The fat guy in the tight dress I can do without though.
Student turnout
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I think it’s just the culture of the university. Over the last five years there’s been a major shift in the demographics of the university as it pertains to commuter vs non commuter. As fewer people live on campus there becomes less of a connection especially with extracurricular activities.
Regarding the Lobsters
I 'believe' they were disbanded due to their unruly behavior and foul language to the visiting team.
I 'believe' they were disbanded due to their unruly behavior and foul language to the visiting team.
Easiest way to guarantee students is to do a Greek event, they have the numbers to make a difference.
Beyond that, what motivates your customer? A Gen Z student? Get 1 or 2 people with popular Tik Tok accounts to do a post about going to the game. That's where young people get their "news" and spend their attention.
Beyond that, what motivates your customer? A Gen Z student? Get 1 or 2 people with popular Tik Tok accounts to do a post about going to the game. That's where young people get their "news" and spend their attention.
Good stuff. Is Greek life even a thing with Gen-Z and more commuters.
I don’t understand influencing and TicTok but everything I read about it makes me think that’s the space you need to be in and execute. And apparently Gen-Z males rely heavily on YouTube for podcasts and information.
Isn't that the point of a student section, to harass the visiting team?
Based on looking through the staff directory, I'd argue they don't employ anyone to figure this stuff out. They may ask people who are employed for other things to figure it out, but I don't see anybody who specializes in or has a primary responsibility for filling the building.
Calling the players and coach MFs is going beyond the line. And I was told it was incessant.
There a reason an announcement is made before every game to hinder this. The Lobsters did not heed the warning.
Too bad they couldn't temper it a little then, because it was definitely giving juice to the program, it would get mentioned on broadcasts routinely. Now we can't even fill Walsh. Disappointing turn but I guess just keep winning and keep trying to find ways to reach out to the students and generate interest.
Who knows what was communicated, but were the kids spoken to or did the school just stop it because they weren’t responding to the PA announcements?
Seems like the “spirit” could have been cultivated instead of cancelled.
Nope they were warned multiple times. It got so bad that they were reported by SHU fans.
Harnessing the opponent is fine, but only within parameters. When your own start reporting you and they still don't stop time to pull the plug.
Harnessing the opponent is fine, but only within parameters. When your own start reporting you and they still don't stop time to pull the plug.
Probably all living together in a basement apartment in Hoboken.
There was a a time in the 90s where BC's Jim O'Brien got thrown out of the game at the Meadowlands, and our large student section threw anything we could pick up from the floor on him as he exited the tunnel. Never saw another ejection of a coach live and in-person
It got so bad at MSG after the Marquette debacle that while Willard was leaving the court Pirate fans spit on him.
Fewer people or a smaller percentage of the student population?
If fewer people, by what percentage?
I know that I took the bus once and never did it again. I was a commuter so I drove to the rest of the games. Maybe it has changed since but back then, it was everyone for themselves. We had to run back after the game to make sure we didn’t get left behind.
Always thought a couple kegs on the bus would get people excited. Few college kids want to pay $14 or whatever for a beer. I don’t enjoy paying that and I’m a working adult. Get them excited to get on a bus, get them lubricated, and let them look forward to an otherwise awful ride. The ride is long enough to bang a few down. Of course there’s the old 21+ issue but I’m sure they can figure it out.
Always thought a couple kegs on the bus would get people excited. Few college kids want to pay $14 or whatever for a beer. I don’t enjoy paying that and I’m a working adult. Get them excited to get on a bus, get them lubricated, and let them look forward to an otherwise awful ride. The ride is long enough to bang a few down. Of course there’s the old 21+ issue but I’m sure they can figure it out.
The "commuter" statistics are extremely misleading because nearly all students are forced to move off campus after sophomore year because (1) there's not enough housing to accommodate, and (2) the school had a zero-tolerance policy on fun. About 80% of freshmen live on campus. All those students don't move home after freshmen year - they move off campus with friends. In my opinion they aren't "commuters". Commuters are students that live at home with their parents.
I had friends from Illinois, Connecticut, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts, etc. We were all designated commuters.
I had friends from Illinois, Connecticut, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts, etc. We were all designated commuters.
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More and more jersey and ny residents = more kids going home on the weekends, they may dorm on campus but really only here 4 days a week
I can tell you what part of the problem is. It boils down to this. In the good old days the basketball team was actually made up of classmates. You know kids that came in as freshman and came to play basketball and get a degree from SHU. So for 4 years you got to know them as your classmates. Now with NIL they are hired guns for maybe a year or 2 for the most part and they come and go year after year. They come to make money and not to really be part of the SHU family of students to play and get a degree.
Back in the day I would see the basketball players that came in with me all 4 years I was attending class etc. Doesn't happen today. Hard to develop a real bond with the players today in this NIL environment. Hard to relate to them when you are dealing with paying tuition and they are getting paid. Paid big bucks.
Back in the day I would see the basketball players that came in with me all 4 years I was attending class etc. Doesn't happen today. Hard to develop a real bond with the players today in this NIL environment. Hard to relate to them when you are dealing with paying tuition and they are getting paid. Paid big bucks.
What 67 says makes sense. But why is SHU is the one school being effected by what 67 says?
Maybe for the schools with smaller student populations it is a bigger deal. For schools with multiples of SHU students there are enough students to fill the seats and or not enough seats for students. Also take into account a lot of schools still bring in a freshman class of some size. They fill in with a few transfers.
Just take Kansas state for example. Three times the undergraduate student body. Ditto Saint Johns.
Just take Kansas state for example. Three times the undergraduate student body. Ditto Saint Johns.
I get the sentiment, but while I was at SHU I had 1 total class with a basketball player in it. I rarely saw them around campus and certainly didn't have a personal relationship with any of them. Of course I'm not saying my experience was everyone else's. They were there and I'm sure plenty of people did get to know them, but I'm also sure there were plenty of people like me who didn't have that personal connection but still went to games and supported the team.
It might be as simple as that. It's supposed to be fun and if you've ever been to a college football tailgate party, you get that its not just about watching a game (whether the team is winning or not). SHU has the challenge of playing off campus, but barriers can be overcome. Novel idea...ask the kids.
I think Hall is Life nailed it. Transportation to & from The Rock is the main issue for those who live on campus. The cost of parking is the main issue for those who don't.
And look at RU, ~50k undergrads so 2k going to a bball game is ~4% of the student body. 2k of SHUs undergrad population is ~33% that's a massive discrepancy that people are ignoring
I think most of the things in this thread are factors, but to me it is about our team being gutted of our best players (Richmond & Davis) due to NIL, then an all time bad season last year, again completely replacing our roster with new players and then poor preseason predictions and no early marquee OOC home games.
These factors may have cost us many student fans, hopefully the good start, a game (and hopefully win) with Rutgers, will start to bring the students back as we get into BE season.
These factors may have cost us many student fans, hopefully the good start, a game (and hopefully win) with Rutgers, will start to bring the students back as we get into BE season.
if other schools had that reaction i would agree.
