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Ukbrassowtipin

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But with all due respect, you're a religious bigot. I mean, this is the third time I've seen you make those kinds of statements.

I hate to break this to ya, but everyone fought with everyone for centuries homeboy. People evolve in time, and you cannot name a single place on this map that at one time or another weren't fighting. So lets separate that because you are conflating issues that have nothing to do with one another, a usual tactic by people of your belief. Ususally next they try and paint "all religion" under a bad light instead of highlighting the bad one. Another tactic used.

How do you justify your position when supposed atheism and the absence of God has created far more destruction in the world than a peaceful religion like Christianity? Studies from all over prove without Christian interaction philanthropy would take a huge nose dive. What do you have against helping the needy and impoverished? For a non believer what more would you want out of a religion. Peaceful, offers their survives to all, feeds the poor, helps the needy. You don't accept the message of Christ? Ok. So past the fairy tales and hellish comic book section of the bible, why do you care?

And hell, I mean, self identified atheist have given us so much more as an alternative. Napoleon Bonaparte, Alfred Kinsey, Kim Jong II, Benito Mussolini etc. Those lightweight anti-religious atheist like Pol Pot and Joseph Stalin. Great examples of great worldly atheist.

Give me a break.

If you are willing to die for a just and altruistic cause, whether that be for a kid in the street or the feeling that you are spiritually saving thousands, it shows incredible self actualization and a thinking past most common people.

Not trying to change the topic but I keep forgetting which thread I'm in.
I'm not religious, I don't care if people are...but there's no proof to say those who are athiest are less moral, ppl typically just take some figure just the same as people anti Christian and pretend like it's a poster for their stance. Morals have nothing to do with religion, after all offering punishment or reward doesn't make anyone moral at all...do this you go to heaven, do this you dont. I would think being innately moral would be superior rather then having to be told what is moral. You picked a lot of world leaders who did bad things, but you left out the countless scientists who are atheist who continually push the advancement of our society forward. Religion in fact held our society back, it was called the dark ages...when the advancement of societies in Rome and Greece and other were halted along with other thriving civilizations in south America for instance (you know ones that existed at the same time as Jesus, yet God decided to pick one small part of Earth), or the countless battles that it now Islam have caused. Yeah sure conflict has arisen everywhere but tell me where the 10 commandments forbid rape, slavery, incest, child abuse, and animal cruelty...it doesnt. So clearly us as a society can realize what's right and wrong without religion, especially one that's full of rape and enslavement of ppl.

Again, I don't care if people need something to believe to assume that's the reason for life...or in other words to stop asking questions. But to act like people who aren't religious have nothing to provide is equally silly. Especially in America, the second most religious populous on Earth, where to run for office, for example, you have to lie about your religious affiliation to get elected. Who knows how many people in Congress are actually agnostic or athiest..but they have to say they believe in things that science ever more threatens because people are too closed minded to reason with anything else...like that the Bible was influenced directly on everyone's surroundings and how they perceived the world with what knowledge they had....just the same if zero ability to know the outside world existed today, someone in Pikeville would think the World was a lot different than what someone in Chicago thought it was. What does anyone have against the needy you ask? Nothing, why do you have to be religious to qualify to care. Because seemingly lately it seems with God letting thousands of children die of starvation every single day, you would think churches would worry about that, more than men playing swords with their penises...or maybe they could take the taxes they don't pay and feed those ppl.

I'm not getting into a religious battle, it's a lost cause. People are certainly free to believe what they want, especially if it gives them peace or hope or whatever. But it's annoying when people become dogmatic and are scared and have to push things away because they don't understand it, are unwilling to, or afraid to learn new knowledge.
 
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I will stick with the Atheist Atrocities Fallacy as my go to.

Yes, I know you will. Probably much easier for you that way? The truth can be super inconvenient, especially on the topic of atheists behaving badly.

I'm sorry Joseph Stalin's own words contradict your atheist apologetics web site. Since you trust the internet more that Stalin's own mouth, would you like me to point you to another more knowledgeable atheist apologetic web site that admits Stalin was an atheist? (because I can)

Anyway, don't feel bad Willy - I don't think Uncle Joe killed millions of people because he was an atheist - I think he killed millions of people because he was an *******.
 

