Lol, sure man, if that's what you have to convince yourself.Those facts slapped you right in the face didn’t they?Not even a rebuttal from you.
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Lol, sure man, if that's what you have to convince yourself.
I love that you’re surrendering after being smacked with cold hard facts..
Next time, leave the discussion to the people who know college basketball and the history of it.“I know those coaches have more wins, better win percentage, more conference championships, but but but do they have a championship game appearance?” Literally your argument!
I mean, absolutely, man! You have really feasted here by proving Beard made it further than 6 of the guys you listed.I love that you’re surrendering after being smacked with cold hard facts..
“I know those coaches have more wins, better win percentage, more conference championships, but but but do they have a championship game appearance?” Literally your argument!
You Are so right...a national Championship appearance is definitely worth a lot less than losing in a F4. What a dumbass anyone is to think otherwise.
AP NCOY, what the hell is that even worth, right? 2X big 12 COY, get out of here with that weak ****. BIG 12 Champion? Meaningless. Sun Belt COY, meaningless, Lone STAR COY, just something they give to everyone.
2025 Jim Phelan award winner basically means he is trash.
You're so right, man. He's such a **** coach cause those accomplishments are nothing compared to losing in a F4.
Chris Beard top 10 coach
chatgpt.com
Damn, even the computers say he is top 10. Those must be dumbass computers!
So I found the mysterious video referenced and watched it start to finish. There goes 20 minutes of my life that I will never get back.
The shocker is I never found the part that was supposed to make me triggered. There is no talk of Kentucky, no talk of Mark Pope and I didn't even see Travis act like he is John Wall
What i saw was an Ole Miss Player speaking to an Ole Miss Podcaster about what he likes about Chris Beard and the Ole Miss Program. They talk a lot about Perry wining the High School State Championship and being the leading HS Scorer in Kentucky History
They don't even really talk about Kentucky or Pope.
Stay Triggered everyone!!!
The shocker is I never found the part that was supposed to make me triggered. There is no talk of Kentucky, no talk of Mark Pope and I didn't even see Travis act like he is John Wall
What i saw was an Ole Miss Player speaking to an Ole Miss Podcaster about what he likes about Chris Beard and the Ole Miss Program. They talk a lot about Perry wining the High School State Championship and being the leading HS Scorer in Kentucky History
They don't even really talk about Kentucky or Pope.
Stay Triggered everyone!!!
So I found the mysterious video referenced and watched it start to finish. There goes 20 minutes of my life that I will never get back.
The shocker is I never found the part that was supposed to make me triggered. There is no talk of Kentucky, no talk of Mark Pope and I didn't even see Travis act like he is John Wall
What i saw was an Ole Miss Player speaking to an Ole Miss Podcaster about what he likes about Chris Beard and the Ole Miss Program. They talk a lot about Perry wining the High School State Championship and being the leading HS Scorer in Kentucky History
They don't even really talk about Kentucky or Pope.
Stay Triggered everyone!!!
It's the way of America these days.
I mean, absolutely, man! You have really feasted here by proving Beard made it further than 6 of the guys you listed.
You Are so right...a national Championship appearance is definitely worth a lot less than losing in a F4. What a dumbass anyone is to think otherwise.
AP NCOY, what the hell is that even worth, right? 2X big 12 COY, get out of here with that weak ****. BIG 12 Champion? Meaningless. Sun Belt COY, meaningless, Lone STAR COY, just something they give to everyone.
2025 Jim Phelan award winner basically means he is trash.
You're so right, man. He's such a **** coach cause those accomplishments are nothing compared to losing in a F4.
Bro said Sunbelt COY..
Now he said ChatGPT said so too!!! This is absolutely hilarious and should go down as one of the worse takes in On3 short history, you were already the laughing stock on rafters, now you’re making that same thing happen over here. You were proved wrong and now fighting to stay afloat. These coaches have won more conference championships in better conferences.. I’ve throughly enjoyed making you look like the 
that you are. It’s been a pleasure! 
