The Main Question for 2020 Football

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Didn't say it was a death wish but it certainly is a major contributing factor in covid deaths

It is. With that said we need to be doing everything possible to protect those people. Health conditions range in all ages.

And we can't just tell those people to stay home.

We are about to be in for a rude awakening with school starts back I'm afraid.
 
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Certainly obesity may skew the numbers some but to what degree I dont know...but obesity generally brings a different subset of problems other than just being overweight...diabetes,hypertension, and heart disease to name a few...regardless those are all underlying conditions that contribute significantly to covid deaths...1 study says up to 99% of all covid deaths have been in people with pre-existing conditions
You’re absolutely right. My point really is that, even though a large percentage of the deaths are in people over 65, most of us are vulnerable in one way or another. The answer is not just “keep the old people home so the rest of us can party”. It’s much more complex than that. And so many people don’t want to accept that until it hits home. We have become a very narcissistic, selfish society.
 

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You’re absolutely right. My point really is that, even though a large percentage of the deaths are in people over 65, most of us are vulnerable in one way or another. The answer is not just “keep the old people home so the rest of us can party”. It’s much more complex than that. And so many people don’t want to accept that until it hits home. We have become a very narcissistic, selfish society.

I agree with that..we all have a responsibility to be as safe as we can,if not for ourselves,then for others but just as the answer cant be "keep the old people home" it cant be shut everything down either..not saying that's what you're advocating by the way
 

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More "years of life" will be lost from shutdowns than C19.

While I get your point and the points of the article we discussed earliee, after doing some reading today and seeing another person close to me develop a disorder as a result of an asymptomatic Covid bought, there is so much we don't know about how this thing is going to impact people long term.
 

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Cooper announcing if state will move into phase 3 this afternoon. If he moves us into 3 that might be huge for athletics
 

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He was old. I bet he had underlying health issues. *eyeroll*
Don't put him down as being old ! I am almost 70 with must of the conditions that people have that don't make it, are you going to say, oh he had 1 foot in the grave anyway if it takes my life ? You will be old someday ! :eek::confused:
 

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Don't put him down as being old ! I am almost 70, are you going to say, oh he had 1 foot in the grave anyway if it takes my life ? You will be old someday !~

I wasn't putting him down. It was sarcasm because that seems to be what many people say when someone dies of Covid. We seem to believe it's not a major issue because it kills older folks or people with underlying conditions.
 
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I wasn't putting him down. It was sarcasm because that seems to be what many people say when someone dies of Covid. We seem to believe it's not a major issue because it kills older folks or people with underlying conditions.
Sorry, I guess I took it wrong. The older you get the more sensitive you get about your age and it seems worse because I worry about COVID-19.
 

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I agree with that..we all have a responsibility to be as safe as we can,if not for ourselves,then for others but just as the answer cant be "keep the old people home" it cant be shut everything down either..not saying that's what you're advocating by the way
You’re right, I’m not saying to shut everything down. But when I look around, I see bars and gyms closed. I see local schools making some tough decisions. I see businesses with reduced capacity. Other than that, I don’t see a great deal that is closed. I’m not saying that those shown above are not important because they are. But the idea that the government has shut everything down is simply not true.
The governor just announced another five weeks of phase 2. I think that is the obvious and correct thing to do. I don’t know what that means for fall sports, but I can guess. I’m sorry for all of us if it means what I suspect. Especially the players. But I still think that we’re on the right path if we as individuals will just do what we’re being asked to do.
 
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I’m getting tired of hearing the deaths attributed to the “preexisting condition” crap. Just peel everything back. If the deceased had not contracted Covid, they would still be alive. Simply put, deaths were because of the virus.

You and I both man. It's insane. Many people have preexisting conditions. Those people live good lives. Why act like these people are already dying when they get Covid.

Sadly these people saying "well they have preexisting conditions" usually aren't smart enough to understand genetics and realize they could have or be predisposed to a preexisting condition they aren't aware of, leading to Covid harming them or killing them.
 

