Ready for a lineup change now?

[HallGuy2323]

Hines has to start and play 30 minutes if fouls allow.

Fischer needs to go to the bench as well but I really don’t think there’s a better option to replace him? Rivera is the only other option and I’m not opposed to trying it.

The wings are all equally inconsistent so I’m not sure what to do there.

Bottom line, the issues we talked about before the season are coming true. No true PF and below average 3 point shooting. Not sure those things will be able to be fixed.

 

[joeyklings]

Hines over Payne. I’d even consider Godswil getting some of Payne’s minutes. Either play Godswil 6-8 mins or don’t play him at all. He gains nothing by playing a min or 2.

I’m not sure about Rivera over Fisher. I like Rivera off the bench. Provides good energy.

Simpkins over Williams or McCray

 

[HallX2]

Don’t tell Sha that. Seems to be a very sensitive issue for Coach. All the lines of look at our record and you have the insolence to suggest I change my subbing patterns?

 

[NYC Pirate]

Thinking along those lines also. So, was Godswill last year better than the Payne we are seeing now?? Some true competition may be a good thing. I thought today was the opportunity to start Simpkins over Staton-McCray. You need to fix both of them especially at Prudential. Staton- McCray was a bit better, but his focus is not there from minute to minute. Does good things and ugly things on offense. Simpkins plays good defense at home but can't score. They never set him up for too many quality looks. Not all his fault.

So doubtful that Sha will try anything different. There is a phycological aspect of coaching besides Yelling. I think Staton-McCray in the short term may be more successful against the other team's second unit after they sub out. I leave Williams alone. He is playing decent in both halves of games. I personally don't like to rip individual players on the message board. I would say that the play excluding these frantic comebacks is unacceptable at The Rock.

 

[HallGuy2323]

Thinking along those lines also. So, was Godswill last year better than the Payne we are seeing now?? Some true competition may be a good thing. I thought today was the opportunity to start Simpkins over Staton-McCray. You need to fix both of them especially at Prudential. Staton- McCray was a bit better, but his focus is not there from minute to minute. Does good things and ugly things on offense. Simpkins plays good defense at home but can't score. They never set him up for too many quality looks. Not all his fault.

So doubtful that Sha will try anything different. There is a phycological aspect of coaching besides Yelling. I think Staton-McCray in the short term may be more successful against the other team's second unit after they sub out. I leave Williams alone. He is playing decent in both halves of games. I personally don't like to rip individual players on the message board. I would say that the play excluding these frantic comebacks is unacceptable at The Rock.

I thought Godswill had legit promise coming in this year. We’ll never know with 2-5 minutes per game. Payne has bricks for hands and I still don’t believe he grabbed 16 and 20 rebounds in those two games or whatever the numbers were. Every ball he touches gets tipped around. I thought a rebound had to be clean grabbed. Anyway, more Hines. Other than that we’re probably stuck with what we got.

 

[joeyklings]

Thinking along those lines also. So, was Godswill last year better than the Payne we are seeing now?? Some true competition may be a good thing. I thought today was the opportunity to start Simpkins over Staton-McCray. You need to fix both of them especially at Prudential. Staton- McCray was a bit better, but his focus is not there from minute to minute. Does good things and ugly things on offense. Simpkins plays good defense at home but can't score. They never set him up for too many quality looks. Not all his fault.

So doubtful that Sha will try anything different. There is a phycological aspect of coaching besides Yelling. I think Staton-McCray in the short term may be more successful against the other team's second unit after they sub out. I leave Williams alone. He is playing decent in both halves of games. I personally don't like to rip individual players on the message board. I would say that the play excluding these frantic comebacks is unacceptable at The Rock.

Payne’s numbers obviously better than GW’s numbers last year but playing a lot more mins. Godswil has more potential, imo.

 

[HallGuy2323]

Payne’s numbers obviously better than GW’s numbers last year but playing a lot more mins. Godswil has more potential, imo.

