Really interesting comments by Bo Bounds on Les Koenning

[shotgunDawg]

This morning Bo insinuated, not stated, that Les goes around bitching to alums about Mullen, his control of the offense, or possibly both. I don't want to start untrue rumors here, but Bo said it on live radio. Not me.

I realize most assistant coaches ***** and complain. In fact that's kinda part of the assistant coach culture, but to do it publicly, outside the walls of the Bryan building/ Seal building, should be unacceptable.

Any insight?

 

[coach66]

I don't think that's a stretch. Pretty sure Koening told folks he was trying to

get Mullen to sit Tyler for a while at the Gator to no avail.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Agree. If he's bitching to anyone but Mullen, he needs to be fired.

 

[SwingAway]

Can we get rid of this has-been?

 

[chew1095]

Well, it is public knowledge that Mullen talked to Jeff Tedford about a potential candidate for one of our coaching staff vacancies (cannot remember if it was CB or DL)...wonder he if inquired about his services as an OC?

 

[randystewart]

get Mullen to sit Tyler for a while at the Gator to no avail.

I side with Les on this one....

 

[maroonmania]

Certainly not blaming Les for our offensive shortcomings...

Can we get rid of this has-been?

because I realize that its Mullen's offense and Mullen gets what he wants BUT a little fresh blood on the offensive side of the ball certainly might help. Koennig is a pure retread who was having trouble getting work much of anywhere until Mullen picked him up.

 

[Dawg1976]

I side with Les on this one....

Me too. And I don't blame Les for our short comings on offense. It's always at the top.

 

[maroonmania]

I definitely concur on that...

I side with Les on this one....

after the 3rd interception for us which followed Autry's interception and return down inside the 15 Russell would not have played any more of the game for me unless I saw Prescott was stinking up the joint as well. Of the 3 INTs Russell had thrown at that point the 1st and the 3rd were essentially thrown RIGHT TO defenders and the second was a sideline throw that the timing was off terribly and thrown much too late.

 

[SignalToNoise]

He coaches CBs, DL, and possibly is an OC?

Quite the versatile skill set.

 

[chew1095]

I should have been more clear. Mullen called Tedford about one of his former assistants for one of our vacancies.

 

[missouridawg]

I'm not saying it's going to happen... but if it doesn't, I would be surprised.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Maybe, but you don't ***** publicly about your superior. You take your complaints to him, and if you don't like the way he handles it, you leave. Bitching to other entities is a puss move.

 

[tenureplan]

So Prescott having a hand in the two false starts after Autry's interception which cost us a TD and then blowing the zone read for a -10 yard play then throwing the bounce pass to Bumphis on a screen gets him a bye?

 

[Railin Jemmye]

But, but, but he's the backup!!! He must be better!!! This IS MSU, right?

 

[blacklistedbully]

So Prescott having a hand in the two false starts after Autry's interception which cost us a TD and then blowing the zone read for a -10 yard play then throwing the bounce pass to Bumphis on a screen gets him a bye?

Are you kidding?? That 10-yard loss wasn;t on Prescott. The Nw lineman came in on that play untouched and arrived at the same time the hand-off was being made. Not Prescott's fault at all. And you;re gonna complain that of Prescott's ONE PASS attempt, it was a short one. Yeah, right. QB's don't sometime come into a game and make a poor throw. You're going to equate that with TR throwing 3 picks at that point?? And how is it Prescott was responsible for the false starts? Haven't heard this one before.

 

[SwingAway]

Are you kidding?? That 10-yard loss wasn;t on Prescott. The Nw lineman came in on that play untouched and arrived at the same time the hand-off was being made. Not Prescott's fault at all. And you;re gonna complain that of Prescott's ONE PASS attempt, it was a short one. Yeah, right. QB's don't sometime come into a game and make a poor throw. You're going to equate that with TR throwing 3 picks at that point?? And how is it Prescott was responsible for the false starts? Haven't heard this one before.

Nice post. Don't understand the Tyler obsession around here as if he's a top tier QB, he didn't even match Ralph's win total in 2010.

