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Ha. Find where I said he didn't say it. Let alone, insist he didn't say it. And I won't deny defending him. I just don't defend him on everything, nor have I ever. But I do look forward to you showing me where I insisted he didn't say "it".
Cuomo is a bit like Guiliani after 9/11. Most NYers couldn’t wait to see Guiliana go but then 9/11 came and he was actually a strong leader who tried to calm everyone down. Andrew is the same. For the most part, his governorship has been uNremarkable to poor, with the exception of getting gay marriage passed. Otherwise, he failed to ride herd on the breakaway Democrats who caucused with the Republicans and only really focused on a more progressive agenda when his hand was forced after the breakaway Dems lost their elections to true Democrats. But when the pandemic hit, he gave great press conferences and aggressively tried to get a handle in minimizing the spread of the disease. He was a welcome contrast to that blithering idiot in the White House.
I was more talking about Mac, but honestly you start calling people stupid during a conversation about what Trump said. You may not say something specifically but the tenor of your posts make pretty clear where your loyalties lie and that looks like a defense
Well, you're the rare exception Ghost. I've yet to encounter a single Trump supporter in my personal life who doesn't defend him no matter what.
And yet, Cuomo is still heralded as a hero by many in the media and in the party. I don't get.
Let me explain that by saying I am a Trump supporter I am only owning the fact that I voted for him. I obviously defend the right vs the left. But I don't trust the right any more than I do the left. I just more closely align with the right. I am fully aware of the evil on my "side", I just don't think that many on the left are capable of acknowledging the evil on their side. They view their opinions as facts.
We're coming at it from the same place, just from different sides. What needs to happen is more of us on the right and left need to come together against our common enemy: the elites who control it all. We need to get out and support grassroots candidates at the local, state, and federal level who actually have the best interests of people in mind. I don't care if you're a democrat, republican, independent, green, or in the ******* whig party; this country needs to forget about the identity politics associated with political parties and start coming together to force our leaders into action.
I know that's why people voted for Trump. The cult of personality populist candidate who was going to drain the swamp. I didn't vote for him. Can't stand the guy. But I was hoping that I was wrong about him. I wasn't. He drained the swamp, and then filled it with creatures just as bad, if not worse than what was there before. His entire presidency was filled with horrendous policy decisions, tax breaks for his buddies, sowing the seeds of more division, and his response to losing the election just created an even bigger divide within our country. All of it to feed his own ego. So many of his supporters are unwilling to admit it though. Biden has my prayers, just like Trump, here in the beginning. Of course, it seems they're up to business as usual. ******** neo-liberal policies, virtue signaling with executive orders, and just a lot of talk with no action. People are suffering and no one in power seems to give a ****.
You’re trying. Agree with you on the swamp being full, but I disagree with you on Trump. There weren’t many good options to pick by him. They are too many damaged up there, and you find out when it’s too late sometimes. Trump tried. Get past how he spoke and look at his decisions. They were to benefit the country. Not the establishment. That’s why he was and is, hated by many up there. It’s like this debate on what Trump said about disinfectants/bleach. The left spins what he says, accusing him of suggesting to people to do this. That’s nothing but the hatred for him coming to the surface. He was asking the experts beside him if there was any possibility that medically it could be done. He even said I don’t know. But, when you look for things to whine about, as durhamgolfer does, it gets spun. The media does more than their part.
Biden is back to politics as usual. Someone is pulling the strings behind him. He’s just a puppet.
We will probably soon be back in wars, or conflicts, with other countries, taxes and gas will go up as well. Business as usual. If only people could see, and a good start is stop believing the corrupt media.
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He tried to drain the swamp but was fought every step of the way.Their was talk of impeachment on his first day of office.On a personal level I think that he is a loud mouthed *******,but his policies were working.You say his policies were just for his friends but every segment of the population was better off than they were before in terms of income,unemployment and opportunity.I have never understood the term that the top ten percent doesn’t pay its fair share of taxes when the top ten percent pays seventy percent of the total federal taxes.Why must someone who is successful be punished?The Trump hate was fostered by the media taking what he said out of context .
How could you respond to the post that you quoted the way you did and then claim that you were mostly talking about someone else? And let me tell you that my "loyalties" don't lie with any person other than my wife, my closest friends and family. You having an issue with me saying that not all Trump supporters defend everything he says or does would be fine if you could refute the notion. I believe that you think all Trump supporters are the same. That's how narrow minded you are when it comes to how you view people with different beliefs.
We can attack policies of every president. In fact, the policies should be the focus of every president. I disagree that his presidency was filled with horrible policies. I don't think he was given a fair shake at being a president and that played a role in how he was unable to carry out his agenda. Which despite your thoughts that they were to benefit his friends, benefitted a much larger demographic than most policies prior. When you purposely over look the good, it's easy to say it was all bad. I hope we get a president very much like him. Policy wise. I am concerned that we are selling our country out just to undo what Trump did and nobody cares because all they cared about was getting rid of Trump.
Another Obama appointed judge gives Democrats a pass.Kevin Klinesmith who forged documents to the FISA courts allowing the FBI to spy on Carter Page was given no jail time or fines.Contrast that to conservatives who were given Jail time and fines.Another example of the different Justice Systems for liberals and conservatives
Could you perhaps list the conservatives you are talking about?
