Shooting and Mass Casualties

[Rex Kwon Do]

Amazing how bad some people want this to be a 2nd Amd issue and not a radical Islam issue....I mean, can't we take the guy at his word when he called 911 and said "I pledge allegiance to ISIS"? That not enough?

The problem with this crime is radical Islam, period point blank.

 

[NCukcat62]

ok major dad

Your Islamic brothers are the problem, you piece of **** progressive sissy

 

[EdHochuli'sTriceps]

I have not read any posts in this thread except the last couple. I have a couple issues with the aftermath of this attack. Why are none of these terrorists ever turned in from those around them? (If they had it would definitely be in the news. They print times they are stopping battles among other things.) This is too strange to believe.

Then I read posts from some mentioning the long painstaking things they do such as give blood by waiting in line for hours. Sorry that doesn't compute when I compare it to terrorists never being turned in by those around them. (That type of carnage takes planning and has to be noticed by someone.)

Many of this country's citizens over the "centuries" of it's existence have given their lives defending this country or protecting its citizens. A couple well intention-ed pints of blood doesn't sway me in the least. Let me read about some of the terrorists neighbors turning them into the feds or fighting them off themselves and I will start thinking that supposed immigrants love this country. Until then...

you will never start thinking

 

[NCukcat62]

Amazing how bad some people want this to be a 2nd Amd issue and not a radical Islam issue....I mean, can't we take the guy at his word when he called 911 and said "I pledge allegiance to ISIS"? That not enough?

The problem with this crime is radical Islam, period point blank.

Yep. When someone calls and says I'm pledging myself to Isis, hmmm I wonder what the true problem is

 

[EdHochuli'sTriceps]

Amazing how bad some people want this to be a 2nd Amd issue and not a radical Islam issue....I mean, can't we take the guy at his word when he called 911 and said "I pledge allegiance to ISIS"? That not enough?

The problem with this crime is radical Islam, period point blank.

yeah every mass shooting in this country is the work of a muslim extremist

 

[EdHochuli'sTriceps]

Your Islamic brothers are the problem, you piece of **** progressive sissy

i'd beat you in a fight

name a parking lot and wait for me there

 

[NCukcat62]

i'd beat you in a fight

name a parking lot and wait for me there

Leestown Kroger, *****

 

[BernieSadori]

so Democrats don't say the right words together but Donald Trump gets a pass for everything he says or has said.

If we're ever going to win this we need the more advanced Muslims to win this war. The US can't do it, it just creates even more terrorists. So go ahead and alienate the entire Muslim population by banning them and putting them into camps(something Trump has shown support for!); I'm sure they're more than willing to help. If you think the US just lets any Muslim into the country now without knowing who they are will just believe anything.

After 9/11 this country has had very few attacks compared to the rest of the world. More reporting on it for sure, but I bet if you compare the numbers, we're near the bottom. Access to weapons is a much bigger problem. It is just way too easy for people to get guns these days. I'm sure continuing to do nothing will improve the problem.

I do find it ironic that the two groups who love killings gays are Islamic Extremists and the conservative right wing.

Dumbest thing I've ever read. And that's saying something. Guess I'll say the lefties love killing Jews? See, dumb.

And I agree...putting your enemy in camps is a very Republican thing to do. Just look at WW2......wait, what?

 

[BernieSadori]

Where were all the armed Americans we heard from after the Paris shooting that said they would stop something like this in US?

Gun free zone. Think it would have been as bad if this happened on a city street where open and concealed carry is legal?

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

yeah every mass shooting in this country is the work of a muslim extremist

Huh? Pretty clear which event I'm talking about.

 

[TortElvisII]

Why are none of these terrorists ever turned in from those around them? (If they had it would definitely be in the news. They print times they are stopping battles among other things.) This is too strange to believe.

Then I read posts from some mentioning the long painstaking things they do such as give blood by waiting in line for hours. Sorry that doesn't compute when I compare it to terrorists never being turned in by those around them. (That type of carnage takes planning and has to be noticed by someone.)

Many of this country's citizens over the "centuries" of it's existence have given their lives defending this country or protecting its citizens. A couple well intention-ed pints of blood doesn't sway me in the least. Let me read about some of the terrorists neighbors turning them into the feds or fighting them off themselves and I will start thinking that supposed immigrants love this country. Until then...

We have a winner.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Maybe humans need to belong in a zoo. The most irresponsible species on the planet. Blaming everything underneath the sun for their problems. Blaming gun, blame this, blame that. Absolutely ridiculous. Still doesn't stop the original problem. The human. The human is the problem. But like 90% of America who have agnosia to their own insight, humans will never take the responsibility for anything they do. Instead pass the buck on. That's what we do.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Leestown Kroger, *****

This is getting good!

 

[Bill Cosby]

I really don't understand the American left.

Want nothing more than to take away Constitutional rights from American citizens. Fourth Amendment no longer exists. First Amendment only exists if you agree with them. Every time someone is shot in the US, they try and do away with the Second Amendment.