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So you all are saying the deaths that are labeled Covid are all from the virus. I think that is what a lot of us talk about. How many 100% healthy people have died from it. If you aren’t you are at a higher risk can’t change that.

Once again, no Covid, none of these deaths healthy or otherwise.
 

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So you all are saying the deaths that are labeled Covid are all from the virus. I think that is what a lot of us talk about. How many 100% healthy people have died from it. If you aren’t you are at a higher risk can’t change that.
I believe that the overwhelming majority of deaths labeled as COVID are accurate. And the answer to your question is none. By the time a person dies with it, they are certainly not healthy.
I was very healthy just before they put me on a ventilator and feeding tube and into a coma. If, one of the five times I coded, they hadn’t been able to revive me, the death certificate would have said “pneumonia and organ failure, complicated by H1N1.” The doctor told me that if I had been a smoker or diabetic or twenty pounds heavier, they’d have been planning a funeral.
The point is that all kinds of people of all ages and conditions are dying with this. Certainly, the rate is much higher among certain groups. But even if you are not at great risk, aren’t you around a lot of people who are? At home, at work, at church?
If I told you that, if you wear a mask everywhere you’re supposed to and follow the other guidelines, I guarantee you we’ll have winter sports, would you do it? Well, of course nobody can guarantee that. But isn’t it worth finding out?
 

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Im not a mask person but when I go out I will wear one just out of respect for other people. While I’m working my 50 to 60 hours a week keeping the country going I don’t wear one.There is one place I go into I will. If you are in the certain age range you have to do what you think is best for you. It my be best for to stay at the house until you think it’s safe.
 
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If someone has an auto immune
Im not a mask person but when I go out I will wear one just out of respect for other people. While I’m working my 50 to 60 hours a week keeping the country going I don’t wear one.There is one place I go into I will. If you in the certain age range you have to what you think is best for you. It my be best for to stay at the house until you think it’s safe.

Those people that have health issues have to work, get groceries, and other task. It's just not that easy.
 
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Good Lord..Cooper announces at least 5 more weeks of Phase 2...put a fork in it..WE ARE DONE

Gentle Knight, You are correct. We are done for the year. Might as well put the helmets and pads back into storage.

Conditions in 5 weeks will be not drastically improved from what they are now. He will add 5 more weeks of phase 2 then also.

The way it is going it may be several years before we are able to play again unless we have change in political leadership.

The world health organization said yesterday we may never have a vaccine that actually works.

My job takes me all over north Georgia. I drove by Murray county high school in chatsworth ga yesterday. They were practicing like normal getting ready for their season.
 

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If someone has an auto immune


Those people that have health issues have to work, get groceries, and other task. It's just not that easy.

Not to get groceries. You can get almost anything on Amazon or on the internet. That’s when you have to make a choice. One of your choices my be sitting at home in the evenings and not going into crowds if you are really worried about the Virus.
 

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Not to get groceries. You can get almost anything on Amazon or on the internet. That’s when you have to make a choice. One of your choices my be sitting at home in the evenings and not going into crowds if you are really worried about the Virus.

Some people choose to not do Amazon. What about elderly people that don't use the internet and don't have anyone to help out?

There are people with underlying conditions that work everyday. People that have to work or go out go home to people with underlying conditions.
 

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Gentle Knight, You are correct. We are done for the year. Might as well put the helmets and pads back into storage.

Conditions in 5 weeks will be not drastically improved from what they are now. He will add 5 more weeks of phase 2 then also.

The way it is going it may be several years before we are able to play again unless we have change in political leadership.

The world health organization said yesterday we may never have a vaccine that actually works.

My job takes me all over north Georgia. I drove by Murray county high school in chatsworth ga yesterday. They were practicing like normal getting ready for their season.

You are 100% correct, football for the fall is done. Better hope the athletic departments had rainy day funds if winter and spring sports are allowed to compete. IMO we may have seen the last of high school athletics altogether, I really hope I am wrong in that regard.
 

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Football will probably get a go in the late winter early spring.

I'd say most schools will be fine if basketball can get started.

