There's some crappy stuff sprinkled throughout the NT and has been used to incite wars. Plus, you have to take the OT into consideration if you're a Christian, which has some deplorable teachings.
There's some crappy stuff sprinkled throughout the NT and has been used to incite wars. Plus, you have to take the OT into consideration if you're a Christian, which has some deplorable teachings.
I'm not religious, I don't care if people are...but there's no proof to say those who are athiest are less moral, ppl typically just take some figure just the same as people anti Christian and pretend like it's a poster for their stance. Morals have nothing to do with religion, after all offering punishment or reward doesn't make anyone moral at all...do this you go to heaven, do this you dont. I would think being innately moral would be superior rather then having to be told what is moral. You picked a lot of world leaders who did bad things, but you left out the countless scientists who are atheist who continually push the advancement of our society forward. Religion in fact held our society back, it was called the dark ages...when the advancement of societies in Rome and Greece and other were halted along with other thriving civilizations in south America for instance (you know ones that existed at the same time as Jesus, yet God decided to pick one small part of Earth), or the countless battles that it now Islam have caused. Yeah sure conflict has arisen everywhere but tell me where the 10 commandments forbid rape, slavery, incest, child abuse, and animal cruelty...it doesnt. So clearly us as a society can realize what's right and wrong without religion, especially one that's full of rape and enslavement of ppl.But with all due respect, you're a religious bigot. I mean, this is the third time I've seen you make those kinds of statements.
I hate to break this to ya, but everyone fought with everyone for centuries homeboy. People evolve in time, and you cannot name a single place on this map that at one time or another weren't fighting. So lets separate that because you are conflating issues that have nothing to do with one another, a usual tactic by people of your belief. Ususally next they try and paint "all religion" under a bad light instead of highlighting the bad one. Another tactic used.
How do you justify your position when supposed atheism and the absence of God has created far more destruction in the world than a peaceful religion like Christianity? Studies from all over prove without Christian interaction philanthropy would take a huge nose dive. What do you have against helping the needy and impoverished? For a non believer what more would you want out of a religion. Peaceful, offers their survives to all, feeds the poor, helps the needy. You don't accept the message of Christ? Ok. So past the fairy tales and hellish comic book section of the bible, why do you care?
And hell, I mean, self identified atheist have given us so much more as an alternative. Napoleon Bonaparte, Alfred Kinsey, Kim Jong II, Benito Mussolini etc. Those lightweight anti-religious atheist like Pol Pot and Joseph Stalin. Great examples of great worldly atheist.
Give me a break.
If you are willing to die for a just and altruistic cause, whether that be for a kid in the street or the feeling that you are spiritually saving thousands, it shows incredible self actualization and a thinking past most common people.
Not trying to change the topic but I keep forgetting which thread I'm in.
I will stick with the Atheist Atrocities Fallacy as my go to.
There's some crappy stuff sprinkled throughout the NT and has been used to incite wars. Plus, you have to take the OT into consideration if you're a Christian, which has some deplorable teachings.
Hitler was not a self proclaimed Christian, Hitler used Christianity to get elected because the German population was Christian.
Kind of like our President.
Timothy Mcveigh is not a nation, nor is the KKK.
My point was when a nation, limits or tries to remove religion what exactly do you call that?
Anyway, I was being serious when I said I didn't understand what atheism is.
This ain't true. There are some crazy Christian groups in the Eastern world perpetrating atrocities in the name of their religion (and other baseless reasons), including but not limited to the LRA and Anti Balaka groups in central Africa and NLFT of Northern India and Bangladesh. Their recent horrific crimes are just eclipsed in scale and scope by crazy Muslim groups.
Obviously extremist Islamic terrorist organizations are of major concern, but the ideological battle should be against extremism in general, not focused on one religion.
Yes, I know you will. Probably much easier for you that way? The truth can be super inconvenient, especially on the topic of atheists behaving badly.
I'm sorry Joseph Stalin's own words contradict your atheist apologetics web site. Since you trust the internet more that Stalin's own mouth, would you like me to point you to another more knowledgeable atheist apologetic web site that admits Stalin was an atheist? (because I can)
Anyway, don't feel bad Willy - I don't think Uncle Joe killed millions of people because he was an atheist - I think he killed millions of people because he was an *******.
I get it. I really do.