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There's some crappy stuff sprinkled throughout the NT and has been used to incite wars. Plus, you have to take the OT into consideration if you're a Christian, which has some deplorable teachings.

Except that there isn't anything taught anywhere in the Christian Greek ("NT") that teaches or supports going to war and killing people.
 

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Hitler was not a self proclaimed Christian, Hitler used Christianity to get elected because the German population was Christian.
Kind of like our President.

Timothy Mcveigh is not a nation, nor is the KKK.

My point was when a nation, limits or tries to remove religion what exactly do you call that?

Anyway, I was being serious when I said I didn't understand what atheism is.

Neither McVey nor Hitler complied with the teachings of the author of Christianity. Likewise, neither do kkk cross burners. It's one thing to say you are a Christian but quite another to strive to live in agreement with Christ.
 
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This ain't true. There are some crazy Christian groups in the Eastern world perpetrating atrocities in the name of their religion (and other baseless reasons), including but not limited to the LRA and Anti Balaka groups in central Africa and NLFT of Northern India and Bangladesh. Their recent horrific crimes are just eclipsed in scale and scope by crazy Muslim groups.

Obviously extremist Islamic terrorist organizations are of major concern, but the ideological battle should be against extremism in general, not focused on one religion.

The difference between self-proclaimed Christians committing heinous acts and muslims committing similar acts is that such behaving Christians are acting outside the teachings of the author of Christianity whereas muslims that go around killing non-believers ARE acting according to the teachings of muhammed. (quaran 2: 191- 193)
 

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The Dark ages were caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire, and the order it provided. Barbarians and tyrants filled the void, had nothing to do with religion.
If anything the acceptance of the teachings of Christ brought an end to the dark ages.

Christianity didn't hold back Science, one of the reasons the West flourished is due to the fact the preferred religion didn't hold back advancement.
 

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Yes, I know you will. Probably much easier for you that way? The truth can be super inconvenient, especially on the topic of atheists behaving badly.

I'm sorry Joseph Stalin's own words contradict your atheist apologetics web site. Since you trust the internet more that Stalin's own mouth, would you like me to point you to another more knowledgeable atheist apologetic web site that admits Stalin was an atheist? (because I can)

Anyway, don't feel bad Willy - I don't think Uncle Joe killed millions of people because he was an atheist - I think he killed millions of people because he was an *******.

hahaha

Cujo- I don't think he fits all components of Atheism. He doesn't. Stalin through his own written words was a spiritual person. His context of Atheism is taken out context. What he meant by Atheism is that he doesn't believe in man made God. Otherwise, he does believe in spirituality. I am Atheist. I am unspiritual. He was spiritual. At best Stalin was Agnostic, not Atheist.

Throw in his adamantly opposition to Darwin's Evolution, and you have to answer this question. Name an Atheist that doesn't believe in Evolution. Name one, and I'll listen.
 

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I get it. I really do.

Atheists: Hitler was a Christian.
Christians: No he wasn't

Christians: Stalin was Atheist
Atheists: No he wasn't.

I get it. Just depends on what side of the coin.
This ain't true. There are some crazy Christian groups in the Eastern world perpetrating atrocities in the name of their religion (and other baseless reasons), including but not limited to the LRA and Anti Balaka groups in central Africa and NLFT of Northern India and Bangladesh. Their recent horrific crimes are just eclipsed in scale and scope by crazy Muslim groups.

Obviously extremist Islamic terrorist organizations are of major concern, but the ideological battle should be against extremism in general, not focused on one religion.

Interesting. Are those "crazy Christian groups" acting in accord with the teachings of Jesus Christ? I dare say, very few people would have a problem with anyone acting according to Jesus' model. Problem is: very few of us even come close. (self included)
 

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Who really cares if Stalin and hitler were Christian at some point in there life. Neither had millions of people killed in the name of Christianity.

All of these Muslim terrorists are killing in the name of Islam! And that's what we are dealing with.
And they are acting according to the teachings of muhammed.
 
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Not really. Just have better understanding of the problems than you do.

You're no different than average ignorant American who thinks the problem with the Middle east is about Islam vs Christianity. That's actually pretty stupid. But I like said, whatever.
The problem is wait for it. Islam

Islam vs ____ fill in the blank.

