That is a very high number and I believe it happened early in the season. Don’t anyone freak out on this comment and i’m sure not saying this is what happened at Hayesville but I have seen kids over the years that are not happy with coaching or they see the team is going to have a long season and want to stay away from injuries so they will be able to play basketball take the easy way out. Again, this is not pointed at any one team but I have seen it happen. Someone injured part or all of football season all of a sudden are running like a deer on the basketball court
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What coaching techniques would prevent a kid from breaking his collarbone? What kind of strength and conditioning program prevents a kid from getting his knee rolled up on from the side? Wow man do you read what you type?
Hayesville has had 28 to 32 kids play the last couple of years! There hasn’t been many that came through that didn’t play football? I know in 2016 basketball had to cancel games because we won a playoff game. Just bad luck this year which would have possibly been a turn around season for Dockery!
It would not have been a turn around season..The only difference is that Hayesville might have beat Andrews..With all their starters healthy they still don't beat Murphy Robbinsville Swain or Cherokee.
Strength prevents injuries. Hayesville was one of the weakest teams we played. Our freshman and sophomore lineman threw them around like ragdolls.
I was surprised to see their numbers last night with all the injuries I have read about. They had more players than I thought they would. My hat is off to their Coach and players. I think Coach Dockery tried everything he could to find a way to win
We are really short on playmakers. We have only had 2 wr/rb that have started every game.
Wow. If you get hired at Hayesville, rent dont buy. Pack light. I think Dockery is doing ok for what he has. It’s tough Hayesville is not a football school and you have to respect a man that would step into that situation knowing you have Murphy, Swain, Robbinsville and as of lately Cherokee on your schedule every year. Don’t care who your non conference games are against those are potentially 4 losses almost every year. Not trying to ruffle feathers or in this case wings but the truth is the truth. Just a outside opinion looking in.
A couple of them might have made a difference against Swain, a 21-20 final.
Exactly, Dockery has done a good job. He deals with players fairly and applies fair standards to all players. Players are his first priority followed by winning. Hayesville is a tough place to build a program. With the exception of Murphy and Swain all the schools in the conference have years where it is difficult to compete in the best conference in the state. A big factor has been the ability to maintain a consistent JV staff. I believe there has been three complete staff turnovers in the last few years.
Br549 wants a clean sweep of all the coaches. Not even going into the reasons or in my view, lack of reasons. Let's just look at the practical side of this. Let's see of the six varsity coaches, five are employed in the schools. All do a good job in the classroom. They were hired as teachers who became coaches. I would think all would stay on as teachers, so where do you hire coaches to fill the void? Perhaps br549 will donate the funding to hire a complete new staff.
Here is a side note, Coach is tied for 4th on the all time list of playoff victories at Hayesville.
With community support from people like you, why would any of the coaches want to return? Hopefully you can be one of the volunteer coaches. I can see the prospect of youth league coaches striking fear in Gentry, Walsh, etc.... Youth league coaches do a good job but there is a tremendous difference in midgets and high school.
By the way I like the irony of your screen name, very fitting that it comes from the show "Hee Haw".
Wow, you know so little about what has happened. Nobody "gave up" on Coach Walsh. At the time he was Hayesville's offensive coordinator , Setzer was head coach. Coach Walsh was offered the head coach position in his hometown and accepted it. I find it hard to believe he would leave Robbinsville and the success he has had to return to Hayesville. Let me correct your error on the timeframe of athletes. Midgets are primarily 7th graders, most(probably 95%) move to varsity as 10th graders. That's a period of 3 years. A lot can happen in those years, some stop growing, others will grow more or get faster as they mature. Some will devote themselves to the weight room, others avoid it like the plague. Parents and players must commit to physical improvement. Just going to the weight room doesn't build muscle.
I suspect you are just bitter towards the program due to a family member not having the success you think they deserve. Your views are very biased. Other school's coaches have been very complimentary of aspects of our team. Even a poster on this thread mentioned that we did "well for what we have".
Let me help you with one other point. Hew Haw was a country music show (comprised of very talented people), not a circus. Do you realize that performers in that show or a circus put hundreds of hours into their practice and are some of the best in the world. Are you saying our staff and team are some of the best in the world or are just confused? Also I have been to the Barnum and Bailey circus a few times and do not recall donkeys being a part of the show, so why does Hee Haw remind you of a circus?
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Hayesville was devasted by injuries and have a young team, if they can keep those sophomores (and McTaggart) in the program they are in line for a solid season next year.
I agree. I think the silver lining to this season is that a lot of players got experience that will pay off in the next couple of years.
Yes, Hayesville fans wanted Coach Walsh back, but did he want to come back? I'm on staff? I have not been to a single football practice this year, guess again. The weight program was taken away? I am sure it wasn't because of the football staff. Sometimes players have to choose a sport to focus on. The saying jack of all trades and master of none has some merit. They can play other sports but must commit themselves to one. And thank you for sharing this. It confirms my theory that you are a bitter, disgruntled parent. Posters from Andrews, Murphy and Robbinsville have made positive comments about the team but you are too poisoned to see it. Glad you got to vent. I bet most readers will now discard your posts for what they are- the angry rants of a parent. If the main focus is football, why did YOU bring up the circus?
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McClure or McTaggert. Right now I don't have a clue. Both bring unique skills to the QB position and both add a lot at other spots. In all honesty it is a good problem to have.
My Hee Haw comment was a reference to the fact that your post was like a donkey in the field braying., no point, no reason, just to be heard. I guess it was just another of the many things you don't get. Once again you don't understand that a circus is a highly skilled professional company. And who brought it up again? Another revealing bit of information-"the little click". Why would you refer to it this way? Are you wanting to be a coach but have been rejected? Is that why you keep wanting to propose using volunteer coaches? Is this really more about you than the program and your using the tough times to rant?
