That concludes today’s public service announcement from The Oracle.
Trolls, slappies (?), Brands critics, the weak, and all other miscellaneous louts need only reply with gratitude.
Our program
- Thread starter WEH8ST8HAWK
- Start date
Trolls, slappies (?), Brands critics, the weak, and all other miscellaneous louts need only reply with gratitude.
Someone that pays attention. Well done, good sir!That concludes today’s public service announcement from The Oracle.
Trolls, slappies (?), Brands critics, the weak, and all other miscellaneous louts need only reply with gratitude.
Id be okay with Dake if he can get a longtime head coach as his assistant to help show him the ropes for a year or two before that said person retires. Like a Barry Davis or Zelesky type. Dake has the pedigree and is a household name so combine with Iowa brand name- can recruit anyone nationally. Also one would think Iowa would have a better foothold in NY, NJ area and could keep it steady in PA.
I mean hypothetically a staff like...
Dake,
Strittmater,
Jayden Cox
Cory Clark
or
Dake,
Ramos
Kem
Paris
Let Spencer take over the HWC if he choose to. Probably could bring Vito in
Also what if Yaini wanted to come with?
Bo Nickol went up in weight and kept winning.
For his whole career he was referred to as "noodle arms".
That doesn't seem to be a nickname that fits someone that is juicing.
This analysis envisions all scenarios. If you replace Tom and Terry, I would first choose Schwab or Kolat and a staff they build....might include a Strittmatter, a Kerk, a McG, or a JBO, replace Terry and maybe Tom grabs Spencer or Kem to round out his staff....If they replace Mstar, Dennis and/or Telford, have at anyone on the list
Different personality (considering IA) , a NYer, jumped to NLWC, still training I believe and might not have the work ethic and selflessness to , not a fan of Iowa for starters (like Askren), no experience with coaching or running a club.....doesn't have the pizzazz or
You miss spelled Bo Nicole.
I’d put Ono in as a transfer. He doesn’t have have all his eligibility.
What about Brady Berge graduating, taking a coaching position, then transferring back to PSU for one semester?
This is a BAD example IF you are trying to defend F*** st!?!?!?! Yes he went up, yes he had noodle arms, yet he did not have a HP issue??? Hmmmm???? You might be very surprised what PEDs can do!!!! I would bet the FARM he was on some heavy SHEEeeetttt!!!!
MessySmitty and the LeviJeans kid are taking something TWOOOOO!!! You caqn see it in their faces/eyes. Might be that "prescribed" drug that Babblin was taking????
If messenbrink is on steroids he should get better steroids. That kid is scrawny as hell lmao
This is such an uneducated argument that gets used way too often. Tons of ped’s do so many beneficial things for the body other than create a bodybuilder’s physique. I have no idea if more guys are using than those that have been caught, but this type of “deflection” only works on those that have no clue what performance enhancing drugs actually do…
If they were using, they would have been busted by now. You think the NCAA doesn't test the living crap out of that program?
I agree. In high school he was clearly better than everyone he wrestled. Jimmy Waters from back in that era was an absolute monster also.
You're correct, as someone who has never used PEDs I do not know what they do. You bring a valid point here. I dismissed this as "steroids" ala barry bonds and BALCO. The concept of PEDs encompasses many other things, as PSUs own Aaron brooks showed. When you're right you're right, and when you're wrong you're wrong. I was wrong in how I responded. All of that said : Messenbrink strikes me as a guy who has a legit prescription for Adderall. Lol
I responded to MSU. He was correct, I oversimplified what PEDs are. That's on me....Also, it's harder than you'd think to find weight class recruiting rankings going back a decade. Was much easier doing the P4P stuff but damnit, I'll keep hunting.
Go back and find a single post where I have said PSU is flat out cheating. You won’t find one. Even that post said I have no idea if anyone other than who has been caught has done anything wrong.
But, I will say they have pioneered the “grey” areas from the onset. The way they have used their RTC is simply something Iowa has never been able to do. It doesn’t mean they have cheated. It just meant they were willing to bend the rules as much as they could get away with and Iowa never wavered from a very straight line.
Is that because the Brands simply wouldn’t or Iowa had people above them thst wouldn’t let them. The answer to that question almost certainly explains why both programs are where they are now…
It will all be over for them once Ruth and Taylor graduate
has now become
It will all be over for them once Lilledahl, Desmond, Blaze, Ono, Davis, Van Ness, Duke, Sealy, James, Mesenbrink, Henckel, Haines, Cunningham, Barr and the Mirasola's graduate
Last edited:
Please identify those who have been caught and what specifically they were caught for. Thanks in advance.
Being a fan of a team is now a requirement to be the next coach? Cael wasn't a PSU fan and Gable has said he didn't like Iowa. I have no idea about DT but I never heard any cowpoke fandom come out of his mouth during interviews. When Askren and Dake are critical of Iowa it is because they see an outdated style of coaching holding what should be a dominant program back. It may not always be comfortable but it is what they believe. I wouldn't demand fandom as a search criteria. The head coach needs to be able to recruit and raise money as job one and job two. The assistant coaches need to be able to develop wrestlers. You certainly need someone on staff really good with compliance and business savvy.
Gable cheated with the in state /out of state scholly situation and that was a black and white issue. There was nothing grey about it. Why isn't that brought up more around here? Perhaps Brands is the best Coach of all time but he is held back because he refuses to cheat. I would make a change on that alone.
