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GhostOf301

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Everybody should just listen to the lovely Dem Maxine Waters. She laid out exactly how one should act if you don't agree with them.
This is relevant. When she called for people to harass people who don't share the same beliefs as they do, she opened the door to the other side doing the same.

I don't like seeing Trump supporters harassing Biden and Harris because I think it is taking the low road. But I respect the fact that they feel obligated to dish back what they've been given over the past few years. So, I am torn.
 

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I saw trucks simply riding by the Biden/Harris bus, with Trump flags flying. The video posted showed just that. Yet, @durhamgolfer takes the garbage this hack tweeted, and runs with it. She? should be ashamed, but she’s? not.
@durhamgolfer is a disgrace.
there were over 100 hundred trucks that surrounded the bus. The people in those trucks were shouting obscenities and at various points the cars slowed down so that the bus was only able to go 20 miles per hour. That is not the behavior of people who value democracy and I get that there are ******** all over the place and this does not appear to be something Trump. planned. But a leader who respects democracy makes it clear he does not condone the behavior. He does not egg them on.
 

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This is relevant. When she called for people to harass people who don't share the same beliefs as they do, she opened the door to the other side doing the same.

I don't like seeing Trump supporters harassing Biden and Harris because I think it is taking the low road. But I respect the fact that they feel obligated to dish back what they've been given over the past few years. So, I am torn.
Trump supporters give it back as well. They are hardly the victims here. Funny though because when non-Trump supports complain, you call them snowflakes. When Trump supporters complain, you label them justified.
 

GhostOf301

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Trump supporters give it back as well. They are hardly the victims here. Funny though because when non-Trump supports complain, you call them snowflakes. When Trump supporters complain, you label them justified.
I will bet that you will not find a quote from me using the term, snowflake. I will also challenge you to find a quote of mine justifying Trump supporters being unruly.

Please try again.
 
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I’m guilty of calling them snowflakes. It’s what I feel they are. They go off feelings instead of facts. Liberals blame, deflect, and divert from the issues to make it personal.
You will also find on here where I’ve said I don’t like everything about Trump. I shake my head at what sometimes comes out of his mouth. But, if I was an outsider that came to DC and messed up their game like he has, who knows what I’d say. It’s him vs the elitists. I agree with what Trump is doing. A difference between a conservative and liberal is the liberal doesn’t say anything negative about their party. Loyal to their family, even if the family is more f’d up than a football bat.
 

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there were over 100 hundred trucks that surrounded the bus. The people in those trucks were shouting obscenities and at various points the cars slowed down so that the bus was only able to go 20 miles per hour. That is not the behavior of people who value democracy and I get that there are ******** all over the place and this does not appear to be something Trump. planned. But a leader who respects democracy makes it clear he does not condone the behavior. He does not egg them on.
Weird. Not sure I ever saw you call out the same **** that’s been going on with the other side for the last four years against Trump and his supporters. Now, you get a slight taste of what we’ve seen for the last four years and now you’re crying. Please give me a break....
 

Jtre

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That’s just not true. The minority base has been voting democrat for decades, and poverty hasn’t improved. For some reason they believe the garbage they’re being sold.

Look up the top 20 cities with the highest poverty, and look at which party has led those cities, and for how long.
The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over, yet expect different results.

I was catching up on this thread and I somehow missed when you posted this on Friday.

This was posted in response to one of mine, which you only partially quoted. The part you took out to respond to is this:

"Minorities can draw on their own experiences without being told what to think by the media and politicians."

Most of the discourse I've had with those on here who may disagree with me has been pretty respectful, at least compared to the other exchanges I see in here. I have to ask for some explanation hers. It seems like you really quoted the one sentence where I said minorities can think for themselves and you said that is not true. Please tell me you don't really feel that way.

By the way, for the poverty rate part of your post, I didn't look at individual mayors and city make-ups, but I did find that four of the seven cities with the highest poverty rates in America are all located in Texas, which are red as red can get. This makes me actually think that there's more to poverty rates at the political parties are in charge of a given city.
 
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This is relevant. When she called for people to harass people who don't share the same beliefs as they do, she opened the door to the other side doing the same.