Athletic directors will just have to be tight and smart with spending. Boosters clubs will have to help out as well if schools have one.
 

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Football will probably get a go in the late winter early spring.

I'd say most schools will be fine if basketball can get started.

Athletic directors will just have to be tight and smart with spending. Boosters clubs will have to help out as well if schools have one.

Thunder I agree with you, my only concern is booster clubs main source of income is primarily small businesses, and they are hurting more than ever right now. It may not be as simple as asking the boosters for more funds. Take a struggling program that may have came into this just breaking even, and now remove football before you play the rest of the sports. I’m not a math genius but the funds have to come from somewhere or we simply cannot play.
 

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Thunder I agree with you, my only concern is booster clubs main source of income is primarily small businesses, and they are hurting more than ever right now. It may not be as simple as asking the boosters for more funds. Take a struggling program that may have came into this just breaking even, and now remove football before you play the rest of the sports. I’m not a math genius but the funds have to come from somewhere or we simply cannot play.

Valid concerns.

I'd be curious what a schools bare bones budget is if they just cover officials and transportation.

If everything is played in the winter and spring that will reduce some expenses granted it will also limit income. I'd say likely if we go into winter/spring to get everything in, travel will be limited and it will mostly be conference only.
 
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Valid concerns.

I'd be curious what a schools bare bones budget is if they just cover officials and transportation.

If everything is played in the winter and spring that will reduce some expenses granted it will also limit income. I'd say likely if we go into winter/spring to get everything in, travel will be limited and it will mostly be conference only.

I know that transportation costs are the highest, as buses costing depending on the city or county anywhere from $1.50 to $2.50 per mile. Those costs add up quickly. I believe officials run right around $80ish per game. Football and basketball are the only 2 that make money, with everything else nowhere close to being in the positive.
 

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Football will probably get a go in the late winter early spring.

I'd say most schools will be fine if basketball can get started.

Athletic directors will just have to be tight and smart with spending. Boosters clubs will have to help out as well if schools have one.
For once I'm going to agree with you. That's an accurate assessment of a time table. My problem all along has been the lack of a plan. Quit stringing us along. Announce no sports until December and have a plan like Virginia. At least then we'll know what we're dealing with.
 

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For once I'm going to agree with you. That's an accurate assessment of a time table. My problem all along has been the lack of a plan. Quit stringing us along. Announce no sports until December and have a plan like Virginia. At least then we'll know what we're dealing with.

I agree with you on that. Idk what Que is waiting on. I do know a survey wasn't sent to superintendents about their intent. I think it was due this week. Several have already stated they won't allow sports while in plan C.

I think that alone should be reason to push it back.
 

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I know this whole thing isn’t funny, but I just had a flash of you sitting alone, in the snow, in the Bob Uecker seats hollering that same thing.

I like to imagine him sitting in the empty stands on a Friday night yelling it with a grumpy look on his face and his arms crossed.

It's all in good fun BK.
 

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If basketball has a full season with playoffs and most schools have really good players that play basketball and football with basketball spilling over into spring football if football starts in March. Going to be some or all that play football jumping to football ? If possibly basketball starting a month or so early if it is safe with COVID-19 under control. Is this going to work with spring football ? Of course, they can shorten the basketball season.
 

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They're not in a hurry to make a decision. Who knows maybe they'll look wise for not delaying the start into the winter.
 

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If basketball has a full season with playoffs and most schools have really good players that play basketball and football with basketball spilling over into spring football if football starts in March. Going to be some or all that play football jumping to football ? If possibly basketball starting a month or so early if it is safe with COVID-19 under control. Is this going to work with spring football ? Of course, they can shorten the basketball season.

Basketball and Wrestling coaches at good football schools have to wait weeks into the season almost every year for the football players to finish the season. Football can wait for Winter to finish just the same.
 

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Basketball and Wrestling coaches at good football schools have to wait weeks into the season almost every year for the football players to finish the season. Football can wait for Winter to finish just the same.

If this is going to happen, people have to be flexible.