Wow finally a guy at Mississippi State that can throw a decent pass he's AWESOME!!! Take off the MSU blinders and look around. TR is pedestrian. Dak gives us what we need. Stop living in De-Nile

 

[tenureplan]

Are you kidding?? That 10-yard loss wasn;t on Prescott. The Nw lineman came in on that play untouched and arrived at the same time the hand-off was being made. Not Prescott's fault at all. And you;re gonna complain that of Prescott's ONE PASS attempt, it was a short one. Yeah, right. QB's don't sometime come into a game and make a poor throw. You're going to equate that with TR throwing 3 picks at that point?? And how is it Prescott was responsible for the false starts? Haven't heard this one before.

First off, the guy is supposed to be untouched, they option off of him as he is the read end - Prescott blew the read. OK he gets a bye on the pass. I didn't say Prescott was solely responsible for the two false starts, but he had a hand in it with the change in cadence, timing, block calls, etc.

 

[engie]

Just another reason(if true) that Les needs to be job-shopping --- Just like he's already done about SIX times before.

The statement about Tedford is the exact same thing I said...That said, I'd still be fine with getting Troy's OC.

 

[Coach34]

So Prescott having a hand in the two false starts after Autry's interception which cost us a TD and then blowing the zone read for a -10 yard play then throwing the bounce pass to Bumphis on a screen gets him a bye?

Prescott didnt jump- the OL needs to get their **** together. He's beencoming in games all year without penalties
Prescott didnt blow the read- Perkins did
The bounce pass was terrible footwork- falls completely on him

 

[maroonmania]

You've got your timeline off....

So Prescott having a hand in the two false starts after Autry's interception which cost us a TD and then blowing the zone read for a -10 yard play then throwing the bounce pass to Bumphis on a screen gets him a bye?

Prescott never came in after Autry's interception, Russell immediately threw the INT into a crowd of NW defenders when he got a little pressure. And for whatever Prescott's mistakes were he at least wasn't constantly giving NW the ball.

 

[maroonmania]

He would have almost assuredly been better on that day...

But, but, but he's the backup!!! He must be better!!! This IS MSU, right?

I've never seen TR play that crappy and I hope I never see it again but yes, after the 3rd INT of the half, he should have sat.

 

[SignalToNoise]

That said, I'd still be fine with getting Troy's OC.

Are you hearing that there has been any communication with him, or are you just saying? I would love to see this happen, too.

 

[TheOMlawdog]

Damn, Im surprised Les complained so openly....

He is a really nice guy, can you direct me to article with quotes. I've read on here a ton lately that pretend journalists that make up stories and quote "sources" is just bush league journalism so Im certain there is some article that will back up these pretty serious allegations by Bo Bounds.

 

[majors42]

Les is getting no credit for the development of tyler

You guys are talking about he is a retread etc... Does les get any credit for making tyler into the best Qb we have had in a very long time? If he gets the blame, he should also get some credit. I think he has done a hell of a job aside from a questionable call on occasion. from what I hear, it's hard to call plays when Mullen is yelling at him in one ear and Hevesy is yelling at him in the other.

 

[engie]

You guys are talking about he is a retread etc... Does les get any credit for making tyler into the best Qb we have had in a very long time? If he gets the blame, he should also get some credit. I think he has done a hell of a job aside from a questionable call on occasion. from what I hear, it's hard to call plays when Mullen is yelling at him in one ear and Hevesy is yelling at him in the other.

He gets credit as a good qb coach, absolutely...As a qb recruiter? That's another question entirely.

He also gets blamed for being a pretty crappy playcalling OC. It's been beat to death about how we haven't had a single good offense yet. Everytime the defense is questionable, we get rid of a bunch of assistants. Everytime the offense is terrible, we shrug our shoulders and go back to doing the same thing we had been doing.

 

[JackShephard]

this is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on SPS. And I've been here for over 4 years now, so......

 

[Todd4State]

Maybe they wouldn't yell at Les so much if he didn't suck as a play caller.

One of these things needs to happen:

1) Les gets demoted to QB coach and keeps his OC title, but Dan calls ALL the plays.

2) Dan fires Les and hires someone like Tedford or Edenfield the OC from Troy.

3) Dan fires Les, takes over as OC and we use Les's old spot to either hire a badass recruiter and/or a special teams coach.

