIN, along with BTC Perps)! No need to roll monthly contracts anymore. Let's see where alt-season takes us. Tom Lee is saying ETH to $15K. @Rutgers Chris - that must mean SOL to $1K. :)
 
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SYM down another couple percent early. Below $50.

Looking at the chart there was a ton of red volume in 2024 and early this year. The green volume on this run up is still way below those levels. Profit taking here but the real sellers are mostly out I think.

Probably a good spot to start a position and look to add if it continues downward.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Any reason why on the fade? I was up a percent early. Closed slightly in the red
I was trying to figure it out and didn’t find a smoking fun. But there was chatter about Trump and Powell and Bessent said that the Fed structure needs to be reevaluated. Maybe that?
 
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Closed my GLD contracts and moved the profit to ETH Perps (which were just launched by COIN, along with BTC Perps)! No need to roll monthly contracts anymore. Let's see where alt-season takes us. Tom Lee is saying ETH to $15K. @Rutgers Chris - that must mean SOL to $1K. :)
So ETH would have a 2.5T market cap? Where would that put BTC?
I’d be good with this as I would like to see crypto keep ripping with couple hundred thousand invested minor across BTC.
 
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And today I was down 1% early but now im green…..yet the vix is still low?

one of my big flyers, OUST down near 10%. I see SOUN down a bunch too. So maybe a cool down from the extra hot stocks.
 
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And today I was down 1% early but now im green…..yet the vix is still low?

one of my big flyers, OUST down near 10%. I see SOUN down a bunch too. So maybe a cool down from the extra hot stocks.
Maybe it’s a good time to start building a SOUN position?
 

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So ETH would have a 2.5T market cap? Where would that put BTC?
I’d be good with this as I would like to see crypto keep ripping with couple hundred thousand invested minor across BTC.
BTC should be approaching half a million by then. Maybe a little under, so $400k’ish.
 
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Crypto all time highs, indices at ath, golf buddy telling me about penny stocks, and now short squeezes showing back up in the news . The signs are building up….
 
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Housing related stocks, including mortgage and realtors, popped on Trump talk about removing capital gains taxes on housing.

This sounds so taco but i think these stocks want to go higher as we inch closer to rate cuts.
 
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Hope you all bought Chatham’s very own TNXP.

it has a blockbuster fibromyalgia approval pending in August. 🚀
 

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GEV going apesh*t:

GE Vernova Lifts Outlook As Revenue And Orders Surge

Shares of GE Vernova Inc. (GEV) rose Wednesday after the company posted better-than-expected second-quarter 2025 earnings and raised its full-year guidance.

The energy transition company reported second-quarter earnings per share of $1.86, beating the consensus estimate of $1.69.

Revenue came in at $9.11 billion, exceeding Wall Street’s expectations of $8.78 billion. That marks an 11% increase from a year ago and 12% on an organic basis, driven by continued strength in both equipment and services.

Net income for the quarter was $492 million, with a net margin of 5.4% down 1020 bps. Adjusted EBITDA rose to $770 million, with an Adj. EBITDA margin of 8.5%, up from 6.4% a year ago.

Operating cash flow totaled $367 million, down from $978 million YoY, while free cash flow was $194 million for the quarter. The company ended the quarter with $7.9 billion in cash.

“We had a productive second quarter, positioning us well to accelerate growth and margin expansion,” said CEO Scott Strazik. “We grew our backlog by more than $5 billion and increased Gas Power slot reservation agreements from 50 to 55 gigawatts.”

GE Vernova’s backlog rose by $5.2 billion during the quarter, fueled by gains in equipment and service contracts. Gas Power equipment backlog remained at 29 gigawatts, while slot reservation agreements increased to 25 gigawatts. The company also received final investment approval from the Ontario government to build the first small modular reactor (SMR) in the Western world.

Segment Highlights

Power:
  • Orders: $7.088 billion, +44% organically.
  • Revenue: $4.758 billion, up 7% year-over-year, 9% organically.
  • Segment EBITDA margin expanded by 260 basis points to 16.4%.
  • Signed 9 GW in new gas equipment contracts, including 7 GW in slot reservations.
Wind:
  • Orders: Down 5% organically to $2.06 billion.
  • Revenue: $2.245 billion, up 9% from a year ago, driven by Onshore Wind deliveries.
  • Segment losses increased due to Offshore Wind tariffs and service costs, partly offset by higher Onshore equipment volume.
  • Invested over $100 million in its 57,000-unit turbine fleet.
Electrification:
  • Orders: $3.34 billion, down 31% organically.
  • Revenue: $2.2 billion, up 23%, led by Grid Solutions.
  • Segment EBITDA margin improved by 740 basis points to 14.6%.
  • Equipment backlog grew sequentially by $2 billion across North America, Europe, and Asia.
GE Vernova (GEV) repurchased 1.2 million shares during the quarter and has bought back 5.2 million shares year-to-date through June 30 at an average price of $306.

The Board declared a 25-cent per share dividend, payable August 18 to shareholders of record as of July 21.

Updated 2025 Outlook

GE Vernova (GEV) raised its 2025 guidance, expecting revenue to trend toward the higher end of its $36 billion to $37 billion range versus $36.952 billion estimate. The company also lifted its adjusted EBITDA margin forecast to 8% to 9%, up from high-single-digit estimates. It also increased its free cash flow guidance from $3.0 billion to $3.5 billion, from the prior $2.0 billion to $2.5 billion range.

Segment guidance includes:
  • Power: 6%-7% organic revenue growth and 14%-15% EBITDA margin.
  • Wind: Mid-single-digit organic revenue decline with $200 million-$400 million in segment losses, trending toward the lower end.
  • Electrification: ~20% organic revenue growth and 13%-15% EBITDA margin.
GE Vernova (GEV) said its guidance includes the impact of tariffs and inflation, now estimated toward the lower end of $300 million to $400 million, net of mitigation.

CFO Ken Parks said the company is trending toward the higher end of its targets. “We’re delivering disciplined revenue growth, margin expansion and positive free cash flow while returning capital to shareholders and maintaining a solid balance sheet,” Parks said.