I don't care what he did, but playing at UK pays off in many ways. Now you don't get it, and I don't care. Yes, being famous across an entire state matters to many people and always has. Why do you think so many men stay here, or come back here, and talk about how special it is? You obvoously don't understand it very well, but you can speak to many former athletes including the head coach who have and will tell you playing here and making a name here pays of in ways you won't get anywhere else. Yes, people lik being famous which they usually are here years down the road. Our boosters do a great job taking care of college basktball players and you get it knowhere else when you consider the full package. I was invovled in what was done for Oscar which was incredible and he wouldn't have been given any of that situation anywhere else. So you don't know what you're taking about.
I don't have any idea nor do I care about all of this other stuff you're talking about. Couldn't care less that you don't get it. Travis seems to me to be a guy that walks to his own beat and probably isn't as good as he thinks he is which is typical of coaches kids. I think it's a mistake in the long run but he is too young to get those apsets right now. They obviously believe leaving UK was the better play for him and that's fine. I have no issue, maybe in the long run it was specifically for him but not for most. I would bet, just my opinion, that he looks back like many do and sees how UK guys are recognized and remain famous and wishes he was a part of that. This will especially happen if he bounces around and ends up having a regular career; almost assuredly will in that case. It's at that point that being a former UK player is their only claim to fame. He will get no play at ole Miss, nobody in the state knows his name and never will for the most part. Boosters and influential men there care very little. I'm personally connected to a very influential booster at Ole Miss and well known family in Oxford. Basketball is not on their radar. I also know players personally that picked away from UK and regret it year later. I could get into this for hours. I've spoken to Tony Delk about this and he's discussed it at length, as has Wayne turner, and many others. Delk has said specifically that he was going to Arkansas and changed his mind near the last second and cited the program and how they recognize him years later as one of the reasons he's happy he made that choice. Beard won't be at Ole MIss until retirement anyway, and will probably be gone after this season or next. So Perry is about to turn into a journeyman without a home likely, which is something that if it happens will be regretful later as well.
Beard is a killer coach and I think that played a role, I think he and his dad love Beard and always have. Beard is the type of guy I'd want my son to play for also. So I get it. But some of us personally know some ins and outs when it comes to this and I've spoken to many players who back this up, also many people associated who will back it up including the head coach of this university. So you might not care about being remembered and recognized for your lifetime, but most athletes absolutely do. Mark Pope will and has agreed to much of what I'm saying here also, so if you don't get it then it's ot for you but you're in the minority in life. It doesn't matter to me anyway because as I said before the season started Noah is the better one anyway. Noah is the one we don't need to lose and Mark knows that as well. Perry is not even what I'd call average except in shooting. He's not all that good. I like him and he comes from a good family, he's really smart and I think will end up serviceable for a program like Western but not in the SEC. And after that he will probably regret not just staying. But I'm getting off the topic it's useless to me, his choice doesn't mean much to me personally, I've always been team Noah. It's not even a close call how much better of a player Noah is.
Perry is a really smart and good person he will do well in anything he does. He's one of those unique kids that has it without the years it takes. But that doesn't mean arrogance doesn't come with that especially for an athlete and coaches son.
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"Worse take"Bro said Sunbelt COY..
Conference championships are why they are better. Screw the national championship appearances.
And screw that computer analytics and AI assessment. It's rigged.
1 was retired and 5 hadn't even been as far. Great list!You asked for 10 and I gave you 15 because I’m just good like that..
"Worse take"
Conference championships are why they are better. Screw the national championship appearances.
And screw that computer analytics and AI assessment. It's rigged.
The National title that he pissed away because of his incompetent coaching??? Oh yeah, makes him better even tho he’s behind them in conference championships, wins, win percentage, but dang it he made a championship game..
That one championship appearance, 6 years ago trumps everything..
