Over the next few weeks, keep your eyes on the Middle East

cyclotiger

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What or who is providing ground intel? Do we have actors on the ground? Or is the US relying on “local” assets? Israeli intel?

Not doubting the information just curious on how it is been collected, for example cell phones but no bodies.
I'm taking that phones but no bodies as they know they are just a step ahead of the intel. By leaving their phones, it makes the tracker think they are still present at that location when they have actually left those burner phones behind.
 

P. Marlowe

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I'm taking that phones but no bodies as they know they are just a step ahead of the intel. By leaving their phones, it makes the tracker think they are still present at that location when they have actually left those burner phones behind.

Based on where they’re being found - buildings destroyed by air strikes - they’re trying to buy time by making it look like they were killed in an airstrike. That’s harder to confirm because it takes time to verify - a lot of time in certain cases. I can figure out if someone living disposes of a phone I’m tracking in a random location pretty quickly. I can’t when the remnants of a building have to be removed to verify whether or not there is a dead body among the rubble. By disposing of the phone in a place like that, I then have to wait for some other piece of intel - physical or electronic to determine whether that person is alive. If a target is smart they can probably buy 24ish hours in an environment like Iran right now if their goal is to run. If they’re really smart they can buy more than that.
 

SDTiger9

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Truth hurts and people can’t take it. I’ll never try to defend against something that’s truthful just because I don’t like it.

This thread has been great and I’m enjoying it but it is odd how many people’s first thought is “yeah but”.

Thanks for those updating ITT with great info, regardless if I like how it sounds or not.
I’m trying to get people to realize we don’t have a political problem. We have a psychology and lack of choice problem.

Most blue or red people fit a dominant profile. They are very loyal to organizations as it’s perceived as a “safe space” and many are a part of this community. It doesn’t require thinking. Just parroting talking points as a form of the Sharks vs Jets mentality.

Blue folks love bureaucracy, process, institutions. It’s allegedly a stable infrastructure. Which makes all of these ripe for abuse from litigation, false research, additional taxpayer money to support these efforts.

Red folks love independence from govt but are loyal to corporations, religious orgs, assets. It’s a form of protection being in these circles that gives credibility, power and a perception that I’m covered by faith no matter what I’m doing.

Then there’s true independents who view these fundamental flaws. Most are driven by problem solving. We don’t view Lowe’s or Home Depot as separate entities. They are a resource to solve a problem which one or both will help solve.

Dont give a 💩 what campaign BLM, Target, Bud Light, Defund the Police or Trump’s successes is doing.
Why? Because whatever ideology they press upon the public, it never remains and always comes up short.
Why? Because they are exclusive by design. They aren’t sustainable.

People want a fair exchange of commerce and GENERAL fairness. Imagine Ryan Reynolds Mint Mobile campaign has an LBGTQ mobile plan. It’ll never happen. Why? Because equal rights already exists and he isn’t a stupid human. Targeting select groups is bigoted in nature and that’s why we reject them. Even Chick Fil A experienced this about 10-15 years ago. You wanna operate as a Christian oriented company? Great!! Nobody gives a 💩!!! Make a quality product and leave religion out of it. You will draw people in to your org by your consistent behavior, not your press releases. And maybe grab a few Christian converts along the way.

Same as the political parties. They are the opposite of inclusive. They espouse hate and limit their reach to solve US issues. Allegedly the TWO organizations to run the greatest country in the world and they self admit they HATE US CITIZENS.

I feel bad for party people. It’s got to be soul
crushing or they just don’t have a soul at all. Deep down they want something constructive but the US government is captured by 2 mafias won’t allow it to happen.

Trump was a sub par answer to the right question. He pulls some good levers but then throws up all over himself. He’s too captured by donor money and personal wealth. We are a functioning oligarchy with grace at this point.
 