And people like you are too dumb to realize it.
Or think you are so smart you have it figured out.
I am not ignorant at all. The evidence is growing day by day. It is only going to get worse. But please stay walking in the dark.
 
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We as Americans should not sit here bickering over atheism vs Christianity. That is what those sand monkeys want us to do. We must unite and destroy every last woman, man, child that share every sentiment that they do. They will never stop, until people realize this, bombings and massacres will continue
 
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The problem is wait for it. Islam

Islam vs ____ fill in the blank.

And people like you are too dumb to realize it.
Or think you are so smart you have it figured out.
I am not ignorant at all. The evidence is growing day by day. It is only going to get worse. But please stay walking in the dark.

Ok, you sure got me Stonewall. FWIW, I agree with you about Islam. It needs to be eradicated. But understand why it evolved before you try to simplify it a Jesus vs Mohammed battle. You look dumb.
 

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Except that there isn't anything taught anywhere in the Christian Greek ("NT") that teaches or supports going to war and killing people.

That's not true. Corinthians talks of destroying all other rulers to make way for Christ. The Book of Revelations is a feature length film of exterminating non believers with extreme prejudice. To name a couple instances.

Plus, Christianity, for the most part, still relies on the OT and the Ten Commandments, as was mentioned before.
 
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Mime-Is-Money

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We as Americans should not sit here bickering over atheism vs Christianity. That is what those sand monkeys want us to do. We must unite and destroy every last woman, man, child that share every sentiment that they do. They will never stop, until people realize this, bombings and massacres will continue

So we stop massacres by performing genocide. Makes sense.
 

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If I were a terrorist, Mimes would be at the top of my kill list. Don't get comfortable clowns. If a terrorist attacked a mime convention, would they talk?
 

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The difference between self-proclaimed Christians committing heinous acts and muslims committing similar acts is that such behaving Christians are acting outside the teachings of the author of Christianity whereas muslims that go around killing non-believers ARE acting according to the teachings of muhammed. (quaran 2: 191- 193)

The previous verse reads:

Quran 2 - 190 : Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
 

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The problem is nearly made up entirely of a political ideology connected to islam. True christian faith is based on the promise of good, not evil, and the promotion of salvation. It has nothing to do with waging war on anyone, actually quite the opposite.

I give credit for saying the words "islamic extremist". That's tough for some in your circles.
There are many on the left whose agenda is so driven that they must find obscure references to include Christianity so as to paint all religions as bad.
 

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We as Americans should not sit here bickering over atheism vs Christianity. That is what those sand monkeys want us to do. We must unite and destroy every last woman, man, child that share every sentiment that they do. They will never stop, until people realize this, bombings and massacres will continue

what an absolute disgrace that this post is still up

the insistence that violent fundamentalist christians don't exist is laughable. there are several in this thread

chris kyle and netanyahu aren't any better than jihadists
 

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No, Mister Absolutist, just disproportionately by far to their numbers.

oh by all means let's continue to play this game and find out if the u.s has a disproportionately large # of mass shootings or gun deaths or total homicides compared to other industrialized nations
 

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Dying for a noble belief and cause is one thing. That's not what Islam is doing. They are killing for a political ideology mascaraing as a religion. That's what Islam is. They want to have full control over women for sex, children for their war, and the people for power. Sharia law is an ideology that most Muslims actually agree with in one form or another. And if you support it, you are nothing close to peaceful.

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what an absolute disgrace that this post is still up

the insistence that violent fundamentalist christians don't exist is laughable. there are several in this thread

chris kyle and netanyahu aren't any better than jihadists
You are too ignorant to post, please go back to hiding your head in the sand and lockstepping to the left agenda while texting on your Obama phone.
 

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"A former co-worker of Omar Mateen said their employer, G4S Security, refused to take any action against Mateen for his completely unhinged and insane remarks for fear of being labeled politically incorrect."

If You See Something, Say Something!!!

(It's almost like that was nothing more than an empty slogan or something.)

You put quotes around something that was never stated, and thus can't be quoted. At least in that link.
 

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Stupid people need to quit trying to equate what Christians have done in the past with what is happening now. It just makes you look stupid. Lets deal with the here and now and fix the problem. Follow the left if you want to and suffer their fate.
Knocking it out of the park.
 
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