1 was retired and 5 hadn't even been as far. Great list!
They all have a final four, just like Beard. His appearance doesn’t trump everything else like you’re portraying.
He has been coaching since 1995 and already have guys who were toddlers in 1995 already have better accomplishments than him.Where’s Ole Miss in the rankings this upcoming season??? Asking for myself!
It trumps anyone who hasn't made it that far.The National title that he pissed away because of his incompetent coaching??? Oh yeah, makes him better even tho he’s behind them in conference championships, wins, win percentage, but dang it he made a championship game..
Is a F4 or NC making it farther? This isn't a hard concept for any with a functioning brain cell.
You realize Beard has won 2 conference tournaments and a regular season conference tournament. Also 2× big 12 COY, AP COY, 2025 Jim Phelan COY award winner. Sun Belt COY and Lone STAR COY.
How many on your list have any of those accolades? I'll wait!
A NC is further than a F4, though, so he's more accomplished than all of them.They all have a final four, just like Beard. His appearance doesn’t trump everything else like you’re portraying.
Where’s Ole Miss in the rankings this upcoming season??? Asking for myself!
Lol, he's been a college HC since 2012. He wrnt D1 in 2015. LULZ.
I don't think pre-season rankings are out yet. But funny you asked that....because last year in his 2nd year as HC, Ole Miss was #24 in the preaseason, which is only their 2nd time in school history of being ranked in the preseason.
It trumps anyone who hasn't made it that far.
Is a F4 or NC making it farther? This isn't a hard concept for any with a functioning brain cell.
You realize Beard has won 2 conference tournaments and a regular season conference tournament. Also 2× big 12 COY, AP COY, 2025 Jim Phelan COY award winner. Sun Belt COY and Lone STAR COY.
How many on your list have any of those accolades? I'll wait!
They all have won multiple conference championships that are better conferences than the Sun Belt and Lone Star conferences. Plus they either have the same amount of final fours or more. If you were educated, you’d know that.
I’m not listing 15 coaches resumes, if you want to be on my level of knowledge, you’ll look it up. If not, you’ll continue to look like a moron in front of everyone.
A NC is further than a F4, though, so he's more accomplished than all of them.
Lol, he's been a college HC since 2012. He wrnt D1 in 2015. LULZ.
I don't think pre-season rankings are out yet. But funny you asked that....because last year in his 2nd year as HC, Ole Miss was #24 in the preaseason, which is only their 2nd time in school history of being ranked in the preseason.
It’s a final four, call it what it is.
Rankings are out, on multiple platforms, but again you’re too uneducated to know that. I’ll let you in on a little secret, he’s not on any of them. Oats has won big at Bama, which is a football school, Pearl has won big at Auburn, which is a football school, but you still talking about him not being able to win at Ole Miss because it’s a football school. You’re wrong, I’m right, and I absolutely love how foolish I’ve made you look the past couple days. Tickles me to death!
I’ve never met a UK fan that’s this uneducated about college basketball, so I’m going to guess you’re a fan of UL. Only they can be this delusional.
Conference championships were the requirements. Now it only matters if it's certain conferences? Talk about moving goalposts.They all have won multiple conference championships that are better conferences than the Sun Belt and Lone Star conferences. Plus they either have the same amount of final fours or more. If you were educated, you’d know that.
I’m not listing 15 coaches resumes, if you want to be on my level of knowledge, you’ll look it up. If not, you’ll continue to look like a moron in front of everyone.
Yet, last I checked, a NC game is a lot higher and farther than a conference championship.. Correct?
And a NC game is further than a F4, correct?
So certainly sounds like by your own criteria Beard as been farther in a more prominent tournament than any of those 5 you listed, and Bennett is retired, so that means non-active.
So, math dictates you only listed 9 coaches.
If you really knew what you were talking about, it wouldn't be that hard to list out.
Lol, a F4 is as far as a NC game? Pretty sure you have to win the F4 game to get to a championship game, correct?It’s a final four, call it what it is.
