Playing off Lent thread, what religion are you?

What religion are you?

  • Catholic

    Votes: 42 18.8%
  • Baptist

    Votes: 68 30.5%
  • Methodist

    Votes: 34 15.2%
  • Mormon

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • Presbyterian

    Votes: 26 11.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 27 12.1%
  • Non-Christian

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Non-religious

    Votes: 24 10.8%

  • Total voters
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paindonthurt

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To be clear and transparent, I’m not trying to make you believe what I believe. If you are comfortable & involved in your church fam, that’s great. That said, I’m comfortable defending many of these positions.

Growing up I went to a few churches, one baptist church on the coast in particular, who hated Catholics and made every possible generalized attack you can make. I was brought up hearing all this. My studying & researching has brought me to a different place.

It’s actually a huge stark difference that speaks volumes to me having been on both sides. I’ve been to numerous Protestant churches where many say Catholics aren’t Christians and talk horribly about them. As a Catholic, I’ve never heard that the other way in church. It’s always our brothers and sisters in Christ. I even heard that type of disrespectful talk between Baptist & Methodist denominations about each other.
To be clear and transparent i'm just asking you to give me 2 or 3 scripture reference points to show where you hold your belief. You seem to either not be able to do that or don't want to.

No worries.

The bible doesn't tell us we need to confess or confide into some specific person who is "closer" to God that the average person. Thats absurd. As a matter of fact the bible is full of references of "normal" people being very close to God or getting very close to him.
 

Maroon Eagle

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Actually you’re the one hiding in your comfort zone and refusing to go “outside.” I simply asked a clear, logical, real world edge case that has zero to do with “inside church comfort zones”. It is actually the most outside question possible- it strips away every cultural, emotional, intellectual, and denominational layer and forces the core issue. But if you don’t want to engage it, that’s perfectly fine.
Dude

I’m on the spectrum and you’re refusing to approach me at the level I’ve requested several times.

And now you’re making the condescending approach by saying that someone who is on the spectrum needs to get out of his comfort zone when you are the one who 17ing needs to accommodate me and the way I think

Have you considered that everything from your perspective will be considered Outside by others?

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@HailStout — This Neurotypical Idiocy sound familiar to you?
 

CEO2044

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Just post the scripture? Why is that so hard?

id rather read the bible than someone’s else’s interpretation of it.

JUST POST THE SCRIPTURE!! The actual word of God.
It's hard because it has been posted multiple times and you keep asking for it. Which makes me not want to give it to you because everyone sees where this is going, which just gets the thread locked. John 20: 19-23 has been alluded to and posted numerous times, which you know. There's a softball for you, but all of the verses he gave you are important.

You wanted to know where it was in the Bible because you don't believe it. The guy gave you at least 22 verses of where you would find this in the Bible. You keep saying you haven't seen anything showing it's in the Bible at all, it's just our interpretations- but we think you are putting a bag over your head saying you can't see and it's our fault you can't see. If AI were breaking this back and forth down, this is what it would look like. Asking for our 2-3 "favorite" ones is just moving goalposts.

If you have a different interpretation- that is fine. The first 1500 years of Christians, especially the ones that walked and talked with Jesus, believed in it the way we do. There is all kinds of evidence that points to that- both scriptural and from writings of the early church fathers. If you learned something different after those 1500 years, great for you.
 
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@HailStout and @Maroon Eagle , et al who're trying to square reason and logic with Christian faith, I found C. S. Lewis to be profoundly interesting in my mid twenties. I'm not saying he's the precise answer you're looking for (and there may not be an exact answer), but he at least addresses Christianity from the standpoint of reason and logic.

It's been a while since I've reread his great works, but he remains my favorite author to this day. I even named my son after him; no, not Clive Staples, but Jack, as he was known to his friends.

I don't recall him trying to reconcile the different dogmas of denominations, or getting bogged down in transubstantiation debates, for that's not what truly matters.

Start with "Mere Christianity."

This is how Google summarized it, for what that's worth:

"What is the main point of Mere Christianity?


Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis — Book Summary | Tyler DeVries


Lewis aims to prove to the sensible skeptic that God does exist and that He sent His son Jesus Christ to redeem the world. The book begins with a logical proof for the Christian God and then transitions into a discussion of the common ground upon which all of those of the Christian faith stand together."


Just my two cents, and something I found very profound and helpful. It would do me good to reread these as well. Happy reading, if you so choose. It was quite an impactful journey for myself.