BigPapaWhit

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Yes. The US, the UK, Russia, Jordan, France, Egypt, Israel - among others - all have people on the ground. Yes. Those people on the ground have local contacts and actual assets they’re actively running. And some of those people on the ground are assets being run by other people on the ground.
Doh. Once again, poorly framed my question. I deserve that response. My question should have been, "what is the source intel on the cell phones?" But asking that would probably warrant one of several responses:

1. How they hell would I know?
2. You are not cleared for that!
3. Need to know and you do not have a need to know!
4. Piss off!

I am sure there are plenty of other more creative answers.

It's has been a long few weeks and I'm running out of steam.
 
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P. Marlowe

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Doh. Once again, poorly framed my question. I deserve that response. My question should have been, "what is the source intel on the cell phones?" But asking that would probably warrant one of several responses:

1. How they hell would I know?
2. You are not cleared for that!
3. Need to know and you do not have a need to know!
4. Piss off!

I am sure there are plenty of other more creative answers.

It's has been a long few weeks and I'm running out of steam.

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MisterWorst

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31st MEU from Japan (i believe Okinawa), is the one heading to the middle east. ~2500 marines
MEU takes a beachhead on Kharg and the 82nd goes in to occupy, perhaps? The two units combine give you a 6-7000 strong force that would have sufficient SHORAD in theory to hold off the inevitable drone swarms. Counterpoint is I don't think the island has actually been bombed yet, the IRGC has made it the most defended single point in Iran and keeps an elite unit stationed there, and you're within artillery distance of mainland Iran.

Aegis can probably keep the island defended from the ballistic missile threat, but not sure how able the MEU would be to get close enough given the suicide fast attack craft and mines in the area. If the US starts bombing the island I guess we'll know our answer.
 

MisterWorst

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Just saw someone say it was now 5K moving that way? Assume 2 different MSU's?
Depends on if they pick up an extra infantry company or aviation group. If they bring an extra destroyer or something that can also add to the force just through the navy personnel needed to man the ship. Really it comes down to how soon did the MEU get ready'd up and what their mission winds up being. Could be they have extra F35Bs/Vipers/Opreys, could be they brought more amphibious assault forces.
 
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I’m trying to get people to realize we don’t have a political problem. We have a psychology and lack of choice problem.

Most blue or red people fit a dominant profile. They are very loyal to organizations as it’s perceived as a “safe space” and many are a part of this community. It doesn’t require thinking. Just parroting talking points as a form of the Sharks vs Jets mentality.

Blue folks love bureaucracy, process, institutions. It’s allegedly a stable infrastructure. Which makes all of these ripe for abuse from litigation, false research, additional taxpayer money to support these efforts.

Red folks love independence from govt but are loyal to corporations, religious orgs, assets. It’s a form of protection being in these circles that gives credibility, power and a perception that I’m covered by faith no matter what I’m doing.

Then there’s true independents who view these fundamental flaws. Most are driven by problem solving. We don’t view Lowe’s or Home Depot as separate entities. They are a resource to solve a problem which one or both will help solve.

Dont give a 💩 what campaign BLM, Target, Bud Light, Defund the Police or Trump’s successes is doing.
Why? Because whatever ideology they press upon the public, it never remains and always comes up short.
Why? Because they are exclusive by design. They aren’t sustainable.

People want a fair exchange of commerce and GENERAL fairness. Imagine Ryan Reynolds Mint Mobile campaign has an LBGTQ mobile plan. It’ll never happen. Why? Because equal rights already exists and he isn’t a stupid human. Targeting select groups is bigoted in nature and that’s why we reject them. Even Chick Fil A experienced this about 10-15 years ago. You wanna operate as a Christian oriented company? Great!! Nobody gives a 💩!!! Make a quality product and leave religion out of it. You will draw people in to your org by your consistent behavior, not your press releases. And maybe grab a few Christian converts along the way.

Same as the political parties. They are the opposite of inclusive. They espouse hate and limit their reach to solve US issues. Allegedly the TWO organizations to run the greatest country in the world and they self admit they HATE US CITIZENS.

