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T2Kplus20

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If you were buying and holding with your mutual funds DCA, you wouldn’t be posting on this board because it wouldn’t make any sense. I noticed in the last two years, you started buying the big techs I was recommending for the last 3-4 years.
Most of our buying is in our E-Trade brokerage account with our disposable income. 8 ETFs. For the past few months, we have doubled purchasing, put in two matured CDs, and most of my annual bonuses. Bought some long hold stocks for fun, but that only represents a modest allocation of our portfolio. Definitely enjoying my leveraged ETFs! I prefer market/sector plays over stocks.

Just keeping buying and it will pay off again just like in 2008 and 2020!
#experiencematters
 

phs73rc77gsm83

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If you were buying and holding with your mutual funds DCA, you wouldn’t be posting on this board because it wouldn’t make any sense. I noticed in the last two years, you started buying the big techs I was recommending for the last 3-4 years.

That question about the Arkk fund was for you. I guess you’re still in them unless you tried to time them.
I’m essentially a buy and hold investor at this stage of my life (retired). That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t post on this thread. It’s about stocks and investing, not just “trading,” In my opinion, that includes various strategies that include both trading and general financial planning. I think the board benefits from various points of view.
 
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rurahrah000

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You would have made more if you just bought it. Also, you can do the SQQQ for an inverse 3x.
No. If the futures hold up, TQQQ wil be down more than 5% and my options will more than triple in value. I will potentially triple my $35,000 investment in under 24 hours. I could have gone SQQQ route as well. Buying TQQQ outright would potentially result in 5% loss of value, not 3x gain.
 
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T2Kplus20

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I’m essentially a buy and hold investor at this stage of my life (retired). That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t post on this thread. It’s about stocks and investing, not just “trading,” In my opinion, that includes various strategies that include both trading and general financial planning. I think the board benefits from various points of view.
Truth. Buy and hold is the best way to build wealth!
 

T2Kplus20

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No. If the futures hold up, TQQQ wil be down more than 5% and my options will more than triple in value. I will potentially triple my $35,000 investment in under 24 hours. I could have gone SQQQ route as well. Buying TQQQ outright would potentially result in 5% loss of value, not 3x gain.
Okay, I’m going to need a road map for that math! Not an options guy. :)
 

Jtung230

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People are buying up Tesla now after Musk sells 8.5 billion. But I think he has to sell another 2-4 billion to raise the equity for Twitter purchase.
 

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People are buying up Tesla now after Musk sells 8.5 billion. But I think he has to sell another 2-4 billion to raise the equity for Twitter purchase.
Apparently Musk tweeted that he has no more sales of Tesla stock planned after yesterday. But I suppose plans can change if conditions warrant it.
 

T2Kplus20

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Apparently Musk tweeted that he has no more sales of Tesla stock planned after yesterday. But I suppose plans can change if conditions warrant it.
Yeah, I see TSLA is up. Too many emotional investors around these days. Fun to watch!
 

Jtung230

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Apparently Musk tweeted that he has no more sales of Tesla stock planned after yesterday. But I suppose plans can change if conditions warrant it.
Just not sure if it’s enough after taxes money for the equity he needs. We all know Musk is full of **** when it comes to his tweets.
 

rurahrah000

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No. If the futures hold up, TQQQ wil be down more than 5% and my options will more than triple in value. I will potentially triple my $35,000 investment in under 24 hours. I could have gone SQQQ route as well. Buying TQQQ outright would potentially result in 5% loss of value, not 3x gain.
Closed the option for $2.80. 4x profit in 24 hours. Let's keep the party going.
 

RUschool

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Just got back into amzn minutes ago at 2,489, after selling at 3,190 on 2/4………. But don’t try to time the market.
I think AMZN will be 300-500 lower Than current low when earnings come out, maybe 2,200-2,400.

brought 2 share GOOG after earnings but expect to buy more At $2,000.
It will reach 2,200. Buy in increment to DCA. When it settles down, the worst case scenario is it goes back to old lows 2,700-3,100.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Closed the option for $2.80. 4x profit in 24 hours. Let's keep the party going.
Bought more of my leveraged plays across the board. Will do the same with my E-Trade account before the close.

Days like these are beautiful! Enjoy everyone!

FYI - you still owe us the math on your options trade.
 

T2Kplus20

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Not timing the market. Just enjoying the volatility
Likely a big rally coming once the Fed drops the 0.5% increase (to the relief of scared investors). Plan accordingly! S&P oscillator shows the market is extremely oversold.....same level as in mid-March.
 
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rurahrah000

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Bought more of my leveraged plays across the board. Will do the same with my E-Trade account before the close.

Days like these are beautiful! Enjoy everyone!

FYI - you still owe us the math on your options trade.
The math is simple. I bought 500 put options yesterday for $0.70 for a cost of $35,000 and closed out my position today for $2.73 for a total of $136,500. $136,500/35,000 = 3.9. So I almost quadrupled my money in 1 day. Total profit is $136,500-35,000 = $101,500.

Now, I did leave money on the table with the stock market accelerating downward at close and if I had waited until the very end of the day, I could have closed those options for $4.90 for a total of $245,000 and gain of $210,000 (245,000-35,000). Such is life.
 
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RUinPinehurst

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Thoughts on the S&P's bottom number? We likely still have a way to go. Valuations remain high. 3000 by July? Go ahead. Take a shot.