Take the 2 big games out and what are Paynes numbers? Clearly they’re outliers

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

Take the 2 big games out and what are Paynes numbers? Clearly they’re outliers

They are mediocre at best

3.2 points per game
5.8 rebounds per game

Sounds like back up center type production from a player transitioning from Jacksonville and the Atlantic Sun conference.

He has done a great job allowing Hines to transition to college basketball in a back up role. Now it’s time to move over and let Hines assume the lion share of the minutes in the middle.

 

[NYC Pirate]

They are mediocre at best

3.2 points per game
5.8 rebounds per game

Sounds like back up center type production from a player transitioning from Jacksonville and the Atlantic Sun conference.

He has done a great job allowing Hines to transition to college basketball in a back up role. Now it’s time to move over and let Hines assume the lion share of the minutes in the middle.

Sha said in his press conference today, you know I'm not making lineup changes. So, there you go. I just feel you move the pieces around to get max production. He doesn't feel that way and he's the boss. For him outside shooting is gravy. Other coaches feel it's a necessity. He recruits that way. Hopefully, he is right and they'll regain their mental toughness & efficiency on offense.

 

[HallGuy2323]

Sha said in his press conference today, you know I'm not making lineup changes. So, there you go. I just feel you move the pieces around to get max production. He doesn't feel that way and he's the boss. For him outside shooting is gravy. Other coaches feel it's a necessity. He recruits that way. Hopefully, he is right and they'll regain their mental toughness & efficiency on offense.

That’s not great to hear

 

[jack 1970]

Hines has to start and play 30 minutes if fouls allow.

Fischer needs to go to the bench as well but I really don’t think there’s a better option to replace him? Rivera is the only other option and I’m not opposed to trying it.

The wings are all equally inconsistent so I’m not sure what to do there.

Bottom line, the issues we talked about before the season are coming true. No true PF and below average 3 point shooting. Not sure those things will be able to be fixed.

I don't care who starts at Center, but Hines should get 25 minutes. He's learning how to defend and foul trouble will not allow him to play more minutes than that. Fischer has been nonexistent on the court so he can split minutes with Rivera who plays hard but is limited,

 

[Piratz]

Payne looks like a back-up center. Very limited and can pop for good games as match-ups dictate.

Hines is a different player. He dictates and teams have to account for him. He's only a freshman and missed a few weeks with that concussion, but the game flow is showing you that the team is much better when he's on the floor. He can give balance and presence that Payne does not. And after Payne's brutal day yesterday, idk how you just let it go.

I think it's time for that change. Starts are our problem.

 

[shu67]

One thing for sure in the last 5 minutes of the game I want Hines in there.

 

[Halldan]

Hines is clearly the better player. But he's so damn agressive I fear starting him would have him on the bench within 10 minutes at worst in every game. Even coming off the bench that's a problem.

Maybe best he sits at the tip to watch the action and let the whistles die down as many refs call the game tight early.

 

[NYC Pirate]

Hines is clearly the better player. But he's so damn agressive I fear starting him would have him on the bench within 10 minutes at worst in every game. Even coming off the bench that's a problem.

Maybe best he sits at the tip to watch the action and let the whistles die down as many refs call the game tight early.

Wait until @Depaul. See if they can stabilize the SJU game for 10-12 minutes. I believe Butler was a better chance. It doesn't really matter. The coach has made his decision.

 

[JTSHU]

Wtf is up with paynes hands. Couldnt hold onto the ball. Sha got pissed when asked for lineup changes. I said the same. Maybe start the better offensive players to get these 1st halves going better. Is sha that stubborn that he doesnt see thede terrible 1st halves? Does he think theyll magically go away? He claims we shoot well in practice but not games. Cmon sha, everyone shoots well in practice but not games?

 

[NCAAsorBust]

Hines is clearly the better player. But he's so damn agressive I fear starting him would have him on the bench within 10 minutes at worst in every game. Even coming off the bench that's a problem.