I feel bad for party people. It’s got to be soul
crushing or they just don’t have a soul at all. Deep down they want something constructive but the US government is captured by 2 mafias won’t allow it to happen.

Trump was a sub par answer to the right question. He pulls some good levers but then throws up all over himself. He’s too captured by donor money and personal wealth. We are a functioning oligarchy with grace at this point.
Saluting American GIF
 
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cctiger94

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Read what I said again. I said exactly your statement. I’m belittling the Left and Right in my first statement. Why? It’s because the TRUTH or OBNOXIOUS FABRICATIONS do, Left or Right is irrelevant. Each participates in TRUTH AND LIES. They are both aholes to me because they don’t operate in good faith 100% of the time. They latch onto truth when it benefits them and lie when it doesn’t.

(Left or Right never take over threads.
Either the truth or obnoxious fabrication aholes do.)
Small edit SD
 
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MBRO

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MEU takes a beachhead on Kharg and the 82nd goes in to occupy, perhaps? The two units combine give you a 6-7000 strong force that would have sufficient SHORAD in theory to hold off the inevitable drone swarms. Counterpoint is I don't think the island has actually been bombed yet, the IRGC has made it the most defended single point in Iran and keeps an elite unit stationed there, and you're within artillery distance of mainland Iran.

Aegis can probably keep the island defended from the ballistic missile threat, but not sure how able the MEU would be to get close enough given the suicide fast attack craft and mines in the area. If the US starts bombing the island I guess we'll know our answer.
Whelp, sounds like it’s been bombed now. Trump said “it was one of the most powerful bombing raids in the history of the Middle East” and that we “totally obliterated every military target”.
 

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I’m trying to get people to realize we don’t have a political problem. We have a psychology and lack of choice problem.

Most blue or red people fit a dominant profile. They are very loyal to organizations as it’s perceived as a “safe space” and many are a part of this community. It doesn’t require thinking. Just parroting talking points as a form of the Sharks vs Jets mentality.

Blue folks love bureaucracy, process, institutions. It’s allegedly a stable infrastructure. Which makes all of these ripe for abuse from litigation, false research, additional taxpayer money to support these efforts.

Red folks love independence from govt but are loyal to corporations, religious orgs, assets. It’s a form of protection being in these circles that gives credibility, power and a perception that I’m covered by faith no matter what I’m doing.

Then there’s true independents who view these fundamental flaws. Most are driven by problem solving. We don’t view Lowe’s or Home Depot as separate entities. They are a resource to solve a problem which one or both will help solve.

Dont give a 💩 what campaign BLM, Target, Bud Light, Defund the Police or Trump’s successes is doing.
Why? Because whatever ideology they press upon the public, it never remains and always comes up short.
Why? Because they are exclusive by design. They aren’t sustainable.

People want a fair exchange of commerce and GENERAL fairness. Imagine Ryan Reynolds Mint Mobile campaign has an LBGTQ mobile plan. It’ll never happen. Why? Because equal rights already exists and he isn’t a stupid human. Targeting select groups is bigoted in nature and that’s why we reject them. Even Chick Fil A experienced this about 10-15 years ago. You wanna operate as a Christian oriented company? Great!! Nobody gives a 💩!!! Make a quality product and leave religion out of it. You will draw people in to your org by your consistent behavior, not your press releases. And maybe grab a few Christian converts along the way.

Same as the political parties. They are the opposite of inclusive. They espouse hate and limit their reach to solve US issues. Allegedly the TWO organizations to run the greatest country in the world and they self admit they HATE US CITIZENS.

I feel bad for party people. It’s got to be soul
crushing or they just don’t have a soul at all. Deep down they want something constructive but the US government is captured by 2 mafias won’t allow it to happen.

Trump was a sub par answer to the right question. He pulls some good levers but then throws up all over himself. He’s too captured by donor money and personal wealth. We are a functioning oligarchy with grace at this point.
Rarely have I read something so nonsensically wrong about everything.
 