You know the list of Trump supporters as well as I do.Doing your usual game of deflecting from facts to avoid discussing anything that reflects poorly on liberals
You are comparing his treatment by a judge to others. I would like to know who they are. Telling me I know the list of Trump supporters hardly answers that question. I am not deflecting facts. I am trying to get them. If you had any, you would not be having one if your little hissy fits
You mean the Michael Flynn who was never actually sentenced upon his plea of guilty? Did you know that Mueller's sentencing recommendation was little or no jail? It is quite possible then that he would have been treated no more hardly than Clinesmith had Trump not intervened and pardoned him. Try again.
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You are blinded with Trump hate you will not acknowledge that the Democratic judge wanted him to go to jail for an extended period even when the DOJ wanted to drop the case.What Clinessmith did by lying on a sworn affidavit unleashed the Federal government on a private citizen reminded me of Soviet Russia.The Democrats are now proposing with their Domestic Terror bill to do that on their political opponents and the liberals called Trump a dictator and facist.You better try again with fact not your identity based biases
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As someone who mentioned that they are a lifelong state law enforcement employee you should be appalled with how our various agencies conspired to create a false narrative against various US citizens for political purposes - regardless of which side of the fence you sit on. If the past 4 years did nothing else, it showed that our intelligence community is not neutral and has its thumb on the scale. Destroying the people's trust in the CIA will not benefit this nation. Its now in the open for all to see.
Well, the judge who sentenced Clinesmith actually said the wire application still had probable clause even with his falsity. And until the judge sentenced Flynn actually sentenced him, we have no idea what would have happened.
I am absolutely appalled at the looseness that went on over the FISA warrants, no doubt. But I thought I was responding to Topp's failure to find a legitimate comparison to Clinesman and that was a different conversation. While we are talking about being appalled, I was disgusted with the way Barr did his job, perjuring himself before Congress in claiming that the Mueller report exonerated Trump. At least he stood firm against Trump's attempted coup and insisted that the election had been conducted properly. Just so you know, Topp, law enforcement has used wiretaps to break cartels, gun rings, insurance fraud, identity theft among others and many of those wiretaps involved American citizens. The feds put out a yearly report breaking down the wiretaps by jurisdiction.
You contend that the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump? If so, what were the findings that incriminated him? Do you believe he was working with Russia? As for perjury - Strzok, Comey and others should be glad that the bar for that is pretty high as they have a very loose standard with the truth when appearing before Congress.
It is not just my opinion. Mueller made clear that their investigation did not exonerate Trump. He specifically said that if they could have exonerated the President, they would have. That was supposed to make clear that they found evidence of criminal conduct. I only read the first half of the report and it was clear that the Trump camp knew they were getting him from Russia and that, if they did not solicit it, they made clear they were happy to have it, once again breaking all norms.
As for perjury, can you tell me what you are talking about with Strzok and Comey?
one Comey example....3.27 into the interview...these types of nuances were abundant and played as insignificant as long as they went with the narrative of the accusing party, if not then it was upheld as if it was a high crime and taken to the extreme....and then there is McCabe....as for Strzok...GIYF
I promised myself I wouldn't get into this rabbit hole back and forth so I am going to apologize to myself and be done now. Enjoy.
I promised myself I wouldn't get into this rabbit hole back and forth so I am going to apologize to myself and be done now. Enjoy.
The basis for the entire Muller report was based on fake information provided by a British spy who admitted to investigators that his information was pure speculation.The millet Report clearly stated that there was no evidence that Trump did anything wrong.Tje lead investigator whose name escapes me at moment vehemently hated Trump.This investigator has been cited several times in the past for falsifying information is who put in that part about not clearing Trump.I guess using this source allows you to go along with the Democrats wet dream
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His name was Andrew Weismann..Pn three separate occasions he had been cited for unethical prosecutions actions.In one the Supreme Court voted 9-0 to overturn one of his convictions .Like most liberals since he is morally superior any actions he takes are justified
Biden has appointed the partner of Hunter’s attorney to head the DOJ’s prosecution department.Wonder of this investigation gets swept under the rug
That was not the basis of the investigation although the dossier shamefully was used in the FISA warrents. You are talking about Peter Strzok, who was not the lead investigator and was removed from the investigation. Wet dreams, dude? What are you, 15?
Without the dossier there would have been no investigation.It frightening to think someone with your mindset would be involved in law enforcement.Hate to think that u have any input on who is going to be charged with a crime
She lives in New York, what do you expect. You’re right though, scary that someone as delusional as she is is a lawyer, or whatever.
She probably works for the firm “Do Em, Screw Em, & Lose Em.”
You are soool funny.
You use Wikipedia to validate your point.That is laughable.Reality is that testimony under oath to Congress Rodenstein and others said that if they knew what they knew now the FISA warrants would not have been applied for.If no FISA warrants the entire Muller fiasco would not have happened.
I see @Mac9192 still has an underdeveloped sense of tact and still less potential as a future comic.
Anyway can we all at least agree morons like this are the reason we won't br seeing the end of this pandemic anytime soon?
Anyway can we all at least agree morons like this are the reason we won't br seeing the end of this pandemic anytime soon?