But if a terrorist gets caught on a battlefield, that terrorist deserves any and all rights the US Constitution provides to American citizens.

It's bizarre.

 

[TransyCat09]

Did our founders want the bill of rights to apply to individuals simply for a parent's ability to arrive and give birth? Why should such persons as Omar Mateen be equal to those who have toiled for America for multiple generations, descended from the colonies, descended from slaves?

Well, since some of the founders were first generation immigrants to the colonies, probably. Yeah

 

[BBUK_anon]

you will never start thinking

And you will never stop...but it won't help (you don't think well.) from other posts I've seen from you.

 

[CATSrock_rivals215465]

So for our gun experts on here, what realistic action would you take/propose as it relates to guns in America? Anything different or leave as is?

 

[BBUK_anon]

It's called, "do the right thing".

 

[Bill Cosby]

So for our gun experts on here, what realistic action would you take/propose as it relates to guns in America? Anything different or leave as is?

So for those of you who are falling for the terrorism and fear mongering, given the fact we've already sacrificed our 4th Amendment rights, why do you think sacrificing our 2nd Amendment rights is the solution to stopping terrorism and not taking a hard look at the individuals committing terrorism, and those in the federal government who are supposed to stop them?

 

[wild mandu]

Maybe humans need to belong in a zoo. The most irresponsible species on the planet. Blaming everything underneath the sun for their problems. Blaming gun, blame this, blame that. Absolutely ridiculous. Still doesn't stop the original problem. The human. The human is the problem. But like 90% of America who have agnosia to their own insight, humans will never take the responsibility for anything they do. Instead pass the buck on. That's what we do.

A fellow misanthrope?

Either way, this is probably the most important post you'll find in this thread.

 

[BBUK_anon]

So for our gun experts on here, what realistic action would you take/propose as it relates to guns in America? Anything different or leave as is?

What should be proposed? Seriously, there are laws on the books. I propose they are enforced before any new laws are attempted. I'm no gun expert though I have a few, I am prior military but knew how to use a weapon before then.

I've thought about this a little bit, but the person or people who did this or who commit these type crimes are to blame, not the guns. Remember Paris? There were supposed to be no guns there. Where this incident happened in Florida it was a gun free zone....

Some people do not belong in a free society. they should be stopped or supervised. It used to be they were before they hurt someone else or themselves and not that long ago until the 70's when they were released as a compassionate gesture by a President who didn't have a clue.

And as far as laws;

Like W stated when he was President when they had the dragging death of that man. "The people were caught, tried, and convicted" what more laws do we need? This is not to be political, any President could have stated this.

It seems people with vested interests always want to have control or more control using a sad situation when doing the right thing would suffice and deter later incidents. jmuo

 

[mdlUK.1]

So for our gun experts on here, what realistic action would you take/propose as it relates to guns in America? Anything different or leave as is?

We already have background checks. Maybe they need to be more thorough?

However, giving the government even more power over our lives is a bad thing. They will be able to find a reason to deny someone a gun if we give them the power.

Maybe voters need to step back and look at what the people they keep electing have done. And STOP RE-ELECTING THEM!

 

[CATSrock_rivals215465]

So for those of you who are falling for the terrorism and fear mongering, given the fact we've already sacrificed our 4th Amendment rights, why do you think sacrificing our 2nd Amendment rights is the solution to stopping terrorism and not taking a hard look at the individuals committing terrorism, and those in the federal government who are supposed to stop them?

My question was not baiting at all. Should we do anything different? I'm not anti-gun at all but do think something needs to be done. The idea of everyone carrying a gun makes no sense.

 

[mdlUK.1]

The idea of everyone carrying a gun makes no sense.

The idea of only the bad guys carrying a gun makes no sense to me.

 

[BernieSadori]

I'll have to look it up, but I believe cities that have concealed laws have less gun crimes than those that do not.

 

[BBUK_anon]

My question was not baiting at all. Should we do anything different? I'm not anti-gun at all but do think something needs to be done. The idea of everyone carrying a gun makes no sense.

While I understand your sentiment who are you to impose or talk of imposing your will on others. (I don't state this toward you but in general.) Everyone doesn't carry a gun nor will they ever, but those that do shouldn't be cast into the same boat as those that commit crimes. Right now they are and that is the shame. At our church they have four or five men I can catch from observation that do security and they are packing. Why should they in a church for goodness sake? Because there are bad people that do bad things.

It's called free-will, it's also why some like to do some type of work and other people like to do other types of work. Not all will ever do the same type of work. It's free-will. Not all will ever carry guns. I am thankful for those that do that are qualified to carry. Be thankful for police the low-paid workers that they are. I'll stop... Be Good

 

[Bill Cosby]

My question was not baiting at all. Should we do anything different? I'm not anti-gun at all but do think something needs to be done. The idea of everyone carrying a gun makes no sense.

Should we do anything differently? Yes. We should focus on the criminals who commit the crimes, and those who are supposed to be stopping them.