I don't like seeing Trump supporters harassing Biden and Harris because I think it is taking the low road. But I respect the fact that they feel obligated to dish back what they've been given over the past few years. So, I am torn.

I don't condone her statements and completely disagree with them. Political leaders have a responsibility to be better than the people who vote for them. She was wrong for saying that get up in people's face ****.

This actually reaches back to something I said in an earlier post about Trump doing what seems to be irreparable damage to political discourse in America. At separate rallies in March of 2016, Trump commented that he would like to confront one of his protesters and, "punch him in the face."

At another he encouraged folks in the crowd to kick the protesters assses and that he would, "pay their legal fees." Oddlt enough, when a guy got arrested and a journalist question Trump about the legal fees part he backed off the statement.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not sure that I can ever recall a politician or elected official, at least on the national level, encouraging fighting and physical action by supporters the way Trump did in his initial campaign. I believe that lowered the bar so damn much that it made people believe it is acceptable to make comments like Waters did.
 
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Mac9192

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I was catching up on this thread and I somehow missed when you posted this on Friday.

This was posted in response to one of mine, which you only partially quoted. The part you took out to respond to is this:

"Minorities can draw on their own experiences without being told what to think by the media and politicians."

Most of the discourse I've had with those on here who may disagree with me has been pretty respectful, at least compared to the other exchanges I see in here. I have to ask for some explanation hers. It seems like you really quoted the one sentence where I said minorities can think for themselves and you said that is not true. Please tell me you don't really feel that way.

By the way, for the poverty rate part of your post, I didn't look at individual mayors and city make-ups, but I did find that four of the seven cities with the highest poverty rates in America are all located in Texas, which are red as red can get. This makes me actually think that there's more to poverty rates at the political parties are in charge of a given city.
I haven’t seen where Texas has 4 of the 7 cities. I did see one. Most all of the poorest cities are ran by Democrats. A stat I saw rebuked something where Trump supposedly said the top 20 poorest cities are ran by democrats. It was 17. It is fact that most of the poorest cities in America are ran by the left. The top homeless cities are also sanctuary cities, ran by the left.

The left has had a stronghold on the minority vote for decades, yet little to no improvement has been made. That was more of my point. The left doesn’t want things to change. Quite a few minorities have started to see that the left really don’t have their best interests in mind, they just have to be willing to look honestly at the reality.
Like 50 cents saying he looked at Biden’s tax plan, and didn’t want to become 20 cents. They get ridiculed for thinking for themselves, many times by worthless white people.
I think you mean well, but the information you go off of isn’t true.
 
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Weird. Not sure I ever saw you call out the same **** that’s been going on with the other side for the last four years against Trump and his supporters. Now, you get a slight taste of what we’ve seen for the last four years and now you’re crying. Please give me a break....
Really. the dems have tried to physically harass the other side by driving their buses off the road? I believe I missed that but feel free to supply a link.
 

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I haven’t seen where Texas has 4 of the 7 cities. I did see one. Most all of the poorest cities are ran by Democrats. A stat I saw rebuked something where Trump supposedly said the top 20 poorest cities are ran by democrats. It was 17. It is fact that most of the poorest cities in America are ran by the left. The top homeless cities are also sanctuary cities, ran by the left.

The left has had a stronghold on the minority vote for decades, yet little to no improvement has been made. That was more of my point. The left doesn’t want things to change. Quite a few minorities have started to see that the left really don’t have their best interests in mind, they just have to be willing to look honestly at the reality.
Like 50 cents saying he looked at Biden’s tax plan, and didn’t want to become 20 cents. They get ridiculed for thinking for themselves, many times by worthless white people.
I think you mean well, but the information you go off of isn’t true.

Initially you said poverty rate, so that's what I looked up. In this post you say poorest, which would actually be something different. Either way, the statements I made were in good faith.

Houston was number 3, El Paso 4, Dallas 5 and San Antonio was 7. Austin and Fort Worth came in at 18 and 19, respectively.

Oklahoma City, Phoenix, Jacksonville, Nashville and Charlotte also made the top 20. Poverty rates are involved in poverty rates so it is no surprise that 11 of the top 20 would be warm weather cities where homeless often migrate. Of course Los Angeles and New York are in the top 20 as people move there every year attempting to make it in some part of the entertainment industry.