I don't think you really proved a point there. Drake made the finals twice, and is a .500 wrestler this year. Peterson is on loan, and you mention a '27 recruiting class. I mean, I guess you could revisit the argument in a few years after seeing how they pan out. That was actually a really dumb take. The argument was valid. You didn't state one instance that looked like a clear benefit from those guys. Peterson is a 5th year senior at 125. I would expect solid results from that fact alone. Drake has had 5 years with those guys. He looks the same as he did 3 years ago. You tried to make dude look dumb from his post, and made yourself look like an idiot in the process.
Drake didn’t AA his first run at NCAA’s did he? So, the improvement is SUBSTANTIAL no matter how you try to twist your PSU flappy viewpoint. As far as this year goes, he does kind of have a history of a bit of coasting during the regular season and then turning it on in March. We will see then. Still, if he even did regress this year after making the Finals 2 years in a row there is no way that would be on Spencer or Austin.
As far as Peterson goes, he has never AA’d. If you don’t think his being in the Iowa room with those guys has helped him, you are every bit the slappy your agenda driven post shows you are.
Still, let the hate flow through you. I live off of your type of response. Never change!
MSU, what is funny? You said that you aren't sure about who's doing what at PSU except "those" who have been caught with PED's. "Those" means plural. Who are "those"?
This is the first time in a long time that I can remember Iowa has little to no chance of winning a dual meet.
It's a feeling I do not like.
THAT to me is a telltale sign we may need to go a different direction.
It's a feeling I do not like.
THAT to me is a telltale sign we may need to go a different direction.
I don't think Drake has regressed but probably stagnated in technical skills which is where Iowa as a team is lacking. You seldom see a guy who wasn't a top pinner coming in develop those skills during his career. I don't think it is true in every situation but just a trend. I think we see guys evolve from neutral fairly often at Iowa but seldom in the top position. Real Woods did improve from the top, and so had Mickey so it does happen. Maybe it is matter of which skills are emphasized in the room.
Im not a PSU guy, and you are 100% delusional. I have eyes. You stated Drake didn't AA his first run. Fair point. Drake may very well fail to AA this year. Thats disappointing. He could start and finish his NCAA career off the box. Are you good with calling that a success? You pointed out that Peterson beat a returning finalist from last year. So by your reasoning beating a returning finalist shows how much he has benefitted from being in the room, but BEING a returning finalist with 4 losses has nothing to do with with that very same room. Gotcha. Makes sense to me.
When Iowa state, Oklahoma State, Nebraska, Ohio state, Virginia Tech and Cornell beat the Hawkeyes on a regular basis in the next 5 years, the excuses why will be epic reading
The fact you were so defensive over the PSU program on this particular topic is what I found funny. If you read CLOSER, you would see my post wasn't PSU centric in the slightest. It was about the misnomer regarding performance enhancing drugs HAVING TO create bodybuilder physiques to even begin to believe someone MAY be using them. If you pay attention, I mess with PSU FANS hard, but not the program itself. "Those" is an all inclusive term. Why so defensive? Do you have a real reason to be?
LMFAO. You just moved the goal posts completely off the field. The POINT, where you called me an idiot(LMFAO), was whether or not the guys around Lee's and Austin's weights BENEFITTED from having them to roll around with. Only a complete SIMPLETON or someone with an AGENDA would argue they haven't.
Also, you have NO IDEA what is going on with Ayala right now. But, we can be absolutely certain he hasn't regressed because he has been wrestling with Lee and Austin and they are making him worse.
Honestly, go back and look at the post you started this back and forth with and read my post again. Out of all the things you could choose to argue with me against, this is honestly the worst take I have ever had some "confidently" come at me with...
Last edited:
I gotta defend MSU here, he never mentioned PSU in relation to getting popped for PEDs, but it's funny that that's right where your mind went
My sons in his third year of running track/cross country at a division 1 program and has never been tested once, in fact he said only one athlete one time has been tested. The Iowa State CC team was popped for PED only because someone ratted them out, would you have guessed cross country kids were using PED's based on their appearance.
I don't know how often testing actually occurs or how long stuff remains in the system. If the CC team won 12 of the last 14 championships, I would expect a pretty rigorous testing schedule. The NCAA is much bigger than single programs and have way too much to lose if a huge scandal were to develop. We saw what the did for gambling. I would imagine PED use would get the same attention.
What agenda? I posted on the old board, and this one because I love talking wrestling. This topic just gets to me a bit. For several reasons. While it isn't Spencer or Austin's job to make sure the lightweights are jumping levels, I thought it would be a by product, and was looking forward to seeing it. There are a few individual Hawkeyes I really wanted to see succeed. Drake is one of them. Maybe I was expecting too much. 2024 had Drake in the finals of the NCAA tournament, and Spencer taking Olympic silver. I thought that was a recipe for success. Maybe you're right on moving the goalpost. I was just expecting more. You mentioned Drake coasting. I don't think he looks like he's coasting, I think he looks lost. From a 5th year senior, thats alarming.
As far as hate flowing thru me, what are you even talking about?!?!?! Dude, pump the brakes a bit. You're some rando on a message board. You're not that important lol. Its fun to banter. That is all. No hate here. I appreciate your passion, and enjoy the conversation.
A history of coasting in the regular season?!? He was 15-1 and ranked #1 going into B1Gs last year. That's coasting?!? The previous season he was 19-3 heading into the B1Gs, so this year, he already has as many regular season losses (4) as the previous two seasons combined, and he has Blaze, Van Dee, Davino, and Jax still coming up, so he could have as many as 7 or 8 regular season losses heading into B1Gs this year. That looks like big time regression to me, not typical "coasting".
He called you an idiot because you are one. LOL.