"The idea of everyone carrying a gun makes no sense" - Um, yeah, you're correct. It doesn't make any sense, so I don't know why you have that idea. Everyone doesn't carry a gun. Everyone doesn't want to carry a gun.

The idea of people saying every moronic thought that comes to their head also doesn't make any sense. That doesn't mean we should eliminate the right for half of you to post on here.

 

[WettCat]

http://nypost.com/2016/06/12/obama-says-we-are-to-blame-not-islamic-terrorism-for-orlando-massacre/

Omar Mateen called the cops to pledge his fealty to ISIS as he was carrying out his mass murderer in Orlando early Sunday morning. Twelve hours later, the president of the United States declared that “we have no definitive assessment on the motivation” of Omar Mateen but that “we know he was a person filled with hate.”

So I guess the president thinks Mateen didn’t mean it?

 

[CatFromDaHood]

Funny thing is, if this had been yet another redneck moron shooting up a clinic/other "objectionable" place, then this thread would be buried on page 3 by now and have all of 11 replies.

 

[NCukcat62]

http://nypost.com/2016/06/12/obama-says-we-are-to-blame-not-islamic-terrorism-for-orlando-massacre/

Omar Mateen called the cops to pledge his fealty to ISIS as he was carrying out his mass murderer in Orlando early Sunday morning. Twelve hours later, the president of the United States declared that “we have no definitive assessment on the motivation” of Omar Mateen but that “we know he was a person filled with hate.”

So I guess the president thinks Mateen didn’t mean it?

Or he doesn't have the balls to address the issue

 

[NCukcat62]

Funny thing is, if this had been yet another redneck moron shooting up a clinic/other "objectionable" place, then this thread would be buried on page 3 by now and have all of 11 replies.

How is that funny?

 

[CATSrock_rivals215465]

Should we do anything differently? Yes. We should focus on the criminals who commit the crimes, and those who are supposed to be stopping them.

"The idea of everyone carrying a gun makes no sense" - Um, yeah, you're correct. It doesn't make any sense, so I don't know why you have that idea. Everyone doesn't carry a gun. Everyone doesn't want to carry a gun.

The idea of people saying every moronic thought that comes to their head also doesn't make any sense. That doesn't mean we should eliminate the right for half of you to post on here.

Well, I say that because people keep suggesting that we should all be carrying guns! Going back to the days of the Wild West is regressive - sorry, that's just the truth. our government messed this up a long time ago due to poor policies and decisions in the Middle East and we are seeing the results of that now.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Gotta give the gun control folks credit, the conversation is clearly taking place on the turf of gun control and not radical Islam.

I would have thought a jihadist slaughtering gay Latinos would would have been enough to bring most around to the real questions but it clearly isn't....and if this doesn't I don't think there is any scenario in which we all bond together against radical Islam.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

A related question: what exactly would it take to have the focus shift to radical Islam? As in "holy ****, these psychos really are trying to kill us all"?

Monthly attacks like this? Weekly? Less frequent attacks but higher death counts? What would it take for Obama to get there, or am I just missing the point completely that it is indeed never going to occur?

 

[TortElvisII]

Well, since some of the founders were first generation immigrants to the colonies, probably. Yeah

Never mind.

 

[Violent Cuts]

Well, I say that because people keep suggesting that we should all be carrying guns! Going back to the days of the Wild West is regressive - sorry, that's just the truth. our government messed this up a long time ago due to poor policies and decisions in the Middle East and we are seeing the results of that now.

Perhaps we should force every household to have a gun or have similar laws that Switzerland has. Basically so many people had guns in Switzerland (and still do) that Germany was scared to attack it. Gun violence is like 15% of what it is in the US, basically because bad guys/criminals/terrorists, etc know they can go to certain places and won't have any resistance.

 

[JavaGuru]

Gotta give the gun control folks credit, the conversation is clearly taking place on the turf of gun control and not radical Islam.

I would have thought a jihadist slaughtering gay Latinos would would have been enough to bring most around to the real questions but it clearly isn't....and if this doesn't I don't think there is any scenario in which we all bond together against radical Islam.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/

 

[mdlUK.1]

Funny thing is, if this had been yet another redneck moron shooting up a clinic/other "objectionable" place, then this thread would be buried on page 3 by now and have all of 11 replies.

False. The church shooting in Va went into 7 pages.

 

[UKserialkiller]

A related question: what exactly would it take to have the focus shift to radical Islam? As in "holy ****, these psychos really are trying to kill us all"?

Monthly attacks like this? Weekly? Less frequent attacks but higher death counts? What would it take for Obama to get there, or am I just missing the point completely that it is indeed never going to occur?

I've been wondering the same.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/

Thankfully they caught the guy. A bystander had no problem turning him in. Omar Mateen's employer on the other hand, well you can't just turn in a cray moooslim because that's racist.

Tell you what, get the police report on both this guy and Omar Mateen when they are both completed....would love a comparison if you are attempting to equate the two events.