Why the nabc decided to do away with monitors in last min of reg for a gimmick challenge system is mind boggling...guys couldn't play with a lead...sha allowing budd to get a 3rd foul under a min in first half is unbecoming since he was well you know a star pg himself...changed the complete energy of the start of the 2nd half and usc was relentless in challenging
Rigged hose job
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We are obviously very aggressive on D (although much less so in the second half with the foul trouble), but USC shot 17 second half free throws before we shot our first. That is inexplicable.
Rather than evening out, we finish the game with a phantom bailout foul on a fadeaway heave, and a botched out of bounds call. Great.
Rather than evening out, we finish the game with a phantom bailout foul on a fadeaway heave, and a botched out of bounds call. Great.
Clark’s third foul with a minute left in the first half was a killer. Why Sha didn’t take him out the last two minutes of the half is beyond me.
But they can steal 5 minutes of our lives to take 3 seconds off the clock.
The announcers said Sha couldn’t challenge the missed out of bounds call because he burned his challenge in the first half. I don’t think that ever happened?
Jerry said that it’s because he didn’t have a timeout. I guess this will teach coaches to always leave a timeout in their pocket? Didn’t think he needed to burn his last one with 29 seconds anyway but that’s neither here nor there. The rule stinks!
The announcers said Sha couldn’t challenge the missed out of bounds call because he burned his challenge in the first half. I don’t think that ever happened?
Jerry said that it’s because he didn’t have a timeout. I guess this will teach coaches to always leave a timeout in their pocket? Didn’t think he needed to burn his last one with 29 seconds anyway but that’s neither here nor there. The rule stinks!
Sha trusted Clark too much in that situation. Clark needs to be smarter there. Should have sat him is right.
Saw that ball was off usc player immediately and that was sitting on a barstool 6000 miles away..
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Ah yes, the ole every timeout is “burned” POV unless it’s taken with 1 second left on the clock.
Timeouts can be extremely valuable at any point. Don’t be brainwashed by ESPN
i hated leaving budd in last minute 1st half. KW did it too and i didnt like that either
LOL what dude? I didn’t like using the last timeout with 29 seconds left. Had no idea the challenge rule was even a thing honestly. Last timeout could have been needed on an inbounds play or a later possession. In such a tight game with a lot of time left, I didn’t love the timeout. Did ESPN call it a bad timeout? If they did, I have no idea. If they didn’t then I gotta ask what you what you’re even talking about.
I don't recall any challenge being used in the first half. I couldn't believe Sha didn't challenge that out of bounds play. I still don't understand what the deal was on that.
What were those refs, legally blind? The ball completely changed directions after hitting the USC player's thigh. None of the refs saw that? Bizarre especially after such a lopsided called game foul wise.
What were those refs, legally blind? The ball completely changed directions after hitting the USC player's thigh. None of the refs saw that? Bizarre especially after such a lopsided called game foul wise.
Rather than complaining about the calls lets control what we can.
We need a capable back up to Clark for 10 mpg.
We need Godswill back so we can play two Bigs at the same time when we're getting killed on the boards.
Do that and we'll be OK.Already way better than last year.
We need a capable back up to Clark for 10 mpg.
We need Godswill back so we can play two Bigs at the same time when we're getting killed on the boards.
Do that and we'll be OK.Already way better than last year.
I don't recall a challenge or mention of one either. That doesn't mean one didn't happen.
My issue was Sha calling a timeout after a made basket less than a minute after the first media timeout of the second half. We then used another a few minutes later -- after we had fallen behind -- that took the place of the second media timeout of the half. I was ok with the last one as he was trying to set up a play after a dead ball.
In my view there were two separate timing issues that should have been a wash. The officials accounted for the time when the clock was briefly stopped after Staton-McCray's basket that tied the score at 78. However, they did not account for two seconds running off the clock after the contact on the Payne foul. Had we executed properly down the stretch, that could have played in our favor.
