The Missouri coaching search is very sobering and a reality check for UK fans to watch

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JHB4UK

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similar programs, similar situations in states that dont produce much SEC talent, they obviously have more of a winning past tradition than us, probably viewed as a slightly better job than UK by folks on the outside of both schools. So who are they gonna get?

Allegedly turned down by Temple's coach, not reported but I'd bet they made a call to Houston's coach Herman since the same AD hired him there is now at Mizzou. Now their list includes Colorado State's 1st year coach Bobo, Utah State's coach, Cal's Sonny Dykes, and possibly promoting their DC.

Thrilling list? Would you be excited if we were looking again, and that is the very best we could do? and that is probably being generous that some of those guys would consider the likes of us.
 

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money can be a great equalizer with situations. likely why we whiffed on Butch Jones - we were only offering near what ut was and they were a better situation. Mizzou will have to offer more and will get less than what a higher profile situation will. I hope they don't get Dykes - he's a home run and isn't getting along with his new AD.
 

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Dykes is far from a home run. I like him and he's a good coach but he's not a guru. There really aren't a lot of home runs out there this year. Maybe Herman? He shows a lot of promise. Fuente? I don't think he is as good as people think. We know what Kiffen looks like as s head coach. Richt couldn't win big with UGA's resources. Mullen is a good coach but would you consider him in the same breath as the elites? Coordinators are always a crap shoot. If I'm UGA, and I think they are the only team searching that can do this, I go up to Lansing with a blank check. Dantonio is the only sure fire home run. Would he leave though? Money talks.
 

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If the situation is really that hopeless, then why not just shut down the program and spare this long suffering fan base the agony? If all we are ever going to be is mediocre or worse and if that is what we are willing to accept, then just shut it down.

OTOH, I think a serious offer from a school like UK or Missouri could get a serious response. But that takes investment on the part of the admin. You aren't going to get a great coach to come take over a less than great program unless you offer him ample reason to. Look at how much money we are and have wasted on Stoops. We're paying the guy over $3 million a year and we're getting losing seasons for our effort. Then look at the contract extension and how much money we'll have to blow if Stoops is fired after next season (a distinct possibility). We would have been much better off to have invested all that money into a less risky hire to have started with.
 

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Mizzou will get a decent coach IMO, but they're going to have to wait for a few dominoes to fall.
 
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Mizzou is a dumpster fire right now...the institution as a whole is going through some turmoil...I wouldn't fly over that place if I was a coach exploring options...they're losing alumni and maybe even some boosters with that mess...folks around the program and state with ties are not very happy with how some things have gone down...

If Dykes leaves California for Missouri then he's crazy........

They may promote from with in...which would make sense because Pinkel built such a solid program and keeping it in the family would provide some sort of stability...
 
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similar programs, similar situations in states that dont produce much SEC talent, they obviously have more of a winning past tradition than us, probably viewed as a slightly better job than UK by folks on the outside of both schools. So who are they gonna get?

Allegedly turned down by Temple's coach, not reported but I'd bet they made a call to Houston's coach Herman since the same AD hired him there is now at Mizzou. Now their list includes Colorado State's 1st year coach Bobo, Utah State's coach, Cal's Sonny Dykes, and possibly promoting their DC.

Thrilling list? Would you be excited if we were looking again, and that is the very best we could do? and that is probably being generous that some of those guys would consider the likes of us.
Mizzou is a dumpster fire right now...the institution as a whole is going through some turmoil...I wouldn't fly over that place if I was a coach exploring options...they're losing alumni and maybe even some boosters with that mess...folks around the program and state with ties are not very happy with how some things have gone down...

If Dykes leaves California for Missouri then he's crazy....

They may promote from with in...which would make sense because Pinkel built such a solid program and keeping it in the family would provide some sort of stability...
My guess Mizzou can blame BLM clowns fir losing their coach
 
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If the situation is really that hopeless, then why not just shut down the program and spare this long suffering fan base the agony? If all we are ever going to be is mediocre or worse and if that is what we are willing to accept, then just shut it down.

OTOH, I think a serious offer from a school like UK or Missouri could get a serious response. But that takes investment on the part of the admin. You aren't going to get a great coach to come take over a less than great program unless you offer him ample reason to. Look at how much money we are and have wasted on Stoops. We're paying the guy over $3 million a year and we're getting losing seasons for our effort. Then look at the contract extension and how much money we'll have to blow if Stoops is fired after next season (a distinct possibility). We would have been much better off to have invested all that money into a less risky hire to have started with.

Excellent post and I agree 100%.....When you pay a coach over 3 million dollars a year, I don't want to hear its too hard but we will continue to work, blah blah blah......3 million dollar jobs don't grow on trees and you should have to earn that to begin with which he never did, it was given to him and that is on Barhhart so Barnhart needs to hold stoops feet to the fire a little more on his results because this looks really bad on Barney right now. Paying 3 million a year should at least buy a coach who can get his team organized and teach basic fundamentally sound football, neither of which we were fortunate enough to witness in years 2 or 3 of this regime.
 