I don't really care which one we do- but if we do number one, I as a fan would like for an announcement to be made just so that I know that our problems on offense are being addressed.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Probably because the offense hasn't been terrible. When it hasn't been great (most notably 2011 and against the better defenses in 2012), most logical people point to the offensive line. Most logical people also realize that next year will be a telling year for the offense.

As far as the defense goes, we've gotten rid of DC Carl Torbush who was terrible and DC Chris Wilson who was terrible (at coordination of the whole defense). Wow, big shockers there. And again, most logical people in those situations would point to the defensive line.

The difference is, the offensive line and offense in general was doing the best it could with the talent available while the defensive line (and defense) underachieved.

End of story. It's not a Mullen conspiracy towards the defense. Mullen thought enough of what the defense was doing in 2010 to give Wilson a shot at DC when Diaz left. So he's giving guys chances to do their thing. Fletcher Cox obviously masked some problems on defense last year, although many here complained that we didn't get much push then either.

 

[SwingAway]

this is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on SPS. And I've been here for over 4 years now, so......

About 40% of the D1 quarterbacks this year would have been considered "the best ever at MSU"

In our offense Tyler Russell is pedestrian. I dont even buy the "If he was at Bama he'd have 2 titles and be 17ing Katherine Webb" ******** either. AJ makes the huge throws and doesn't lose the game. Tyler acts like a gunslinger without a gun. Look at our last 2 games!! What the hell about our offense this season are you and cookie and the goat defending so much?

Is it the fact that we only had 10 first downs combined in our 4 SEC losses? TEN!!!
Is it the fact that we went to a "pass-first" and averaged 56 rushing yards in our 4 SEC losses?

You freaking people are blinded by the shiny object that resembles what you think a QB should look like. Well here's a cold bucket of water to wake you up. Tyler Russell is no elite talent. He is not Brady Rodgers Brees Luck or a Manning of college football. Think of him as the equivalent to Philip Rivers in the NFL (please dear God you retards understand I am not saying TR is as good as Rivers) The world is changing. If you aren't an ELITE arm then you have to compensate. I give you Kaepernick Wilson Griffin.

Hell I even give you a 2010 Chris 17ing Relf. Dan knows how to get it done with the spread option. We will not ever go to the pro style under Mullen so the talk of Russell in that can fly out the window. I said (before watching the NW game) that ideally we should be pro-style. Well the facts are the facts, we aren't. We are a spread team, Dak is the guy.

I honestly cannot believe that this is even debatable after watching our offense against those teams with a pulse this season.

 

[maroonmania]

Les is pretty decent with QBs but Tyler came to us as the most...

You guys are talking about he is a retread etc... Does les get any credit for making tyler into the best Qb we have had in a very long time? If he gets the blame, he should also get some credit. I think he has done a hell of a job aside from a questionable call on occasion. from what I hear, it's hard to call plays when Mullen is yelling at him in one ear and Hevesy is yelling at him in the other.

highly recruited QB we've signed in recent memory so its not like the Relf situation where you are having to develop from nearly scratch. Even at that Russell really wasn't ready for full time SEC play until his RS JR year, how much credit does that deserve?

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Nice post. Don't understand the Tyler obsession around here as if he's a top tier QB, he didn't even match Ralph's win total in 2010.

Wow finally a guy at Mississippi State that can throw a decent pass he's AWESOME!!! Take off the MSU blinders and look around. TR is pedestrian. Dak gives us what we need. Stop living in De-Nile

Your idiocy knows no bounds. I'm guessing you think Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino because he has more Super Bowl rings.

 

[Coach 57]

So Prescott having a hand in the two false starts after Autry's interception which cost us a TD and then blowing the zone read for a -10 yard play then throwing the bounce pass to Bumphis on a screen gets him a bye?