Atheists: Hitler was a Christian.
Christians: No he wasn't
Christians: Stalin was Atheist
Atheists: No he wasn't.
I get it. Just depends on what side of the coin.
This ain't true. There are some crazy Christian groups in the Eastern world perpetrating atrocities in the name of their religion (and other baseless reasons), including but not limited to the LRA and Anti Balaka groups in central Africa and NLFT of Northern India and Bangladesh. Their recent horrific crimes are just eclipsed in scale and scope by crazy Muslim groups.
Obviously extremist Islamic terrorist organizations are of major concern, but the ideological battle should be against extremism in general, not focused on one religion.
And they are acting according to the teachings of muhammed.Who really cares if Stalin and hitler were Christian at some point in there life. Neither had millions of people killed in the name of Christianity.
All of these Muslim terrorists are killing in the name of Islam! And that's what we are dealing with.
The problem is wait for it. IslamNot really. Just have better understanding of the problems than you do.
You're no different than average ignorant American who thinks the problem with the Middle east is about Islam vs Christianity. That's actually pretty stupid. But I like said, whatever.
The problem is wait for it. Islam
Islam vs ____ fill in the blank.
And people like you are too dumb to realize it.
Or think you are so smart you have it figured out.
I am not ignorant at all. The evidence is growing day by day. It is only going to get worse. But please stay walking in the dark.
Except that there isn't anything taught anywhere in the Christian Greek ("NT") that teaches or supports going to war and killing people.
We as Americans should not sit here bickering over atheism vs Christianity. That is what those sand monkeys want us to do. We must unite and destroy every last woman, man, child that share every sentiment that they do. They will never stop, until people realize this, bombings and massacres will continue
Interesting. Are those "crazy Christian groups" acting in accord with the teachings of Jesus Christ?
Oh killing people who want us dead is genocide? I didn't realize that's what genocide was.So we stop massacres by performing genocide. Makes sense.
Oh killing people who want us dead is genocide? I didn't realize that's what genocide was.
The difference between self-proclaimed Christians committing heinous acts and muslims committing similar acts is that such behaving Christians are acting outside the teachings of the author of Christianity whereas muslims that go around killing non-believers ARE acting according to the teachings of muhammed. (quaran 2: 191- 193)
Oh killing people who want us dead is genocide? I didn't realize that's what genocide was.
Perrin and the mime think we pounded the muzzies. Ask the Germans what a pounding is?
Ok? Well genocide is not what I am applying. I'm talking about every single member of Isis or Islamic terrorist group. If you view killing them as genocide then you are part of the problemIf you don't know, now you know
There are many on the left whose agenda is so driven that they must find obscure references to include Christianity so as to paint all religions as bad.The problem is nearly made up entirely of a political ideology connected to islam. True christian faith is based on the promise of good, not evil, and the promotion of salvation. It has nothing to do with waging war on anyone, actually quite the opposite.
I give credit for saying the words "islamic extremist". That's tough for some in your circles.
We as Americans should not sit here bickering over atheism vs Christianity. That is what those sand monkeys want us to do. We must unite and destroy every last woman, man, child that share every sentiment that they do. They will never stop, until people realize this, bombings and massacres will continue
No, Mister Absolutist, just disproportionately by far to their numbers.
Dying for a noble belief and cause is one thing. That's not what Islam is doing. They are killing for a political ideology mascaraing as a religion. That's what Islam is. They want to have full control over women for sex, children for their war, and the people for power. Sharia law is an ideology that most Muslims actually agree with in one form or another. And if you support it, you are nothing close to peaceful.
You are too ignorant to post, please go back to hiding your head in the sand and lockstepping to the left agenda while texting on your Obama phone.what an absolute disgrace that this post is still up
the insistence that violent fundamentalist christians don't exist is laughable. there are several in this thread
chris kyle and netanyahu aren't any better than jihadists
"A former co-worker of Omar Mateen said their employer, G4S Security, refused to take any action against Mateen for his completely unhinged and insane remarks for fear of being labeled politically incorrect."
If You See Something, Say Something!!!
(It's almost like that was nothing more than an empty slogan or something.)
Knocking it out of the park.Stupid people need to quit trying to equate what Christians have done in the past with what is happening now. It just makes you look stupid. Lets deal with the here and now and fix the problem. Follow the left if you want to and suffer their fate.