Now, back to the previously scheduled arguments on confession and The Reformation.
 

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It's hard because it has been posted multiple times and you keep asking for it. Which makes me not want to give it to you because everyone sees where this is going, which just gets the thread locked. John 20: 19-23 has been alluded to and posted numerous times, which you know. There's a softball for you, but all of the verses he gave you are important.

You wanted to know where it was in the Bible because you don't believe it. The guy gave you at least 22 verses of where you would find this in the Bible. You keep saying you haven't seen anything showing it's in the Bible at all, it's just our interpretations- but we think you are putting a bag over your head saying you can't see and it's our fault you can't see. If AI were breaking this back and forth down, this is what it would look like. Asking for our 2-3 "favorite" ones is just moving goalposts.

If you have a different interpretation- that is fine. The first 1500 years of Christians, especially the ones that walked and talked with Jesus, believed in it the way we do. There is all kinds of evidence that points to that- both scriptural and from writings of the early church fathers. If you learned something different after those 1500 years, great for you.
No one has typed out 2 or three simple reference points for scripture.

like a reference point for drinking see below
Proverbs 20:1

see how simple that is?
 

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@HailStout and @Maroon Eagle , et al who're trying to square reason and logic with Christian faith, I found C. S. Lewis to be profoundly interesting in my mid twenties. I'm not saying he's the precise answer you're looking for (and there may not be an exact answer), but he at least addresses Christianity from the standpoint of reason and logic.

It's been a while since I've reread his great works, but he remains my favorite author to this day. I even named my son after him; no, not Clive Staples, but Jack, as he was known to his friends.

I don't recall him trying to reconcile the different dogmas of denominations, or getting bogged down in transubstantiation debates, for that's not what truly matters.

Start with "Mere Christianity."

This is how Google summarized it, for what that's worth:

"What is the main point of Mere Christianity?


Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis — Book Summary | Tyler DeVries


Lewis aims to prove to the sensible skeptic that God does exist and that He sent His son Jesus Christ to redeem the world. The book begins with a logical proof for the Christian God and then transitions into a discussion of the common ground upon which all of those of the Christian faith stand together."


Just my two cents, and something I found very profound and helpful. It would do me good to reread these as well. Happy reading, if you so choose. It was quite an impactful journey for myself.

Now, back to the previously scheduled arguments on confession and The Reformation.
Thank you for posting this. He's been on my list for a while- I wanted to recommend but haven't read his works yet.
 

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And now you’re making the condescending approach by saying that someone who is on the spectrum needs to get out of his comfort zone when you are the one who 17ing needs to accommodate me and the way I think
Just curious but do you mean people should do this in general or just in this specific case?
 

CEO2044

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No one has typed out 2 or three simple reference points for scripture.

like a reference point for drinking see below
Proverbs 20:1

see how simple that is?
There's literally what you are asking for in the post you just quoted. I can't take the bag off of your head.
 

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And now you’re making the condescending approach by saying that someone who is on the spectrum needs to get out of his comfort zone when you are the one who 17ing needs to accommodate me and the way I think

Have you considered that everything from your perspective will be considered Outside by others?
That’s “cater to me or you’re the bad guy.”

Sounds like you’d like one of those seeker friendly baptist type churches- no edge cases, no uncomfortable logic, no planks…
Just Jesus and a good coffee bar. All good my brother 😎
 
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HailStout

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@HailStout and @Maroon Eagle , et al who're trying to square reason and logic with Christian faith, I found C. S. Lewis to be profoundly interesting in my mid twenties. I'm not saying he's the precise answer you're looking for (and there may not be an exact answer), but he at least addresses Christianity from the standpoint of reason and logic.

It's been a while since I've reread his great works, but he remains my favorite author to this day. I even named my son after him; no, not Clive Staples, but Jack, as he was known to his friends.

I don't recall him trying to reconcile the different dogmas of denominations, or getting bogged down in transubstantiation debates, for that's not what truly matters.

Start with "Mere Christianity."

This is how Google summarized it, for what that's worth:

"What is the main point of Mere Christianity?


Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis — Book Summary | Tyler DeVries


Lewis aims to prove to the sensible skeptic that God does exist and that He sent His son Jesus Christ to redeem the world. The book begins with a logical proof for the Christian God and then transitions into a discussion of the common ground upon which all of those of the Christian faith stand together."


Just my two cents, and something I found very profound and helpful. It would do me good to reread these as well. Happy reading, if you so choose. It was quite an impactful journey for myself.

