I clearly stated what you were speculating about - that he wasn't making this move to save his job.
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Anyone could keep him as a position coach but people are arguing he should be the HC
This is what I’m talking about in the national media discourse. Wanna see a dead body?
Oh, you think the board directed Kraft to make this move in order to save his own ***? Wow, now that is a bit of speculation I can' begin to fathom. Either way, if true, my original point remains....good on not only kraft, but the board striving for greatness and not merely complacency.
Holy crap, guy ... I said we can't know. I mean, I wrote it all out. Very clearly. No, I don't think what you claim I think ... I said we don't know either way, so it's all rank speculation. I said that the first time. I'm saying it again. Let's see how you mess this one up.
This was all from you assuming that Kraft didn't make this move because he was worried about his job ... he's taking a big risk and letting it all hang out there. I'm saying we don't know. This could have actually been the low risk move that could be an attempt to save his job.
Yes, these guys worry about money. He makes a couple mill a year. While that's certainly above average, compared to your average schlub, it's not eff you money ... you start making money like that and you adjust your standard of living upward (and that costs more) ... and you also know that you haven't making near that for most of your career and it could all go away tomorrow if you don't play your cards right ... plus, most people are motivated to provide more for their family, regardless of what they make.
Ziese is a POS as is most of the Pittsburgh media, surprised they didnt try to get Tomlin as a candidate
Okay...I mean 90% of this board is speculation, conjecture and opinions, I guess Im just a little suprised my post about Kraft swinging for the fences and not merely concerning himself with job stability was mild on the speculation meter at best to be the one you single out. Either way, yes....im speculating with no inside knowledge(just his press conference) that perhaps we have an AD(or a board) that is more interested in championships than job security....I'll admit it could be untrue.
No way we’re eliminating the best candidates so that the search can be done by December
I assume everyone who wants Rhule is cool with never beating ranked teams.
Free to have opinions, not free from others thinking he's an idiot for those opinions
You must have been born after the National Championships in 1982 and 1986 huh?
So based on this, your criteria is Kraft can hire only coaches who have won a previous NC (upsets don’t matter there) or a coach that has never been upset, but hasn’t won a NC?
Guess it’s Dabo, Kirby and Day, or bring back Saban or Urban. None of those seem likely to me.
Leaving you with Option 2 - not sure no coach hasn’t been upset.
I still stand by the idea that Freeman is a home run candidate for all the reasons I listed earlier. He is not CJF (won ‘big’ games), his recruiting outpaces PSUs (by a widening margin), and he seems to be the recruiter/game manager/face of program while hiring good coordinators and position coaches to do the coaching (Seider for one).
Dismissing him as a candidate because his team lost to 1 non-P4 school each of the last 2 years seems shortsighted since his team played for a Natty last year after beating PSU and having a harder path to the NC than our draw was. And he stands a good chance of making the playoffs again this year, if they win Saturday night. I dislike ND as much as anybody, but I’m not letting that distract from the idea that hiring Freeman seems like a huge win for Kraft if he can pull it off.
Has anybody also considered the Singleton drop off could be somewhat related to Seider leaving? Not sure - just speculation.
Why does @BobPSU92 like scones? Why do people live in Ohio? Why do people go to sPitt?
You never know what motivates people.
I have to disagree… if he did not yet have undefeated seasons and NCs under his belt, exactly what expectations were there to lower at that point?
You actually used the “Success With Honor” phrase in your assertion about lowering expectations. As I recall, that specific motto came around later on, maybe not until the 90s. So I thought you were implying he believed the on-field success up through the 80s would not be sustainable as the sport evolved and Joe intended to continue demanding integrity and academic diligence out of his athletes — thereby trying to “lower expectations” AT THAT TIME, when some actual expectations had emerged.
And MY point was that “Success With Honor” had existed in spirit, under the “Grand Experiment” parlance, from the very beginning… when Joe had no track record yet and thus there was no national prominence for fans to even “expect.”
Now that I know you meant he was trying to lower expectations from the very beginning (or you’re trying to retrofit that meaning onto your earlier post), the stink of BS on your insinuation has become even raunchier.
why would urban and saben leave those cush jobs, paying big bucks, for a head coaching job with all kinds pressure and headaches?
Correct...the phrase came much later on but claiming we were doing things the right way and attacking others created room for error.
I dont know why everyone takes offense to his. It's why O'Brien discussed their being a cult.
Paterno was a great man and a great coach. He genuinely cared about his players. He was smarter than people give him credit for and understood how to achieve his goals. You're taking this as an insult. It's not. It's praise.
We just can't live in the past forever as some want. See those that want Rhule or Smith.
I am a 65 yo Nebraska fan grown up in Lincoln. This is eerily familiar to us firing Solich way back when we began our plunge.
I am ambivalent about Rhule leaving or staying, but us Huskers wished for better too, when things were really going well.
In full disclosure, I voted Rhule as your next coach.
I am ambivalent about Rhule leaving or staying, but us Huskers wished for better too, when things were really going well.
In full disclosure, I voted Rhule as your next coach.
You could have just cut out everything in your post, except for the last 6 words.
Regardless ... consider your assertion that this is Kraft being bold and brash and not caring about his job security ... he's throwing caution to the wind and swinging for the fences ... according to just about everyone on this board, the consecutive losses when we were heavy favorites made it so that Franklin had to go. According to just about everyone else who has been so excited for this happening, Franklin had proven he couldn't win the big game, and now he'd lost the team, the media, the boosters, his daughters took out an ad looking for a new daddy, his dog wouldn't let CJF take him for a walk ... everyone gave up on him. So wouldn't it be exactly job security and the safe call to can Franklin? Wouldn't it be much riskier to keep him on? Or even stand up and say "this is our guy ... if you have a problem with it, there's the door"? If mostly everyone is to be believed, this was the "only" reasonable option ... therefore, it's the safe way out.
None of the players or other coaches would ever understand his heavy Cajun.You forgot one....
My point exactly. Never said they would leave their gigs. I said I didn’t see either of them being a candidate.
Sorry if you thought my post was windy, however, your's is so long I cant spend the time. I'll be sure to preface every post with this "is just speculation" or "just my $0.2 cents" as to make it obvious to you. I do hope you'll hold every poster to the same standard. I believe 90% of the current threads are speculative and truly lacking inside knowledge.....probably because its a free message board and the school just underwent a huge change.
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Iowa state…. Basketball school
What do I know?Because coaches have different mindsets than the rest of us. Urban Meyer is my first phone call.
I guess if you are getting a ghost, I’m taking Joe Paterno, 1970’s version.
You take Joe, that's good. I'll take Bryant. Who do you think wins?