In all honesty it was a gift amine didn't get DQ, he did literally nothing on bottom for last 45 seconds
Penn State - Michigan Dual Thread
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Nagao did some good things. Seemed much more aggressive from neutral. Was close to scoring a few times, including the SV sequence. Maybe a little sloppy but I liked the approach overall.
That is true. Speaking personally as a ref, and also speaking for a lot of conversations I've had with other refs, I know that refs really do not like to DQ a wrestler with multiple stalling calls. Angie can be somewhat inconsistent with his stall calls, but I didn't have an issue with him not DQing Amine. The better wrestler in the match won, and won comfortably.
My guess there is still a bug going around the psu wrestling room and every 4-5 days a new group of guys will get sick. Better now than in March.
Haines should have him figured out now. He’s hard to score on but if you can FINISH Hard Haines could major him at the Big ten tournament and Nationals coming up here.
I'm just seeing this now. (It gets pretty hectic doing PBP, and I don't have much time to read other posts.
The refs, when they are unsure about something (in college; not in HS) can decide on their own to review the tape. In the Truax match (which is what you were asking about), It was really close between being a TD and being OOB, and it wouldn't surprise me if the center ref and the assistant ref had different opinions. So the review was initiated by the refs, and it is independent of the challenge status of either team.
Just getting to watch now.
big thoughts:
- if Amine was healthy, he should be ashamed of the performance he put in. Mesenbrink is a stud but Amine looked like he had zero interest or ability.
- Bear claws!!! What a treat. Put in a great performance. Love that guy.
- Kerk is on a new level and I just love it. Guy can do it all.
- Davis is fun as hell to watch. So nice to not lose 125 matches.
- Nagao got caught. Sucks but it happens. Was a fun match overall.
We’re on to Sparty!!
big thoughts:
- if Amine was healthy, he should be ashamed of the performance he put in. Mesenbrink is a stud but Amine looked like he had zero interest or ability.
- Bear claws!!! What a treat. Put in a great performance. Love that guy.
- Kerk is on a new level and I just love it. Guy can do it all.
- Davis is fun as hell to watch. So nice to not lose 125 matches.
- Nagao got caught. Sucks but it happens. Was a fun match overall.
We’re on to Sparty!!
We see what you did there
In the future, feel free to ratchet it down to BC.
Props to the home match timer. He tried.
When we go off-season, I would be interested in learning about the process of becoming a referee and how they evaluate your performance to get higher profile matches as you progress. Thanks for your consideration.
So, it wan't just me that noticed something going on with his mouth. I thought I was mistaken and it was just a mouthguard. So, @Tom McAndrew is chewing gum allowed in a match?
I almost felt sorry for the guy Aaron Brooks punished. But since he had a Michigan uniform, screw ‘em!
Watching dvr of the match now. Pat Kraft seems to be a really big fan. Fun to watch him. Sorry if already posted. Couldn’t watch last night
There is no hiding the fact that AD Kraft loves PSU wrestling. Man-to his credit-does he get excited. Nice to see that.
I froze the screen during this match and called my wife over to look at the contrast in looks. She said it’s baby face vs. the lumberjack.
My daughter said it looks like a son and dad wrestling.
The wife said it looked like an Uncle at a family reunion trying to prove to the teenagers he still had it
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I don't think many refs need to worry about DQ'ing because most of them rarely even call a kid 3 times in a match for stalling. My bias when I was officiating was towards action and risk-taking. If 1 kid took 3 legitimate shots without the other initiating a shot (so disregard counter-scrambling), on the 4th shot I was warning the other kid. If the non-warned wrestler kept it up and continued to initiate the action by taking 2 more, on the third additional attempt the warned kid was getting banged again. This mental set of rules was constantly running in my head regardless of the score or the time left in the match. This way I was consistent in application. I was also very clear with team in my pre-meet on stalling. 2 things were emphasized: 1) if you wrestle on the edge you will hear me yell center. If you continue to stay on the edge, expect to be called for stalling and 2) if all you want to do is score TDs off counters, fine, but expect to get called for stalling. If you hear me yell action that's your clue that one of you is on the verge of getting called for stalling. BOTH need to initiate/take-risks. Every REF is/was different.
Tom, my counter point on not DQ'ing is the "what if" and "according to plan". There are plenty of times, where a coach tells an over-matched kid to avoid bonus points for the sake of the team score. Not that it mattered last night (but it was only match #2 and you never know what can happen) but PSU should have earned 6 instead of just 4. I officiated plenty of matches during my career where the team score was close, and those extra 2 bonus points would be the difference maker. PLUS, one thing that separate wrestling from most sports is the principle of domination. Mess should have been rewarded for his relentless pursuit of a retreating Amine and Amine's complete lack of effort to try and improve his position. I would have happily DQ'd Amine for his pathetic performance and reward Mess for all his effort and risk-taking.
He should have been DQ in a lot of matches. Talking about 157 and Amine at 165. Takes fans screaming at them to call it many times….
My immediate thought was “Baby Face vs Caveman”! What a a great match!
While I presume Braedan is about 19… his face looks 12…his wrestling looks 24!
The bite which is what I thought had happened - why didn’t the ref seem to care? Surely biting isn’t a normal part of a match?
The last PSU guy who was bitten is about to win his fourth national championship. Amine is going to have trouble breathing his week because MM made sure his nose was in his ear with the second cross face.
Carter's comments are gold. For all the imports they have, Michigan's team is not amaizing.
I have seen comments in various places about Haines and Bartlett not looking great. They don't need to be great at the end of January. I suspect they are wrestling tired every match. They will be fine in March. Don't agree, save this post. Trust Cael & Co
I meant to comment about this after the dual. In general, the only time wrestlers show the forearm to the ref is when they feel they were bitten. It's a tough infraction for refs, as there are times when teeth marks in the forearm are just evidence of a good crossface across the mouth, and there are times when they are evidence of a wrestler biting the wrestler that shows you the forearm. The instruction that experienced refs pass along in terms of how to handle these situations is 1) make sure there are two sets of teeth marks (upper and lower) for biting calls, and 2) do your best to watch what happens in the mouth area when the top guy's forearm gets near the bottom guy's mouth.
I wasn't sure what happened in the Mesenbrink - Amine match that caused Mesenbrink to show the ref his forearm, but based on my experience, I was pretty sure that Mesenbrink was trying to show that he felt Amine had bit him.
I've stated many times over the years that still photos are not great for evaluating wrestling, as it's a dynamic sport, and you have to look at the big picture and the sequence to be able to evaluate things. That caveat still holds, for the below picture. I'd have to see if this was an incidental thing in the act of wrestling, or a deliberate action by Amine.
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What is the protocol when a wrestler complains about being bitten in his balls? Do you set up a privacy tent to check out his balls?
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