Now, back to the previously scheduled arguments on confession and The Reformation

I think I have read everything he wrote, even stuff like the Screwtape Letters. He is amazing and I would likely enjoy reading them again.
 
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$altyDawg

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I am Christian… denomination is Baptist due to greatest alignment with beliefs but I think we need to drop the denominations and focus on Jesus
100% this right here. I have gone to Baptist churches most of my life, but if someone asks me which denomination I am, I say Christian.
 
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paindonthurt

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He did.....


This is starting to become apparent.
Whats apparent is i don't want sometimes interpretation.

I want them to list the scriptures that back it up. Real simple like so I can read the word of god and make my own interpretation.

I did finally see his John 20 19-23 buried in a glfr mountain of text and I did look it up and read and am currently reading.

Would have been much easier to just list some scripture though. I know easy isn't your thing though!!
 

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Man do you realize you are why many christians get a bad rap? The guy is saying he has tried and willing to try and you are just being a judgemental prick.

I remember something about a plank in your own eye.
You’re welcome to answer the question for him?
 

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Catholic. Grew up Methodist & Baptist. My mother is a Methodist minister who went to reformed prezy seminary. I moved 11x by 8th grade so I went to a bunch of churches so I’m not tied to a specific church or denomination as so many are that grew up in 1 church. The older I get and the more I’ve studied church history & tradition and my beliefs have went a direction. I don’t think anyone enjoys denomination in-fighting more than the devil.

I agree. Denominations are a human construct, therefore they are imperfect and tainted. Personal preferences on worship styles and interpretations are just that.... preferences.

That said, was raised southern baptist. Now attend a united methodist church.
 
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@Maroon Eagle , all I can say is you aren’t alone in your struggles. just focus on your mental and emotional health. It sounds like church makes it worse. If you truly want to have faith, find it your own way. I don’t believe in god, but i would like to believe he will welcome you however he can get you. And that means outside of the walls of a church for you. And what the hell is wrong with that?

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I try not to read most of your nonsense.

I just know if you think you are a christian and your job is to win people to christ maybe you shouldn't be such a douche.
Apparently the only unforgivable sin here on sixpack is asking what happens to retarded people who can’t comprehend the gospel or “faith”.
 
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It is a work accommodation I have due to my Aspergers, so it’s general.
I mean thats great that work does that but i don't think it should be a demand of people you meet daily.

I don't know if I have a touch of the tism or not. I know i'm an engineer and very direct about things, and b/c of that its hard for me to get my point across a lot of times. Due to that, i genuinely try and approach emails and meetings with others to accommodate them and not me.
 

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I have always had some questions for Lucifer MorningStar.

What was the fall like? Did you land hard or soft?
What did God say to you when he let you go?
Have you ever thought about repentance, if angels can repent?
and...You might not know this one but is the 72 virgins really just men?
 

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I mean thats great that work does that but i don't think it should be a demand of people you meet daily.

I don't know if I have a touch of the tism or not. I know i'm an engineer and very direct about things, and b/c of that its hard for me to get my point across a lot of times. Due to that, i genuinely try and approach emails and meetings with others to accommodate them and not me.
I’ve long been open about it with my friends and tell them that I’m direct because I’m on the Spectrum and to let me know if I’m too direct and that I will also ask them for clarifications

In emails, I mention me being on the Spectrum to business vendors and my need for clarification and tendency to be ocd

I’m horrible with nice (passive & inferred) conversations. Nuances often go over my head. I’m better at it than I once was though

I know I can’t be direct with all people and consciously dial things down a notch in those cases
 
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Epistles are written to explain Christian doctrine and to give guidance to the early church on how to understand and live out the Gospel in practical and daily context.

There are 21 Epistles written to churches in the new testament. 155 total chapters and over 62 thousand words. Not one single mention of Mary nor of Peter being the "head of the church" (not even in Peter's own 3 epistles). In fact, in Acts, Paul rebukes Peter for being wrong. That's not how you treat the first pope. One would surmise something catholics hold to such importance would have been important from the start.

Flame on
 

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Why? The Russia link is not good.

If you truly study church history down to the apostles and those who were discipled directly by the apostles its crystal clear Holy Orthodoxy is the faith delivered by the apostles from Christ once and for all. The regions listed before an Orthodox church are simply cultural. There are Orthodox Church of America, Antiochian, Greek, Russian...
 