My reason for going into this is to show that there are some factors in play that don't necessarily have anything with who controls the mayor's office, or even the governor's office for that matter.

I see you writing about minority voting blocks and strongholds but you appear to be dodging the question I asked you. You responded to one specific sentence in my post in which I said minorities do not need to be told what to think and that they can draw from their own experiences by saying, "That is not true." Do you feel minorities are incapable of thinking for themselves?

I don't know if ridiculing is the right word, but I have never heard of ridiculing for voting Republican in past years. Trump has changed that, because many people cannot get past what he says about people who are not the same as him. Please don't look at this as some validation for the myth white people carry around about educated Blacks being looked down on for daring to get an education and lift themselves out of poverty. It's not.

You can look anywhere and quickly find Christians who criticize other Christians for their support of Trump, women who criticize other women for their support of Trump and Jews who criticize other Jews (particularly Jared Kushner) for their support.

Next, and I can't believe I'm about to actually comment on this part, but 50 Cent has made it clear he doesn't support Donald Trump. Apparently his comments were regarding what somebody told him would be his tax bracket if Joe Biden was elected president. Also, the picture of 50 and Ice Cube in Trump hats was doctored and Cube (not sure if 50 made similar comments) made it clear he didn't appreciate one of Trump's kids tweeting it out.

Finally, you said you think I mean well but the information I go off of isn't true. Outside of things that I've said as strictly opinion(we've all done a lot of that in this true) what untruths am I going off of or saying?
 
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Hey guys did ya hear, early voting doesn't count and as soon as it hits 12 am EST Nov.4 the vote is over. No more counting!!
 

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Initially you said poverty rate, so that's what I looked up. In this post you say poorest, which would actually be something different. Either way, the statements I made were in good faith.

Houston was number 3, El Paso 4, Dallas 5 and San Antonio was 7. Austin and Fort Worth came in at 18 and 19, respectively.

Oklahoma City, Phoenix, Jacksonville, Nashville and Charlotte also made the top 20. Poverty rates are involved in poverty rates so it is no surprise that 11 of the top 20 would be warm weather cities where homeless often migrate. Of course Los Angeles and New York are in the top 20 as people move there every year attempting to make it in some part of the entertainment industry.

My reason for going into this is to show that there are some factors in play that don't necessarily have anything with who controls the mayor's office, or even the governor's office for that matter.

I see you writing about minority voting blocks and strongholds but you appear to be dodging the question I asked you. You responded to one specific sentence in my post in which I said minorities do not need to be told what to think and that they can draw from their own experiences by saying, "That is not true." Do you feel minorities are incapable of thinking for themselves?

I don't know if ridiculing is the right word, but I have never heard of ridiculing for voting Republican in past years. Trump has changed that, because many people cannot get past what he says about people who are not the same as him. Please don't look at this as some validation for the myth white people carry around about educated Blacks being looked down on for daring to get an education and lift themselves out of poverty. It's not.

You can look anywhere and quickly find Christians who criticize other Christians for their support of Trump, women who criticize other women for their support of Trump and Jews who criticize other Jews (particularly Jared Kushner) for their support.

Next, and I can't believe I'm about to actually comment on this part, but 50 Cent has made it clear he doesn't support Donald Trump. Apparently his comments were regarding what somebody told him would be his tax bracket if Joe Biden was elected president. Also, the picture of 50 and Ice Cube in Trump hats was doctored and Cube (not sure if 50 made similar comments) made it clear he didn't appreciate one of Trump's kids tweeting it out.

Finally, you said you think I mean well but the information I go off of isn't true. Outside of things that I've said as strictly opinion(we've all done a lot of that in this true) what untruths am I going off of or saying?
Not going to get into this back and forth over poverty. I don’t know where you get your information from. You refuse to see the connection poverty has with politics, and that the overwhelming majority is democrats run those cities, and have for a long time.
So, let’s just get to you saying I’m dodging the minority vote not being able to think for themselves. I’ve answered it, just not the way you want to receive it. Democrats have been promising this and that for decades, show up when it’s voting time, and things stay the same. Yet they keep voting the same way. But, it’s not the democrats fault, is it?
You are just like the others on here, which is you vote off feelings, not facts. “Trump said this, I can’t believe our President said that!” You also don’t get why he was elected. Which is basically similar to Obama. He was a one term senator, who basically spent almost half that time campaigning for President. He was a smooth talker, and won over America. Trump isn’t a smooth talker, but said what he was going to do, and followed through with it. And, like I’ve said, the elitists despise him. They’ve spent almost 4 years trying to get him out of office. COVID might have sealed the deal. We will see.
I do love how politicians that have been in office for a long, long time, blame a man that has only been in office for less than 4. You guys do the same thing. Incredible.
 

