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Clark, Hines, and Payne alone are more than last year’s roster, I’d bet.
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Clark, Hines, and Payne alone are more than last year’s roster, I’d bet.
So than why has that been repeated as the number here?
Don’t you also “disagree” that Payne is our highest paid player even though that has also been reported several times
What is your info to refute these?
Oh and btw
Kelvin Sampson bemoans Houston NIL budget: 'We're poor'
Houston coach Kelvin Sampson said his top-10 team can't sign more recruits because the school's athletic department is "very poor."
www.espn.com
I believe Hines is our highest paid player from a source that I have. However not by a large margin over Clark or Payne.So than why has that been repeated as the number here?
Don’t you also “disagree” that Payne is our highest paid player even though that has also been reported several times
What is your info to refute these?
Oh and btw
Kelvin Sampson bemoans Houston NIL budget: 'We're poor'
Houston coach Kelvin Sampson said his top-10 team can't sign more recruits because the school's athletic department is "very poor."
but that has also been stated that they are all in the same general price range.
I think there are optics about telling the fans who is paid what and the school would prefer that none of this information is disclosed to the public for various reasons.
So your source is in disagreement with the sources by others on this board
Don’t those posters say Payne is the highest paid NIL on the team?
Understand the optics, but I also think schools and coaches like keeping fans and the general public in the dark. One, they constantly need to fundraise, so the implication that more is needed inures to their benefit. Two, it provides a built in excuse for every recruiting failure or lack of success on the court. With Kelvin Sampson's rosters over the past 2 years, I do not believe for a second they have the least funds of all power 4 schools. More likely, he is making that statement publicly because he wants to ensure his school/AD is allocating to basketball what he wants/needs -- or figuring out how to do that -- given Houston's reemergence this past season as a good football program.
And fans play right into it. After the Nova loss, some of our very own PirateCrew posters immediately began posting unhinged rants about other teams spending, and the concept of certain teams "buying" wins lives rent free in folks heads (even though everyone "buys" wins now).
And fans play right into it. After the Nova loss, some of our very own PirateCrew posters immediately began posting unhinged rants about other teams spending, and the concept of certain teams "buying" wins lives rent free in folks heads (even though everyone "buys" wins now).
Everyone has sources on this stuff or things they read publicly (which are based on sources), and logically certain things make more sense than others (like Budd or Hines with his pedigree at his position getting more than most).
You are right that it was said Payne was either the highest or right around the highest (him or Budd, I think).
Not looking to good down that rabbit hole again
but Halldan is the only person who has come out and said Payne is our highest paid player (although close to Clark and Hines) through one of his sources at the school.
No one else has stated they have a source that has refuted or supported that statement.
At this point I’ll accept that all 3 are rather similar. Personally surprised that Payne is getting that based on his tape / performance at Jacksonville last year.
Bottomline…I still think we are short of $6m as our total NIL expenditure for this season. I am not going to disparage specific players on the roster and say what I think they are getting paid individually.
but if we use Clark, Payne, and Hines making around $700k as the baseline and then tier the rest of the players from there based on their 2024-25 performance, I don’t believe it adds up to $6m. The math isn’t mathing to me.
If it truly is $6M, then the only way to get that high is for every player to be getting at least the minimum wage of $250,000.
Plus a handful of guys being in the $400-500k range.
like I said…I’m not going to put a number next to each individual name on this forum, but I have my notes and it doesn’t add up to be that high.
If anyone would like to take on that exercise I would love to see how you think we got to $6m.
Payne has been much better than I thought. For all the things he can’t do, there are things he most certainly can at this level. I was no doubt wrong about the player I thought we were getting.
The price tags are also heavily tied to positional value. Skilled and/or experienced bigs are always way more expensive. Payne and Hines are MILES ahead of what we’ve had lately.
Payne is a pretty good BE center. I would simply flip roles between him and Hines. We need to play Hines more; he’s a better fit for what we’re lacking and need to adjust to. The gap in minutes in BE games is too extensive for me. If Hines can’t stay on the court from fouls, so be it.
Payne is a pretty good BE center. I would simply flip roles between him and Hines. We need to play Hines more; he’s a better fit for what we’re lacking and need to adjust to. The gap in minutes in BE games is too extensive for me. If Hines can’t stay on the court from fouls, so be it.
Ok so bottom line you don’t believe in either of dans reports..the 6 million or the Payne being the highest
So how much did we spend according to you and where would you put us in terms of the big east?
I think we are somewhere in the 5s and below that prior to signing Hines.
I believe that puts us in the bottom 4 of the BE with DePaul, Xavier, and Butler.
Interesting..that does seem different than what Dan has reported…is that what your sources say?
So, with that I would say no matter what Sha should be praised for rising to the top/mid of the league based on spending..right?