Maybe best he sits at the tip to watch the action and let the whistles die down as many refs call the game tight early.

I think we are so afraid of foul trouble we limit our best feature, the press. If Clark and Hines can't control themselves they'll be on the bench. We're holding back the other 3 or 4 players on the court to make sure the 1 or 2 can control themselves. We must find a way to put our guys in the best situations for them to succeed. Asking these guys to play half court is a recipe for doom. It's why we're down double digits every game.

 

[NIL BAD]

Simpkins has had 2 clunkers in a row. Wonder if it’s scouting or he’s just in a funk. Regardless, we need him to be the player he was.

 

[Piratz]

I think we are so afraid of foul trouble we limit our best feature, the press. If Clark and Hines can't control themselves they'll be on the bench. We're holding back the other 3 or 4 players on the court to make sure the 1 or 2 can control themselves. We must find a way to put our guys in the best situations for them to succeed. Asking these guys to play half court is a recipe for doom. It's why we're down double digits every game.

Sha also manages fouls the old school way where the guy comes out to preserve instead of playing through. Lots of new age analytic types keep them in.

 

[HallGuy2323]

Hines is clearly the better player. But he's so damn agressive I fear starting him would have him on the bench within 10 minutes at worst in every game. Even coming off the bench that's a problem.

Maybe best he sits at the tip to watch the action and let the whistles die down as many refs call the game tight early.

We can’t sit our best players because they might get in foul trouble. It’s the same reverse thinking that’s happened to MLB pitchers. That somehow less is more.

If we get 25 great minutes from Hines before fouling out then so be it. It’s better than 15-20 minutes off the bench.

 

[NCAAsorBust]

Sha also manages fouls the old school way where the guy comes out to preserve instead of playing through. Lots of new age analytic types keep them in.

New way, old way, I don't give crap, just play the style these guys succeed in and if someone gets into foul trouble, next man up. It's not like we're this offensive juggernaut no one can stop when Hines or Clark or both are on the court.

 

[shu67]

We can’t sit our best players because they might get in foul trouble. It’s the same reverse thinking that’s happened to MLB pitchers. That somehow less is more.

If we get 25 great minutes from Hines before fouling out then so be it. It’s better than 15-20 minutes off the bench.

And we do have 2 other centers (3 if you include Mbaye) to fill in as needed so we do have depth at the position.

 

[Piratz]

During the attempted comeback we made so many dumb and sloppy plays missing great looks, fumbling balls out of bounds. It was there to take. The team is in a slump, see if we can get out of it.

 

[ivyhillpark63]

Wtf is up with paynes hands. Couldnt hold onto the ball. Sha got pissed when asked for lineup changes. I said the same. Maybe start the better offensive players to get these 1st halves going better. Is sha that stubborn that he doesnt see thede terrible 1st halves? Does he think theyll magically go away? He claims we shoot well in practice but not games. Cmon sha, everyone shoots well in practice but not games?

I want to give the payne kid the benefit of the doubt . Yesterday showed me too soft to be a big east center.

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

And we do have 2 other centers (3 if you include Mbaye) to fill in as needed so we do have depth at the position.

I am officially convinced Mbaye has some sort of familial relationship with you.

 

[JTSHU]

I want to give the payne kid the benefit of the doubt . Yesterday showed me too soft to be a big east center.

Hes the highest paid player on the team

 

[Halldan]

We can’t sit our best players because they might get in foul trouble. It’s the same reverse thinking that’s happened to MLB pitchers. That somehow less is more.

If we get 25 great minutes from Hines before fouling out then so be it. It’s better than 15-20 minutes off the bench.

You want him in the game down the stretch. Get in early foul trouble and that will plague him the rest of the contest. When you're in early foul trouble it affects how you play the rest of the game. And considering how aggressive he is that takes away from what he does best.

This early in his career the coach must monitor his game for the well being of the team.