You’re wrong, I’m right, and I absolutely love how foolish I’ve made you look the past couple days. Tickles me to death!
I’ve never met a UK fan that’s this uneducated about college basketball, so I’m going to guess you’re a fan of UL. Only they can be this delusional.
Lol, wasn't Beard just in the sw16 in his 2nd year at Ole Miss? Oats did the same at Bama and Pearl didn't even make the tournament his first 3 years at Auburn, then only made it to the 2nd round his 4th year.
Some basketball mind you got there.
And wasn't Texas Tech a football school, as are Texas and Ole Miss.
Foolish, how so? Most of the people who haven't blocked you are literally laughing at you.
Lol, does UL even have fans left?
I don't think he meant for it to be a "it's this way at Kentucky..." When you talk about how things are other places, people naturally hear "It was this way somewhere I've been in the past." He has zero credibility on how things are at any other college.
But at around 13:00, maybe a few seconds before: He says something to the effect of, I really like how this group values winning. At "a lot of places" guys have agendas and care about their shots or their stats or moving up to the next level.
Well, at the college level, Travis has only been to and experienced one place. Someone's going to say he's speaking in generalizations and towards all of college basketball. And that's maybe fair.
But it's also fair to look at his life experiences when he speaks on something. He's only experienced Kentucky. It's reasonable to conclude that perhaps he's saying some of that went on at Kentucky.
But at around 13:00, maybe a few seconds before: He says something to the effect of, I really like how this group values winning. At "a lot of places" guys have agendas and care about their shots or their stats or moving up to the next level.
Well, at the college level, Travis has only been to and experienced one place. Someone's going to say he's speaking in generalizations and towards all of college basketball. And that's maybe fair.
But it's also fair to look at his life experiences when he speaks on something. He's only experienced Kentucky. It's reasonable to conclude that perhaps he's saying some of that went on at Kentucky.
Brandon Stockton sells cars. A couple of guys work at Toyota, this set for life narrative is one of these set for life narratives is one of the many false ones going around here.
Conference championships were the requirements. Now it only matters if it's certain conferences? Talk about moving goalposts.
Yet, last I checked, a NC game is a lot higher and farther than a conference championship.. Correct?
And a NC game is further than a F4, correct?
So certainly sounds like by your own criteria Beard as been farther in a more prominent tournament than any of those 5 you listed, and Bennett is retired, so that means non-active.
So, math dictates you only listed 9 coaches.
If you really knew what you were talking about, it wouldn't be that hard to list out.
Yes, what conference they win in matters..
Is this even a real argument?? Reading comprehension is everything. Those coaches made a final four or multiple final fours, while winning better conference championships, while alsobhaving a better win percentage. At football schools. This is like trying to teach a toddler something.
So I found the mysterious video referenced and watched it start to finish. There goes 20 minutes of my life that I will never get back.
The shocker is I never found the part that was supposed to make me triggered. There is no talk of Kentucky, no talk of Mark Pope and I didn't even see Travis act like he is John Wall
What i saw was an Ole Miss Player speaking to an Ole Miss Podcaster about what he likes about Chris Beard and the Ole Miss Program. They talk a lot about Perry wining the High School State Championship and being the leading HS Scorer in Kentucky History
They don't even really talk about Kentucky or Pope.
Stay Triggered everyone!!!
This reminds me of the other Travis Perry lie. Cal told him he would never play at UK but he came anyway because of his love for the school. The lie didn’t make sense, it’s not logical in any way, and there was no evidence that this ever happened. Just a usual suspect posting the lie on a message board and 90% of the people accepting it as a fact. Liars are pathetic!
Lol, a F4 is as far as a NC game? Pretty sure you have to win the F4 game to get to a championship game, correct?
Lol, wasn't Beard just in the sw16 in his 2nd year at Ole Miss? Oats did the same at Bama and Pearl didn't even make the tournament his first 3 years at Auburn, then only made it to the 2nd round his 4th year.