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Lol. Good deflection. Pretty typical for libs. When they can’t answer or get caught with the hypocrisy, they deflect.
Whoa. I asked you for examples of Democrats doing things to Trump supporters similar to trying to run a bus off the road. Your response? "Don't be dense." That is about as deflecting as you can get. I will admit that I called you out on your choice of references but Breitbart News is not a legitimate site. It is a propaganda machine. So rather than calling me stupid how about answering the initial question with actual facts. Otherwise, you are just doing precisely what you accuse me of.
 

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Not going to get into this back and forth over poverty. I don’t know where you get your information from. You refuse to see the connection poverty has with politics, and that the overwhelming majority is democrats run those cities, and have for a long time.
So, let’s just get to you saying I’m dodging the minority vote not being able to think for themselves. I’ve answered it, just not the way you want to receive it. Democrats have been promising this and that for decades, show up when it’s voting time, and things stay the same. Yet they keep voting the same way. But, it’s not the democrats fault, is it?
You are just like the others on here, which is you vote off feelings, not facts. “Trump said this, I can’t believe our President said that!” You also don’t get why he was elected. Which is basically similar to Obama. He was a one term senator, who basically spent almost half that time campaigning for President. He was a smooth talker, and won over America. Trump isn’t a smooth talker, but said what he was going to do, and followed through with it. And, like I’ve said, the elitists despise him. They’ve spent almost 4 years trying to get him out of office. COVID might have sealed the deal. We will see.
I do love how politicians that have been in office for a long, long time, blame a man that has only been in office for less than 4. You guys do the same thing. Incredible.

I have expressed that there is an emotional aspect to my feelings toward Donald Trump as President of the United States. I also pointed out very real things about his presidency earlier that showed many of his accomplishments are simply continuations of the previous administration's evonomic successes.

I will go ahead and stand down, as I'm outclassed. You have expressed than my family and much of my social circle, regardless of what successes we may have accomplished, are incapable of thinking for ourselves.

By the way the next time someone tells you you're racist and you get mad share the sentiment that minorities cannot think for themselves.

That thought process is eerily similar to the thoughts of people like George Fitzhugh. Fitzhugh argued that slavery was not just necessary but good, as it protected the Black from himself. He, like many, claimed to oppose abolition because he viewed Blacks as simple minded and unable to function on their own out in the world. He argued that whites needed to, "enslave them in order to protect them."

So yeah, the next time you talk about equality and how much things have changed, please remember how you shared your view about minorities that basically mirrored that of one that was common during the pre-abolition era.
 

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Whoa. I asked you for examples of Democrats doing things to Trump supporters similar to trying to run a bus off the road. Your response? "Don't be dense." That is about as deflecting as you can get. I will admit that I called you out on your choice of references but Breitbart News is not a legitimate site. It is a propaganda machine. So rather than calling me stupid how about answering the initial question with actual facts. Otherwise, you are just doing precisely what you accuse me of.
You’re taking one possible example and running with it. Just since the Floyd murder, the amount of intimidation, murder, and harmful things done by thugs to those they think are the “enemy” are staggering.
I can also think of several that were harassed. Rand Paul, for one. Or the slugs, Antifa, who go to Sturgis, and try to disrupt their fun? The videos of rioting and looting are horrible, yet you choose to show a few trucks riding by a Biden bus. That’s nothing short of laughable.
I still didn’t see the Trump supporters try to run the bus off the road. If they did, they were wrong.
You whiners do nothing, and I mean nothing, but vote off your feelings. That’s why you’re a snowflake.
 

