So, no more state income tax

OG Goat Holder

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Yes. If we truly had to pay the cost to build and maintain roads through fuel tax (or electric surcharges on car tags), we'd still be driving horses and buggies. And air travel as we know it would be virtually non-existent.
Are you saying that without federal funding we’d be that way?
 

Maroon Eagle

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Are you saying that without federal funding we’d be that way?
That’s exactly the case.

A lot of the old US highways were built thanks to FDR’s New Deal-era WPA.

The Interstate highways were Eisenhower’s variation of the German autobahns.
 

OG Goat Holder

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That’s exactly the case.

A lot of the old US highways were built thanks to FDR’s New Deal-era WPA.

The Interstate highways were Eisenhower’s variation of the German autobahns.
i agree, was just making sure I understood. I thought maybe they were saying that if we only rely on the gas tax (both state and federal), we’d be that way. Most all transportation infrastructure is funded by a gas tax.

Of course nowadays there are definitely other general funds pumped into it.
 
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Maroon Eagle

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Federal state & local. If we funded all road construction & maintenance and airport construction, operations & maintenance through user fees, no one would pay it.
It’d be like Oklahoma does with all their turnpikes…
 

ababyatemydingo

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Many of my friends — left and right— are against the gas tax increase but it’s been needed for years.

The state lottery funding can only do so much.
the bigger deal for counties in this tax bill is the increase in state aid funding. Currently, $90 MM per year is put into that fund, and we receive it once per election term. That number is increasing by $40 MM per year. So, now, $520 MM will be distributed to counties once every 4 years for state aid road and bridge maintenance. it's distributed based on a formula that takes miles of rural roads into account. not all roads in a county are state aid roads. most of your major roads are, though. don't confuse a state aid road with a state highway, though. a state aid road is a county road. state aid roads are roads and bridges that the state assisted the county in building. counties are bound to maintain that road or bridge to state aid standards, or risk losing their state aid funding. all state aid roads and bridges get inspected each year by the engineer for OSARC (office of state aid road construction). hinds county lost their state aid funding last year due to not repairing or replacing a bridge that OSARC told them had to be replaced or repaired. not sure if they did what was needed to regain it. Harry Lee James does a good job with state aid. He was appointed by Tate Reeves to serve as state aid director.
 
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Shmuley

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the bigger deal for counties in this tax bill is the increase in state aid funding. Currently, $90 MM per year is put into that fund, and we receive it once per election term. That number is increasing by $40 MM per year. So, now, $520 MM will be distributed to counties once every 4 years for state aid road and bridge maintenance. it's distributed based on a formula that takes miles of rural roads into account. not all roads in a county are state aid roads. most of your major roads are, though. don't confuse a state aid road with a state highway, though. a state aid road is a county road. state aid roads are roads and bridges that the state assisted the county in building. counties are bound to maintain that road or bridge to state aid standards, or risk losing their state aid funding. all state aid roads and bridges get inspected each year by the engineer for OSARC (office of state aid road construction). hinds county lost their state aid funding last year due to not repairing or replacing a bridge that OSARC told them had to be replaced or repaired. not sure if they did what was needed to regain it. Harry Lee James does a good job with state aid. He was appointed by Tate Reeves to serve as state aid director.
Is your county still on the beat system?
 

OG Goat Holder

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Federal state & local. If we funded all road construction & maintenance and airport construction, operations & maintenance through user fees, no one would pay it.
Make no mistake…..the Republicans want a user fee structure. It’d be disastrous, especially for small communities and small states. They simply do not get transportation and never have. They don’t like transit, they don’t like EVs (except for cowering to Elon) and they don’t like green options.

They do like gas guzzling, though.
 

Maroon Eagle

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the bigger deal for counties in this tax bill is the increase in state aid funding. Currently, $90 MM per year is put into that fund, and we receive it once per election term. That number is increasing by $40 MM per year. So, now, $520 MM will be distributed to counties once every 4 years for state aid road and bridge maintenance. it's distributed based on a formula that takes miles of rural roads into account.

That is good but…

Do you think that formula will stay the same or will it substantially change with the increased funding?
 

Jeffreauxdawg

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That is correct, but we still need a fair way to tax for road maintenance. That way most of the tax would go to 18 wheelers, as it should.
I don't disagree. EVs should have an annual tax equivalent to what an average ice driver would pay in gasoline tax.
 
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ETK99

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You tax their charger times. It's no different than reading a water or electrical meter and is simple.
 

Bulldog Bruce

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You are going to pay taxes. I would much rather pay my taxes gradually instead of the lump sums we have to do in MS. I know when it was mostly agriculture, that was how those people got paid in lump sums and that is why MS is that way.

I hope we adjust the car tag tax also. My car buying over all these years I factored in what my car tag was going to cost that one month during a year. Also had to be sure that I didn't buy my wife's car and my car in the same calendar month. I would have much rather payed 50 a month than pay 600 in June. Yes I know I could have saved 50 a month in some fashion so I could then pay the 600 when due. I am not good at that.