Some basketball mind you got there.
And wasn't Texas Tech a football school, as are Texas and Ole Miss.
Foolish, how so? Most of the people who haven't blocked you are literally laughing at you.
Lol, does UL even have fans left?
I’ve never doubted he’s only coached at football schools but so have these coaches I mentioned, yet they have won final fours, won in better conferences, while having a better win percentage. Jon Scheyer was 7 years old when Beard started coaching and already has a better resume..
Why hasn’t Beard won the SEC??? I’ll hang up and wait to laugh at your response.. Okay, so if conferences matter that much, then since the ACC has been absolute garbage since Scheyer took over at Duke, your own logic dictates his wouldn't matter as much.Yes, what conference they win in matters..
Reading comprehension is everything. Those coaches made a final four or multiple final fours, while winning better conference championships, while alsobhaving a better win percentage. At football schools. This is like trying to teach a toddler something.
I think you mean it's like trying to teach a toddlers argument to adults.
Yet, they lost in the F4, whereas Beard won. So doesn't he have a better win% in the F4?
Wasn't the Big 12 the best conference when Bears won it?
Until this last year or two, the SEC was historically been a weaker conference, so not sure how winning it back then is some accomplishment now or why a better win% in a weaker conference is indicative of what you think it is.
What F4s did they win? Oats never has, Pearl never has, Barnes never has and he hasn't been to one on 23 years. Scheyer never has.I’ve never doubted he’s only coached at football schools but so have these coaches I mentioned, yet they have won final fours, won in better conferences, while having a better win percentage. Jon Scheyer was 7 years old when Beard started coaching and already has a better resume..
How does Scheyer have a better resumes? Also, didn't he inherent a strong program from K? I don't recall him rebuilding a program from scratch or playing a FB conference.
Also, what year did Chris Beard start as a HC and when was he a HC in D1?
Well, probably because he is only going into his 3rd year coaching in the SEC, at a rebuild program. Did Pearl win the SEC in his first 2 years at either UT or Auburn? Yet, you think he's great!
You realize you're know arguing against your previous points, right?
Not gonna throw shade either.. Honestly, at the end of the day , Perry just isn’t Div 1 ready and probably never will be imo
Pearl has 2 final fours, at a football school, in the same span of time that Beard got his fluke one..
Oats has a final four, better win percentage and a conference championship at the best football school ever..
Scheyer has a final four, better win percentage and a conference championship in a better conference than the Big12, Sun Belt or Lone Star.
Barnes is the only one that’s questionable, but he has won at a high rate in the best conference in the country, has a final four and better win percentage.
Everywhere is a rebuild program these days with the transfer portal. Pope got as far as Beard in his first year here, with 3 key injuries to starters, with unknown transfer assembled in 2 weeks and Pope isn’t a top 10 coach. The “rebuild” excuse doesn’t work anymore, no one retains players.
But but but did those other coaches make it to the championship, only to get outcoached due to their own incompetence???? That’s your only argument..
I think Beard is an elite coach at the right school with the right resources. He's not so good that he can go anywhere and turn them into a contender though. He is good enough to win a title in the right situation.
It's fair to say he hasn't proven that yet though. Easy to say he could have been a fluke.
It's fair to say he hasn't proven that yet though. Easy to say he could have been a fluke.
How long was Pearl at Auburn to get to that 2 F4's? And still no NC appearances.Pearl has 2 final fours, at a football school, in the same span of time that Beard got his fluke one..
Oats has a final four, better win percentage and a conference championship at the best football school ever..
Scheyer has a final four, better win percentage and a conference championship in a better conference than the Big12, Sun Belt or Lone Star.
Barnes is the only one that’s questionable, but he has won at a high rate in the best conference in the country, has a final four and better win percentage.