 

[HallGuy2323]

You want him in the game down the stretch. Get in early foul trouble and that will plague him the rest of the contest. When you're in early foul trouble it affects how you play the rest of the game. And considering how aggressive he is that takes away from what he does best.

This early in his career the coach must monitor his game for the well being of the team.

In a perfect world, yes. But you won’t ever know if we’ll actually need him on the final minutes due to convincing wins or losses. Therefore you may be wasting minutes for him on the bench in the middle of the game for a scenario that may never arise.

Secondly, in the grand aspect of a game. His contributions in the 1st half or early-mid parts of the 2nd half are equally as valuable as they could be at the end. Meaning if he has a hot streak at the 12 minute mark that could be the difference between winning easy or having a nail biter if he’s on the bench.

 

[ivyhillpark63]

Hes the highest paid player on the team

Hes the highest paid player on the team

Is that true?

 

[shu67]

I am officially convinced Mbaye has some sort of familial relationship with you.

If you go back many many centuries we all had the same mother. So yes!

 

[joeyklings]

Is that true?

According to Dan, yes. That makes me feel so uncomfortable moving forward with NIL. Yes, centers are getting more, but still.
Payne, Hines, and Clark are all in the 700k range, per him.

 

[shu67]

The only lineup change I would make is to start Hines.

 

[JTSHU]

According to Dan, yes. That makes me feel so uncomfortable moving forward with NIL. Yes, centers are getting more, but still.
Payne, Hines, and Clark are all in the 700k range, per him.

That means hines should ask for 2 mil and if he doesnt get it, hold out til the last min cuz hell get it from a team in need. We were desperate for anything so we threw high 6 figures at him

 

[Medugorje]

Shaheen is stubborn so I would not expect a change although Hines should start. As they say, “You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink”.

 

[Piratz]

Start Hines, see if it helps. We've been getting diminishing returns with the status quo for a while now. My guess is nothing changes. And we're supposed to be this team-first deep squad, no? So nobody should be upset by it.

And for God's sake, use the TO's to try to stop opponent runs. Too many 15+ point runs.

 

[Piratz]

Payne's offensive ratings in BE. He's in a terrible slump. He was much better prior to this and Sha has been cutting his minutes accordingly, to be fair.

Butler = 55 (15 minutes)
Connecticut = 150 (19 minutes)
Georgetown = 63 (22 minutes)
Creighton = 56 (14 minutes)
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Marquette = 135 (32 minutes)
Villanova = 138 (33 minutes)
Providence = 156 (30 minutes)

 

[PQR]

Fisher and Simpkins seem to have lost confidence.Neither are taking it to the hoop with the authority they showed earlier. Payne was out hustled by Jones of Butler. Perhaps the chip on the shoulder may not be there anymore. We’re not good enough to get complacent.

 

[NYC Pirate]

Fisher and Simpkins seem to have lost confidence.Neither are taking it to the hoop with the authority they showed earlier. Payne was out hustled by Jones of Butler. Perhaps the chip on the shoulder may not be there anymore. We’re not good enough to get complacent.

I really agree. They played in the OOC like men with that chip on the shoulder. I can understand looking at UConn a certain way, but to be abused by Butler at times was tough to watch. I don't recall teams that were so nervous or out of sorts during home games like this?? The positive will be going from playing SJU on the road to DePaul on the road instead of the other way around.

 

[Piratz]

Fisher and Simpkins seem to have lost confidence.Neither are taking it to the hoop with the authority they showed earlier. Payne was out hustled by Jones of Butler. Perhaps the chip on the shoulder may not be there anymore. We’re not good enough to get complacent.

Their BE stats are crazy.

Simpkins is 16/48 (.333) from the floor, 5/19 from 3 (.260). He was 11/19 at Providence and at Georgetown. In the 5 other games he's 5/29. Wow.

Fisher is 15/40 (.380) from the floor, 2/10 from 3. He's 5/20 since Villanova, jeez.