Shiller PE ratio for the S&P 500...
Current: 32.53 -1.22 (-3.63%)
4:00 PM EDT, Fri Apr 29

Mean:16.94
Median:15.87
Min:4.78(Dec 1920)
Max:44.19(Dec 1999)

PE ratio for the S&P 500...
Current: 20.88 -0.79 (-3.63%)
4:00 PM EDT, Fri Apr 29

Mean:15.97
Median:14.89
Min:5.31(Dec 1917)
Max:123.73(May 2009)
 

rurahrah000

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Likely a big rally coming once the Fed drops the 0.5% increase (to the relief of scared investors). Plan accordingly! S&P oscillator shows the market is extremely oversold.....same level as in mid-March.
Maybe... like I have said before, I never sell my core assets in any downturn. In face I move them to a vanguard account. Vanguard makes it hard for you to easily view your daily gain and losses in terms of actual dollars. This is great because it reduces the chance of panic selling.
 
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rurahrah000

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Bought more of my leveraged plays across the board. Will do the same with my E-Trade account before the close.

Days like these are beautiful! Enjoy everyone!

FYI - you still owe us the math on your options trade.

Now you owe us details on the transactions of your leveraged trades. You should tell us the name of the equity, date of purchase(s), price of purchase and amount invested. You should also clarify what you mean by “big buying day”. Is a “big buying day” equal $10 or $100 or $1,000 or $10,000 or $100,000 etc.
 
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T2Kplus20

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Maybe... like I have said before, I never sell my core assets in any downturn. In face I move them to a vanguard account. Vanguard makes it hard for you to easily view your daily gain and losses in terms of actual dollars. This is great because it reduces the chance of panic selling.
+1
Vanguard is a great company! I don't have an account with them directly, but I probably should. Our biggest account, by a wide margin, is T Rowe where we have 7 of their funds. I have it linked to my Morningstar portfolio manager and Mint.com, but only look at it every week or two.
 

T2Kplus20

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The math is simple. I bought 500 put options yesterday for $0.70 for a cost of $35,000 and closed out my position today for $2.73 for a total of $136,500. $136,500/35,000 = 3.9. So I almost quadrupled my money in 1 day. Total profit is $136,500-35,000 = $101,500.

Now, I did leave money on the table with the stock market accelerating downward at close and if I had waited until the very end of the day, I could have closed those options for $4.90 for a total of $245,000 and gain of $210,000 (245,000-35,000). Such is life.
I admit, still don't understand, but I'm fascinated about leverage and playing with it in my fun account.
 

T2Kplus20

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Now you owe us details on the transactions of your leveraged trades. You should tell us the name of the equity, date of purchase(s), price of purchase and amount invested.
I will pass along an update on this later tonight. I replied to you a week or two ago, but after a round of buying, my CBs are lower.
 
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The math is simple. I bought 500 put options yesterday for $0.70 for a cost of $35,000 and closed out my position today for $2.73 for a total of $136,500. $136,500/35,000 = 3.9. So I almost quadrupled my money in 1 day. Total profit is $136,500-35,000 = $101,500.

Now, I did leave money on the table with the stock market accelerating downward at close and if I had waited until the very end of the day, I could have closed those options for $4.90 for a total of $245,000 and gain of $210,000 (245,000-35,000). Such is life.
Be responsible and share your expiry date, real risk, etc. Folk should not play this type of game unless you have a very large portfolio and can easily absorb/offset a $35k loss in a few days.
 

rurahrah000

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As I wait for my wife to come home with the kids from basketball practice, I am watching CNBC which I rarely do. Amazing that what they are saying things that make sense. I know Bonawayn well and he just said something that is so true. Of course I agree with him because we both feel the same way. In this period of high volatility, options are the way to play until the market settles down and then use that money to buy long term investments.
 
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I admit, still don't understand, but I'm fascinated about leverage and playing with it in my fun account.
Let me put it to you this way. It’s like watching someone make $100k playing poker on TV. You get excited. You watch some YouTube videos and reads the best poker book available. Then you sit at a table with some players and ask for $10k in chips. You’ll make some friends at that table very quickly.
 
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rurahrah000

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Be responsible and share your expiry date, real risk, etc. Folk should not play this type of game unless you have a very large portfolio and can easily absorb/offset a $35k loss in a few days.
Sorry that I excluded those details in the most recent post, but that information was included when I initially posted about the trade yesterday. The expiration was today and I bought the option very cheap yesterday on a big up day with the anticipation that the market would not respond well to AAPL and AMZN earnings.
 

rurahrah000

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So, I bought 500 put options around the close of the day of TQQQ at $0.70 expiring tomorrow at a strike price of $41 on a hunch that AAPL and AMZN results may not be received well by the market. Looks like I will be closing my position tomorrow for a profit. I love volatility in the market.

FYI, in the past month there has been a new ETF (UVIX) which is a 2x volatility whereas UVXY is a 1.5x volatility. UVIX is new so options are not as robust, but this would be an even more fun and profitable way to play volatility. Warning, treating these types of securities is really deep end of the pool material.
@Goo
 
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Sorry that I excluded those details in the most recent post, but that information was included when I initially posted about the trade yesterday. The expiration was today and I bought the option very cheap yesterday on a big up day with the anticipation that the market would not respond well to AAPL and AMZN earnings.
All good. Just want to make sure folk understand your risk ($35K loss / one day).