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If you truly study church history down to the apostles and those who were discipled directly by the apostles its crystal clear Holy Orthodoxy is the faith delivered by the apostles from Christ once and for all. The regions listed before an Orthodox church are simply cultural. There are Orthodox Church of America, Antiochian, Greek, Russian...
It's not clear at all.
 

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Epistles are written to explain Christian doctrine and to give guidance to the early church on how to understand and live out the Gospel in practical and daily context.

There are 21 Epistles written to churches in the new testament. 155 total chapters and over 62 thousand words. Not one single mention of Mary nor of Peter being the "head of the church" (not even in Peter's own 3 epistles). In fact, in Acts, Paul rebukes Peter for being wrong. That's not how you treat the first pope. One would surmise something catholics hold to such importance would have been important from the start.

Flame on
Let’s not flame. There is an important distinction there. The distinction is the Pauline epistles (all written by Paul) are very narrow letters written to specific congregations. The Catholic Epistles were written by James, Peter, John, & Jude were much more broad in scope and considered more authoritative because they were written to address the whole church if you will. None of these books diminishes or contradicts the other. It’s a great insight to the early church and the discussions that were being hashed out (which still goes on today).

And i think Peter (the rock) being given authority by Jesus (binding) is pretty clear as is the passage about strengthening the apostles. There are good faith arguments that that doesn’t equal papacy but thats up to the individual to either go with or not.

I think it’s fair to acknowledge the sticking point we’re having, because it’s the central sticking point of Protestant & Catholicism: sola scriptura. Tradition vs it being spelled out word for word in the bible. I know you can have a good faith argument for your pov and mine is the first 325 years of the church leading up to the council of Nicea (325 ad). Christianity was an oral tradition and they had to get together and hash out what they believed. Although there was a ton of internal debate, that stood for over 1,000 years until the schism where orthodox stopped supporting the papacy but in actuality Catholics & orthodox are dang near the same as far as ultra tradional. Then another 500 some odd years until Martin Luther made a lot of the arguments we’re discussing here. I guess my point is, if the church has no authority, what do we do with the first 1000 or 1500 years of Christians? Are they all heretics? Are their traditions invalid?

It’s hard for me to square that when you read how the early church fathers were basically all martyred in horrific ways. They weren’t martyred over any solas, just belief in Jesus. I hope this comes off as respectful and good faith discussion.
 

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I’ve long been open about it with my friends and tell them that I’m direct because I’m on the Spectrum and to let me know if I’m too direct and that I will also ask them for clarifications

In emails, I mention me being on the Spectrum to business vendors and my need for clarification and tendency to be ocd

I’m horrible with nice (passive & inferred) conversations. Nuances often go over my head. I’m better at it than I once was though

I know I can’t be direct with all people and consciously dial things down a notch in those cases
I get it!
 
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Let’s not flame. There is an important distinction there. The distinction is the Pauline epistles (all written by Paul) are very narrow letters written to specific congregations. The Catholic Epistles were written by James, Peter, John, & Jude were much more broad in scope and considered more authoritative because they were written to address the whole church if you will. None of these books diminishes or contradicts the other. It’s a great insight to the early church and the discussions that were being hashed out (which still goes on today).

And i think Peter (the rock) being given authority by Jesus (binding) is pretty clear as is the passage about strengthening the apostles. There are good faith arguments that that doesn’t equal papacy but thats up to the individual to either go with or not.

I think it’s fair to acknowledge the sticking point we’re having, because it’s the central sticking point of Protestant & Catholicism: sola scriptura. Tradition vs it being spelled out word for word in the bible. I know you can have a good faith argument for your pov and mine is the first 325 years of the church leading up to the council of Nicea (325 ad). Christianity was an oral tradition and they had to get together and hash out what they believed. Although there was a ton of internal debate, that stood for over 1,000 years until the schism where orthodox stopped supporting the papacy but in actuality Catholics & orthodox are dang near the same as far as ultra tradional. Then another 500 some odd years until Martin Luther made a lot of the arguments we’re discussing here. I guess my point is, if the church has no authority, what do we do with the first 1000 or 1500 years of Christians? Are they all heretics? Are their traditions invalid?

It’s hard for me to square that when you read how the early church fathers were basically all martyred in horrific ways. They weren’t martyred over any solas, just belief in Jesus. I hope this comes off as respectful and good faith discussion.
Good way to end the thread, honestly. Hard to sum it up any better.
 
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