Continue to FAIL? I guess that depends on your definition of failure. This staff truly gets what's important, they are husbands, fathers, teachers, deacons, and Sunday school teachers among other things. Many of the players who have played for them have grown as young men and gone on to serve their country, start careers or attend college. In the end I will take that kind of staff over one that wins. I guess we need to add this to the list of things you don't get.
Again you have no clue. Football in not by itself. It is more than wins and losses. It is about relationships and personal growth. In our time of broken homes and lower emphasis on family life, some coaches may have more of an effect on young people than their parents. Have you ever had a coach like that? This is that type of group. I know you don't get it. That's ok, keep your blinders on and just look at wins.
I see it both ways. They are not a fan around that doesn’t want their team to win and play at a high level. It’s hard being at the bottom of the conference year in an out. Former players and fans see a new group of players come through and have high hopes it will turn around the program and when it doesn’t it gets frustrating. You see the athletes and know their potential to win is just as good as Murphy, Swain or Robbinsville. After 3 to 4 years you start to question the coaching staff and that it might be time for a change. I remember back in the late 70’s and early 80’s Murphy’s program got so down that one year Murphy only had like 18 players. They made the change and look what they have accomplished with the right coach. Most of our teams at the bottom of the SMC believe we have the athletes in our school to be just as good as the top 3 in the conference if we could just find that one coach. Gentry done it for Murphy so it is possible for our teams to
We are living in bad times with many kids living in broken homes often left alone and with no role model to lead them in the right way. It’s special when you have a coaching staff that goes above and beyond to be a person that can keep them on the right path. It’s something that most kids will never forget. But someone has to lose right ? It teaches character and to never quit when things get tough ! The bond of the players on a 1& 9 team are just as strong as the players on a State Championship team !!
But most fans still want both. They want to win and they want a coach who is a leader and is a great influence on young men. Do you think for 1 minute if Coach Gentry was to have a couple of bad seasons that he wouldn’t be on the hot seat. I remember well one year early in his career in Murphy with like a 6 & 4 season the bulldog fans in the stands were growling and grumbling just like Andrews, Hayesville & Rosman fans do most every year. So like I said, I see it both ways. Why can’t we have it both ways !! Never be happy with losing !! Maybe one day our teams will find their Coach Gentry or Coach Walsh !!
But always keep rooting for your team win or lose, through the good times and the bad
It’s all about the money .... empty stands on friday nights equals broke athletic accounts. Football funds 95% of a schools athletic funds for the year. It’s the only sport that actually makes money, the others are dead losers. A team makes a good run in the playoffs and hosts a few home games at 12 to $15,000 at the gate buys a lot of baseball uniforms. Hats off to coach Dockery for stepping in at a non football school knowing the schedule isnt gonna change anytime soon. Go knights
I played at Hayesville and support them in every way! We have gone through 4 head coaches since Setzer left. When does it become apparent to people that maybe the coaches aren’t the problem? Hayesville has had 13 season above .500 since 1972 and numerous coaches during that span. So what makes the Friday night coaches sitting in the stands think that it is a coaching issue. And the strength program u are referring to wasn’t working when Dockery took over he had one player benching over 250 and now he had 2 over 315 and a lot more well over the 250. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Maybe if people like u br549 would shut their mouths and quit bashing the efforts the coaches are putting in then maybe the kids would buy in! But yeah let’s have another clean slate. Repeating the same thing over and over expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. What is funny is setzer had two losing season when he first came to Hayesville and the bleacher idiots were wanting him gone also glad they didn’t get rid of him at the time! I have talked to Dee many times and no it was never an option for him to come back but he said he would love to help over here when he retires. Dockery is a great guy and some of the players have even come to him about questions of faith and his beliefs! They seek advice for real life from him and that is someone I like around my kids!
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Ask most of the kids what they think about the coach that got ejected! I guarantee most will say he is great. Ask the coach why he got ejected. All you saw was the ejection! He was upset over some late hits out of bounds and was told to shut his mouth by an official. Go ask him he will tell you he is straight forward.
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Oh yeah by the way Hayesville lost its last remaining running back Smith #32 with a torn ACL! That must have been Dockery and his staffs fault also! So now it is at around 8 starters gone or injured numerous games! People wonder why they can’t win hell they should be undefeated!
When a program is in a great conference, and is surrounded by success, but struggling to win, it does become discouraging and the coaching position becomes a revolving door. We have the same problem in the WHC with Madison, Avery, and Owen. Mountain Heritage was the doormat for years, to the point no one cared that the new coach wasn't winning games. Then, out of the blue, 6 years later, the Cougars were in the state championship, and haven't looked back since. A coach needs at least 3-4 years to get a program on track. And when I say on track, I mean 3 years to win maybe 2 games. Then, they should be winning 4-5 games. By 5 years, his program should be fully implemented, with a roster of players that have been under his general rule since middle school. I shudder to think of the great potential coaches that have been booted after 2 seasons, and never had the urge to coach again.
And just remember, no matter how bad your team is, they aren't Madison!
And just remember, no matter how bad your team is, they aren't Madison!
Mitchell and Murphy have talent dotted all over the field, and they couldn't survive losing 8 starters.
Absolutely the truth! I believe alot of it is where you coach though if you get a fair shake, community and the school must have realistic expectations
Omg. This is getting ridiculous.. Could it be the turf..there is a pattern here,year after year. Man I hate this for jackets fans.
It happened at Andrews and he played the rest of the game! Tough kid he is just a junior! I don’t like the turf I miss standing on the fence in the back of the end zone watching the games.