P. Marlowe

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Rarely have I read something so nonsensically wrong about everything.

It’s his thing. I think he’s convinced himself he’s smart with this above the fray, incoherent, pseudo-intellectual bullsħit that he occasionally shoehorns into a thread where it doesn’t even really fit. It could also just be mental health issues.
 
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Whelp, sounds like it’s been bombed now. Trump said “it was one of the most powerful bombing raids in the history of the Middle East” and that we “totally obliterated every military target”.
I assume in the coming days that totally obliterated will take on a different meaning than what I think it means.

I couldn’t resist.

if we take this island I assume we are chocking off an income stream for the government of Iran. How long would it take for that to trickle down and cause some issues?
 
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I assume in the coming days that totally obliterated will take on a different meaning than what I think it means.

I couldn’t resist.

if we take this island I assume we are chocking off an income stream for the government of Iran. How long would it take for that to trickle down and cause some issues?
More than likely.

Trump on 07/21/2025 - “Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.”

Hegseth on 07/22/2025 - “Thanks to President Trump’s bold and visionary leadership and his commitment to peace through strength, Iran’s nuclear ambitions have been obliterated.”
 

kidmike41

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What exactly would make it a success in your mind?
If the people of Iran were actively rising up would be very nice. If we destroyed their nuclear capabilities for real. Those are the big ones.

Hell I would be ok with a bombing campaign if it didn’t threaten a global recession. I would prefer nothing, but ya know I am tired of recessions and pandemics having started my career in 2006. Also would be nice if somebody else was paying for it.
 
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seems like things must be going well now that FCC stooge is threatening to pull licenses if Dear Leader doesn't like the news coverage. kind of the opposite of what our forefathers intended with the First Amendment but hey nbd right i mean it works in Russia and North Korea.

 

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seems like things must be going well now that FCC stooge is threatening to pull licenses if Dear Leader doesn't like the news coverage. kind of the opposite of what our forefathers intended with the First Amendment but hey nbd right i mean it works in Russia and North Korea.


Same stuff that Biden Admin did as well. I hate it and that both administrations is doing this is disgusting and dangerous. This tit for tat is bad for the American citizen
 
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seems like things must be going well now that FCC stooge is threatening to pull licenses if Dear Leader doesn't like the news coverage. kind of the opposite of what our forefathers intended with the First Amendment but hey nbd right i mean it works in Russia and North Korea.


Anyone ever read Solzhenitsyn?
 
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Raise All In

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Can someone please tell me we aren’t about to send 5,000 marines to their deaths on the Straight of Hormuz
 

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seems like things must be going well now that FCC stooge is threatening to pull licenses if Dear Leader doesn't like the news coverage. kind of the opposite of what our forefathers intended with the First Amendment but hey nbd right i mean it works in Russia and North Korea.



This is a very bad signal to me. We maybe actually losing this thing.
 

Dungeon09

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I think a lot of people are having a hard time grasping that we might be kicking their *** tactical but losing the war. Just look to Vietnam. We blew the hell out of them, but that place is Communist now.
Winning means achieving objectives while denying the enemy theirs.

What are our objectives here?
 
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tboonpickens

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Any of our plugged in folks hearing anything definitive about this "Netanyahu is dead" chatter that's all over social media?
 

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I need you to come back and give me some positive news. Right now this military operation is going about as well as the Clemson QB play in my mind.
No one here wants to hear that. They're too busy dealing with their TDS.

All is well. Iran's military is like snow on a sunny day.....it's slowly melting away. Thursday and Friday had some bad weather which slowed us some but the days of 100% sunshine are just around the corner.
 

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No one here wants to hear that. They're too busy dealing with their TDS.

All is well. Iran's military is like snow on a sunny day.....it's slowly melting away. Thursday and Friday had some bad weather which slowed us some but the days of 100% sunshine are just around the corner.
lol how? We gonna leave Israel by themselves? Are we really trying for regime change? That’s the only sunny day
 
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