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Looking like a fair amount of smoke on Sonny Dykes. Sounds like an offer is imminent ...

Would be a pretty big score for them if they can pull it off.
 

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similar programs, similar situations in states that dont produce much SEC talent, they obviously have more of a winning past tradition than us, probably viewed as a slightly better job than UK by folks on the outside of both schools. So who are they gonna get?

Allegedly turned down by Temple's coach, not reported but I'd bet they made a call to Houston's coach Herman since the same AD hired him there is now at Mizzou. Now their list includes Colorado State's 1st year coach Bobo, Utah State's coach, Cal's Sonny Dykes, and possibly promoting their DC.

Thrilling list? Would you be excited if we were looking again, and that is the very best we could do? and that is probably being generous that some of those guys would consider the likes of us.

Bobo would be a good hire for them, he was our OC when we averaged over 40 a game last year without much talent at qb. If Bobo got that job there is a 50-50 chance Eason, the qb, follows him instead of Richt. He was his recruiter and Bobo will elevate their recruiting quite a bit, he will do very well in south Georgia, and has lots of ties all over the southeast, and is an excellent recruiter, UGA's best when he was there.
 

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If the situation is really that hopeless, then why not just shut down the program and spare this long suffering fan base the agony? If all we are ever going to be is mediocre or worse and if that is what we are willing to accept, then just shut it down.

OTOH, I think a serious offer from a school like UK or Missouri could get a serious response. But that takes investment on the part of the admin. You aren't going to get a great coach to come take over a less than great program unless you offer him ample reason to. Look at how much money we are and have wasted on Stoops. We're paying the guy over $3 million a year and we're getting losing seasons for our effort. Then look at the contract extension and how much money we'll have to blow if Stoops is fired after next season (a distinct possibility). We would have been much better off to have invested all that money into a less risky hire to have started with.
I think it depends on what you mean by a less risky hire. Money won't buy us an experienced football coach with a proven track record. A coach like that can get huge money at a school where he stands a much better chance to preserve his status, which will allow him to continue to make huge money down the road. The reason we can't attract a proven head coach is not because of the salary, but because of the risk of losing huge amounts of money down the road. The coach might get paid just as well here, but if he can't succeed, then his earning power dramatically drops over the next several years until he can resurrect his career. Proven coaches are going to coach at programs that have a proven track record because it preserves their ability to continue to earn high salaries. They are not going to risk millions in future earnings on a school where it has been historically difficult to win. Because of this we have to take a certain amount of risk to find the next good coach. Stoops was as good a gamble as any.
 
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Mizzou hit a bad year to have an opening though. Lots of good jobs available right now.
You nailed it. This is a terirble year to be hiring a coach. The further down the list of traditional football schools you are the worse your situation. Money is a great equalizer but it isnt the be all end all. Most of these guys are already very well to do. Remember the # you see posted showing what they are paid is only what the school (ie state public knowledge) is paying. When you factor in the perks (cars, housing, local commercial spots etc) they are likely well ahead of the listed #. So now a rich man is getting richer. BTW OP the rest of this is not directed towards you at all, just wanted to give my less than two cents worth.

Folks must remove themselves from the fan base and look at this from a neutral position, what do you do? Lets say youre making 500k at WKU. Kentucky offers you 2.5 million a year, Georgia offers you 1.5 million, Miami offers you 1.25 million, Missouri offers you 2 million. You see where Im going. When your already rich you can be more selective. So how many of those schools do you pick ahead of us knowing the numbers I have listed.? For discussions sake lets assume all the other terms are close (years, guaranteed money, buyouts etc).

The only way were gonna score a big name in this climate is to offer silly money. Were gonna have to offer 4 plus million. If you think about it. Mitch already did this. He gave Stoops a sweetheart deal. I think he did this partially to make sure he was locked in should the middle years be rough (think Brooks). He has made his crazy stab with Stoops and he has tied himself to this decision. Were all hopeful this is Brooks reincarnate. Frankly, were all in with Stoops. Folks may as well let this unfold and lets see if this recruiting pays off. Firing coordinators every year isnt the answer. Continuity becomes an issue at some point and not many guys are gonna jump on board when you tell them the last few guys only made it a year or two.

Ill be honest I have been adamant all year that no matter what happened this year I was not going to give up on this staff. Ill also be honest and say the last half of the season has me doubting myself. But in the end I realize we gotta play the hand out with the guys we have at the table. Lets just hope they arent over betting their hands because were gonna be there when the cards are flipped. Besides what do we have to lose? Im 60 years old and Ive been in on the river with a lot of coaches. Percentages say Im due to win a big hand here soon (or die lol).

Seriously, we dont wanna be trying to hire a coach with so many others looking that outclass us. If we make a move we need to wait until the pecking order favors us a bit more. Lets ride with what we have for at least another year and likely two. If we had fired Brooks when most wanted to a lot of good things dont happen for us. This is no time to get a weak stomach.
 