Everywhere is a rebuild program these days with the transfer portal. Pope got as far as Beard in his first year here, with 3 key injuries to starters, with unknown transfer assembled in 2 weeks and Pope isn’t a top 10 coach. The “rebuild” excuse doesn’t work anymore, no one retains players.
But but but did those other coaches make it to the championship, only to get outcoached due to their own incompetence???? That’s your only argument..
Oats is good, but he still hasn't made it as far as Beard. 2 F4's and conference championships does not make a NC game.
Lol, Scheyer has been at the weakest power 5 conference, which is worse than some mid major conferences, and with the most resources in CBB. Inherited a great program from all time great coach. And he has still underperformed expectations and has not made it as far as Beard.
Duke was a rebuild?!?
When was Barnes F4 again?
You're right...they all got outcoached in the F4 and couldn't even make a championship. And multiple times at that.
@UK4Life#9
Your whole argument is based on your belief that your listed coaches are more accomplished because they have gone less farther than a NC appearance more times.
I don't think you are understanding just how ignorant of an argument that is.
However, you're obviously willing to die on that hill. And so be it.
Your whole argument is based on your belief that your listed coaches are more accomplished because they have gone less farther than a NC appearance more times.
I don't think you are understanding just how ignorant of an argument that is.
However, you're obviously willing to die on that hill. And so be it.
How long was Pearl at Auburn to get to that 2 F4's? And still no NC appearances.
Oats is good, but he still hasn't made it as far as Beard. 2 F4's and conference championships does not make a NC game.
Lol, Scheyer has been at the weakest power 5 conference, which is worse than some mid major conferences, and with the most resources in CBB. Inherited a great program from all time great coach. And he has still underperformed expectations and has not made it as far as Beard.
Duke was a rebuild?!?
When was Barnes F4 again?
You're right...they all got outcoached in the F4 and couldn't even make a championship. And multiple times at that.
All I need to address is that Pearl has been to 2 final fours in the past 6 seasons and this is why you’re uneducated on college basketball..
That alone tells me all I need to know about you. You’re trying to argue but you don’t even know the short history, let alone things from years ago. You’re welcome on the education that I’ve provided you, now you know more than you did before we spoke.
A Championship appearance where you were outcoached due to incompetence isn’t better than multiple final fours, multiple conference championships in the best conference in college basketball and better win percentage..
You got me chuckling at that silliness!! But what comes after a F4? And if you've never won in a F4, but the person you're comparing to has won in the F4, who has the greater accomplishment?All I need to address is that Pearl has been to 2 final fours in the past 6 seasons and this is why you’re uneducated on college basketball..
But what comes after a F4? And if you've never won in a F4, but the person you're comparing to has won in the F4, who has the greater accomplishment?
Multiple final fours is better than one championship appearance in a fluke year, absolutely no one would argue that but you..
This is getting more hilarious with each comment.. 
Are these actually different posters or just some weirdo with multiple accounts?
What a strange multi-day argument, even for this site.
What a strange multi-day argument, even for this site.
I don't think Beard is a fluke and to be honest if we had hired Beard, everyone on this board would be predicting a #9 banner. The difference in Beard coaching at Ole Miss vs being HC at Kentucky is like comparing a 911 Porsche to a VW Bug. Ole Miss will never win a NC regardless of who is their coach. Pope has never won a NC and only because he has our resources here at UK is the reason he can. He would never have won one at BYU. If coach Pope were to leave KY as our coach, I would be very happy to have Beard as our coach. I would hope Beard is not measured based on winning at Ole Miss vs coaches at UNC, Duke, Houston, Conn, Kansas, and FL. None of the coaches of the schools mentioned could or would sniff a NC at Ole Miss.
Wait...wait... going less far more times is better than going to the national championship?Multiple final fours is better than one championship appearance in a fluke year, absolutely no one would argue that but you..
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Agree, why I said he's title good in the right situation.
I was just saying the jury is out and you can make a reasonable case he's a fluke. I don't think he is though.