Does it really matter what we spent? At this point the season is coming to a close with 8 games left and the BE tourney. IT is what it is. The big question for me is can we build on this year's remarkable turnaround, or do we take 2 steps backwards?
Who stays, who comes and how much money we have for next year to build on this year's improvement!
Who stays, who comes and how much money we have for next year to build on this year's improvement!
There will be changes. Heck, we have 4 players without eligibility (Payne, Staton-McCray, Fisher, Rivera).
I hope we can begin to have some continuity. Clark, Hines, Simpkins, and Parker. Get a legit 4 and a shooter.
Also, now paramount to have a decent backup PG. The player does not have to be tremendous, but a backup that can provide some stable minutes.
He's kidding right? He wants us to feel sorry for him? for Houston?So than why has that been repeated as the number here?
Don’t you also “disagree” that Payne is our highest paid player even though that has also been reported several times
What is your info to refute these?
Oh and btw
Kelvin Sampson bemoans Houston NIL budget: 'We're poor'
Houston coach Kelvin Sampson said his top-10 team can't sign more recruits because the school's athletic department is "very poor."
To think, this is the guy the media has been building up as the sympathetic coach, "Oh he has been doing this for so long always has a great team, battle you defensively, just can't get over the top for that national championship. If anyone deserves it, its Kelvin Sampson."
They crying, whining Kelvin Sampson? That one?
Stop
I am not sure the exact number is all that important; it is relative to the specifics of the situation; meaning, last year was right before the "rules" (to the extent there are any) kicked in; so schools went hog wild before the $20 million cap was in place.
Next year? who knows. What I do know is....we don't have enough money to compete and produce a team capable of being higher than 7th in the league, on a year in, year out basis. Lets keep in mind that this year is an anomaly with Creighton and Marquette both being down (one being WAY down) and that will likely not recur.
So, unless we get enough funds to sign some offensively talented players...this is where we will live for the foreseeable future.
WE need to sign at least one big time offensive (shooter) player and keep Hines and Clark .
I would think Parker is outta here. It’s pretty clear he’s a mid major player, especially if he wants more minutes. No loss there.
Clark, Hines, Simpkins would all be welcomed back. Who knows though. Maybe Simpkins doesn’t want to come off the bench anymore. Maybe Hines wants 7 figures, it’s so early in the process
We absolutely need some continuity and there are several players on this team to build with. Very hard to know how teams will spend with the new rules but I seriously doubt that money will go down. If our budget was 6 this year (I believe we spent a bit less) then we have to hope the school will be willing to go higher this year. In my opinion we need that $8M average BE budget but figure we are maybe 6.5-7.
Hines is going to be in-demand. Sha will have to wrap his head around going to 1.5 or more to keep him. In my opinion he's worth it in this market and then you have to hope Godswill can be a low-priced backup if you believe he's healthy and you have your 2 Bigs for a similar price as Payne & Hines this year
Budd will have value but the fact he can't shoot 3's will prevent him from getting crazy offers. Maybe $1-1.2m?
Simpkins should be 700-800 as he's a BE-level starter IMO. Parker & Williams maybe 300-400 each as BE-level rotation types. I'd probably keep 1 of them depending on budget and how much Sha trusts them to work hard and improve.
That's your returning nucleus now you need 2 starters (PF and SG)and a solid bench scorer, ideally all of these guys bring shooting/offensive skills. I'd allocate almost everything I have left on these 3 players. Ideally that's at least $2.5M and you have 8 players for around $6.5M. You have Payday coming so thats 9, spend whatever is left filling the roster.
Hines is going to be in-demand. Sha will have to wrap his head around going to 1.5 or more to keep him. In my opinion he's worth it in this market and then you have to hope Godswill can be a low-priced backup if you believe he's healthy and you have your 2 Bigs for a similar price as Payne & Hines this year
Budd will have value but the fact he can't shoot 3's will prevent him from getting crazy offers. Maybe $1-1.2m?
Simpkins should be 700-800 as he's a BE-level starter IMO. Parker & Williams maybe 300-400 each as BE-level rotation types. I'd probably keep 1 of them depending on budget and how much Sha trusts them to work hard and improve.
That's your returning nucleus now you need 2 starters (PF and SG)and a solid bench scorer, ideally all of these guys bring shooting/offensive skills. I'd allocate almost everything I have left on these 3 players. Ideally that's at least $2.5M and you have 8 players for around $6.5M. You have Payday coming so thats 9, spend whatever is left filling the roster.
Add Simpkins to the above. He is a high quality shooter. Losing him and replacing him with another shooter is a wash.
As for Hines...many schools are going to be targeting him. Rutgers for instance has him as their #1 target. The school is going to have to up last years figure of $6M by a lot.
We too have to do our part. How would you like to be playing St John's or Rutgers with Hines on their roster? It could happen unless we and the school step up.