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Wait, so BLM causes cancer?

He had known about the cancer since May and he was telling recruits he would be there next year. He was placed in a no win situation. Don't support the team boycott and lose your job like the school president did. Support the team boycott and lose the respect of your fans and fellow coaches. He chose the latter and was taking a lot of heat for it. Luckily, he was able to find a bit of a silver lining in the cancer diagnosis and use it as a reason for retiring.
 
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Luckily, he has cancer?

Of course not. He already had the cancer and that was unlucky. Do you know what a "silver lining" is? It is something good coming out of a bad situation. He was lucky he could use the cancer for an excuse; not lucky he had the cancer.
 

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He had known about the cancer since May and he was telling recruits he would be there next year. He was placed in a no win situation. Don't support the team boycott and lose your job like the school president did. Support the team boycott and lose the respect of your fans and fellow coaches. He chose the latter and was taking a lot of heat for it. Luckily, he was able to find a bit of a silver lining in the cancer diagnosis and use it as a reason for retiring.

"My players -- they're my kids, I love those guys," Pinkel told reporters following the resignation of Wolfe. He said the boycott, triggered by Wolfe's handling of several racial incidents, was an "extraordinary" circumstance that made football a secondary priority.

"They had tears in their eyes and asked if I would support them and I said I would -- it's about supporting my players when they needed me," Pinkel said. "I did the right thing and I would do it again."

Pinkel's honorable and not a liar. I believe his health had more to do with it than anything.
 
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similar programs, similar situations in states that dont produce much SEC talent, they obviously have more of a winning past tradition than us, probably viewed as a slightly better job than UK by folks on the outside of both schools. So who are they gonna get?

Allegedly turned down by Temple's coach, not reported but I'd bet they made a call to Houston's coach Herman since the same AD hired him there is now at Mizzou. Now their list includes Colorado State's 1st year coach Bobo, Utah State's coach, Cal's Sonny Dykes, and possibly promoting their DC.

Thrilling list? Would you be excited if we were looking again, and that is the very best we could do? and that is probably being generous that some of those guys would consider the likes of us.

If the choice was Matt Wells, yes, I would be excited.
 
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He had known about the cancer since May and he was telling recruits he would be there next year. He was placed in a no win situation. Don't support the team boycott and lose your job like the school president did. Support the team boycott and lose the respect of your fans and fellow coaches. He chose the latter and was taking a lot of heat for it. Luckily, he was able to find a bit of a silver lining in the cancer diagnosis and use it as a reason for retiring.

This may be the dumbest post I've ever read.
 

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Anyone looking at the Mizzou job will have to take a LONG look at the racial tensions currently at the school. Could spell disaster to a sports program.....
 

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Anyone looking at the Mizzou job will have to take a LONG look at the racial tensions currently at the school. Could spell disaster to a sports program.....
I think part of the problem is that black athletes are more aware they are 8 times more likely to be killed by a policeman than a terrorist. I think comfortable old men and young men with little regard have a hard time digesting this information. And no I'm not being sexist I simply think American men have lost their way more so than women.
 

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Cancer as a silver lining excuse...

Man, that's something else. "Oh! I got it! I HAVE CANCER!! SWEET!! This'll be easy!!!"
 

JHB4UK

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Sonny Dykes believes in about as much defense as Hal Mumme did.
if the hire him & convince him to keep their DC & D line coach (and convince/pay them to stay) it would be a pretty difficult combination. Kind of like North Carolina this year with the addition of Chizik.
 

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I'm not anti-Mike Leach but did you see what an unranked Washington did to WSU this past week? Whoa!! Talk about being over hyped and over-ranked.
 
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Texas found out 2 years ago that a blank check doesn't automatically get you the coach of your dreams.

Yep. So think about what a smaller "blank check' looks like, at a less prestigious school. Thats what our coaching search looks like. Had Stoops not called Mitch, theres no telling who we hire last time around. It was pretty bleak then too.

Mizzou is a dumpster fire right now...the institution as a whole is going through some turmoil...I wouldn't fly over that place if I was a coach exploring options...they're losing alumni and maybe even some boosters with that mess...folks around the program and state with ties are not very happy with how some things have gone down...

If Dykes leaves California for Missouri then he's crazier than a **** house rat...

They may promote from with in...which would make sense because Pinkel built such a solid program and keeping it in the family would provide some sort of stability...

Way too much turmoil there for any decent coach imo. No way someone is staking their future on events they cant control.
 

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I'm not anti-Mike Leach but did you see what an unranked Washington did to WSU this past week? Whoa!! Talk about being over hyped and over-ranked.
please. WSU was without starting QB and starting a frosh. wash was playing for bowl eligibility. hardly a surprise.
 

Levibooty

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please. WSU was without starting QB and starting a frosh. wash was playing for bowl eligibility. hardly a surprise.
Hey I watched the game WSU looked horrible, worse than Kentucky looked in the 2nd half of UL game.
 
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