If u really believe the loss on the zone read was Dak's fault you my friend don't know ANYTHING about football! Did you see Greg Knox wearing Perk's butt out after the play? On a zone read RBs are NEVER (and I mean NEVER) to "close the mesh" and to a dummy like you that means lock their arms onto the ball as the QB reads the DE. That my friend is why we lost yardage on the play. Dak started to say something to Perk but didn't. That was purely on LdP and NOT on Dak. Ask any of the coaches they'll tell you the same thing. And as far as the bubble screen being messed up. Yes, that WAS on Dak but if you had ever played the game you would know that Dak was as tight as a preachers chocolate starfish in a whorehouse. And when you know (as a player) your ONLY going to get a few snaps you DO play tight because you want to make an impression on the staff, fans, teammates and especially on the game. And Dak knowing he is on the quick hook no matter HOW good he plays he wants his snaps to MEAN something! I notice you failed to mention his read keep of 15+yds that was a shoe string tackle away from being 6 by a SAFETY. Do you realize that if the saftey doesn't make that tackle what it would've started? People in the stands were already screaming to pull Tyler out. Dak scoring on a play that we are ALREADY designed and built for would've thrown gas on the fire. You idiots like Goat, cookie and yourself shouldn't even comment about football. My kid who's 9 knows more than you people. Down right idiocy on the board.

 

[SwingAway]

Your idiocy knows no bounds. I'm guessing you think Trent Dilfer was better than Dan Marino because he has more Super Bowl rings.

So Tyler Russell is the college equivalent to Dan Marino?

Idiot. Yall's position looks more and more foolish the more you express it.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

About 40% of the D1 quarterbacks this year would have been considered "the best ever at MSU"

You should really leave the statistics to people who got past pre-algebra.

Your "statistic" is completely devoid of any context whatsoever.

I'll show you how that works...here's a quote from you:

"Tyler Russell is...elite talent. He is the[sic]...Brady Rodgers Brees Luck or a Manning of college football. Think of him as the equivalent to Philip Rivers...(...you...understand I am...saying TR is as good as Rivers)..." - SwingAway

When you take stuff out of context, you can "make" it say whatever you want. You're like a guy who reads a box score and then acts like he knows as much as the person who attended the game. I know you're on your seventh username but maybe get another just to get the stink of stupidity off of you.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

I was trying, in vain, to show you that comparing QBs on wins is a pretty futile exercise. Of course, that flew right past your pea-size brain. No wonder people make fun of State fans. When we've got rocket surgeons like you leading the charge. Please tell me you are a sidewalk alumni. I'm frightened that my alma mater gave any kind of degree to someone as dumb as you.

 

[Coach34]

About 40% of the D1 quarterbacks this year would have been considered "the best ever at MSU"

This is absolutely dead-on

In the CBS sports draft rankings for 2014- Tyler is 12th- as in- wouldnt be drafted. Now he certainly could move up the list, but he could also move down the list with a much tougher schedule ahead of him next season and a bunch of inexperienced WR's

 

[engie]

So Tyler Russell is the college equivalent to Dan Marino?

Idiot. Yall's position looks more and more foolish the more you express it.

Marino(coached by Jackie Sherrill) won two semi-recognized national championships @ Pittsburgh and finished in the top 4 in Heisman voting twice -- and top 10 another time. Not sure about his FR year. Overall college record? 42-5

 

[tenureplan]

So if the running back doesn't "close the mesh" and the QB decides to give it up, whats to prevent the ball from dropping to the ground? As someone who only played TE and DE in high school, I was under the assumption that the RB was supposed to clamp down but then release if he feels the QB pulling the ball back out. You're right about one thing, I wouldn't know anything about playing not to mess up. When I was an underclassman and got time in the game, I was playing to take the job of the MFer in front of me. If Dak was still tight because he was worried about messing up by the bowl game, that may be one reason he saw as little playing time as he did.

 

[SwingAway]

I was trying, in vain, to show you that comparing QBs on wins is a pretty futile exercise. Of course, that flew right past your pea-size brain. No wonder people make fun of State fans. When we've got rocket surgeons like you leading the charge. Please tell me you are a sidewalk alumni. I'm frightened that my alma mater gave any kind of degree to someone as dumb as you.

I wasn't comparing them on wins dumbass just equivalent talent level at different levels.

Your Brady Manning Brees this year are Aaron Murray, Tyler Wilson, Matt Barkley, etc with Manziel and Kline as your "Steve Youngs"

Philip Rivers is an average NFL QB with an average arm. Just like TR is an average SEC QB with an average arm

See where Im going

Then you brilliantly deduce that because I am somehow talking about wins to bring up Dan 17ing Marino one of the best ever.

This is silly having to do this over and over with you people. Yall dont even promote Tyler, rather you seek to be witty with a poster on a message board. Alinsky.