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Common fouls are not reviewable with the exception of plays involving a secondary defender in the restricted area.
the worst timeout was after they took five minutes to correct the game clock, we inbound, dribble across halfcourt, and immediately take our last timeout - why??? The coaches had ages to draw up a play instead - I said it was bad when it happened. But that it cost us the ability to challenge the out of bounds call which obviously would have been overturned and could have turned a loss into a win makes it especially brutal
We can’t play two of our bigs at the same time - think what we’re lacking and will hurt us at different times this season is the lack of a true athletic power forward. Payne isn’t mobile enough to play that role against good competition…
What no one is talking about is why in the heck did we stop pressing? It seemed like as soon as USC got close in the second half we should have resumed the pressure. And when Sha did resume pressing he did it about 2 to 3 minutes too late close to the end of the game. He waited too long.
We let USC slow the game down into a half court game.
We let USC slow the game down into a half court game.
Disagree regarding Payne. I see him as very mobile and athletic. Better suited as a 4 than a 5.
I know that whining about officiating is poo-pooed, but the call on Payne with 27 seconds left really cost us the game. Nothing mattered after that. There were 3 seconds left on the shot clock, the USC player (who was very good) took a very low-percentage shot, and we would have had the ball and a timeout with the shot clock off. That was a horrible whistle. I texted a friend and fellow poster here, and remembered that Louie Orr's team lost in Maui to Duke by 1-2 points on a last second horrible call 20 years ago.
USC is good. Definitely a sweet sixteen caliber team. The refs were atrocious but with that being said, I believe it was against Monmouth we fouled 4 times in one possession. If they’re calling it against Monmouth they will call it against USC. We do hack quite a bit trying to block shots and get steals.
USC wanted no part of our physicality in the first 15 minutes. The whistle started tightening up and we had to play less aggressive on D, USC got into a rhythm. Ballgame.
USC wanted no part of our physicality in the first 15 minutes. The whistle started tightening up and we had to play less aggressive on D, USC got into a rhythm. Ballgame.
USC was picked 12th in the Big10 by Blue Ribbon. Sweet16?
Hopefully the supervisor of these refs take a long look at the call on Payne. No contact at all. The Ref needs to be asked what he saw. These refs get paid good money so to make terrible calls like this one need to be called out and dealt with.
I actually looked this up because I asked a few times yesterday when I was too lazy to do so. No one answered so I assumed they were picked exactly where you just posted.
I don’t get why folks have to do the spin with this stuff. They are obviously a much better opponent than the stuff we played before Maui. But there is a gigantic difference between that and a Sweet 16 caliber team. And then account for the fact that their best player got hurt in the first half and missed the second half. No one is saying they don’t have some individual talent and they were Kenpom 40 coming into the game. But about a week ago they edged the behemoth Troy by one point.
The victim in me says it's not going to come up, given that we are Seton Hall.
We were picked last means nothing really
No could not be since we have 10 to 12 guys that can play and press. Only 3 guys were in foul trouble.
Means nothing right now but the season has not played out. We could still finish last. There is reason to hope that is not so but we still have much to prove.
specially in this new era.
we got some tough foul calls leading to foul troubles for 2 key players. refs missed a critical inbounds play. usc shot well. we shot fts poorly for the first time. and with 30 seconds left it was tied. tough way to lose but win today and stamp this trip a huge succeess.
10 to 12? With 3 guys out with injuries and Riveria recovering from injury & not playing well, we have 9 players. Bunch of guys had varying levels of foul issue, I also assume one of reason we stopped pressing had to do with fouls.
Check the post in the replies for slow mo footage of Parker’s dunk.. 
At least we got away with that.
At least we got away with that.
Only Clark and Williams of our guards/small forwards were in foul trouble with 5 minutes to go into the game. That left a bunch of kids that could fill in. Sha was too slow on the trigger to get the press going again. There were bodies available. It had to be done to disrupt USC from slowing the game down, using clock, playing half court and using their size advantage (14 plus rebounds).