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Not going to get into this back and forth over poverty. I don’t know where you get your information from. You refuse to see the connection poverty has with politics, and that the overwhelming majority is democrats run those cities, and have for a long time.
So, let’s just get to you saying I’m dodging the minority vote not being able to think for themselves. I’ve answered it, just not the way you want to receive it. Democrats have been promising this and that for decades, show up when it’s voting time, and things stay the same. Yet they keep voting the same way. But, it’s not the democrats fault, is it?
You are just like the others on here, which is you vote off feelings, not facts. “Trump said this, I can’t believe our President said that!” You also don’t get why he was elected. Which is basically similar to Obama. He was a one term senator, who basically spent almost half that time campaigning for President. He was a smooth talker, and won over America. Trump isn’t a smooth talker, but said what he was going to do, and followed through with it. And, like I’ve said, the elitists despise him. They’ve spent almost 4 years trying to get him out of office. COVID might have sealed the deal. We will see.
I do love how politicians that have been in office for a long, long time, blame a man that has only been in office for less than 4. You guys do the same thing. Incredible.

Last thing, and I should have clarified earlier, the poverty rate was among majorly populated cities. When looking up poorest(household income) cities/towns in America, you basically get a top 20 filled with small cities in the Deep South, along with a couple midwestern towns and a couple in Arizona and New Mexico.

I agree that politics play a part in poverty-stricken communities, but it's not a one-cause situation.
 

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I have expressed that there is an emotional aspect to my feelings toward Donald Trump as President of the United States. I also pointed out very real things about his presidency earlier that showed many of his accomplishments are simply continuations of the previous administration's evonomic successes.

I will go ahead and stand down, as I'm outclassed. You have expressed than my family and much of my social circle, regardless of what successes we may have accomplished, are incapable of thinking for ourselves.

By the way the next time someone tells you you're racist and you get mad share the sentiment that minorities cannot think for themselves.

That thought process is eerily similar to the thoughts of people like George Fitzhugh. Fitzhugh argued that slavery was not just necessary but good, as it protected the Black from himself. He, like many, claimed to oppose abolition because he viewed Blacks as simple minded and unable to function on their own out in the world. He argued that whites needed to, "enslave them in order to protect them."

So yeah, the next time you talk about equality and how much things have changed, please remember how you shared your view about minorities that basically mirrored that of one that was common during the pre-abolition era.
Talk about twisting what I said, wow. I made a general observation about the minority vote, and one that I stand by. There are exceptions, but as a general rule, democrats have intentionally kept blacks down. They don’t care about blacks, just have done a better job selling it.
 
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Apparently, this use of cars is a new strategy on the part of some Trump voters.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/us/elections/trump-defends-texas-drivers-who-surrounded-biden-bus-while-the-presidents-supporters-block-traffic-in-new-york-and-new-jersey.html?fbclid=IwAR29EV-J5T5RTkMfDOKgmooS8l59MrDV1VkckJT8C56ErBAq9vTqb-M_fxQ
 

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As far as antics, Trump has consistently exaggerated who then are and what they are responsible for precisely so people will buy into them as the real problem. But, unlike Trump's support of violent and intimidating tactics on the part of his supporters, Democratic leaders have condemned any violence omg the part of antics. As far as the violence and looting that is associated with the protests over the killing of unarmed black men, which for the most part has not been done by the protesters but by looters using the protests as cover, the Dems have been quick to condemn that as well. Biden gave a speech in which he said that that kind of damage was not protest, it was criminal.
 
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To the libs on here, are you really confident in Biden? *Without blasting Trump*, what has he done that makes you confident he’ll be a good president? I’m asking because all I’ve heard you all do is criticize Trump, but have read nothing from y’all that is a testament to Biden.
 
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That **** in New Jersey is stupid as hell. In what way does that gain support for Trump? But more than it being a representation of Trump supporters, it perfectly represents New Jersey.
 
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To the libs on here, are you really confident in Biden? *Without blasting Trump*, what has he done that makes you confident he’ll be a good president? I’m asking because all I’ve heard you all do is criticize Trump, but have read nothing from y’all that is a testament to Biden.
Biden has 47 years experience so if he wins I hope he does something these last four.
 

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To the libs on here, are you really confident in Biden? *Without blasting Trump*, what has he done that makes you confident he’ll be a good president? I’m asking because all I’ve heard you all do is criticize Trump, but have read nothing from y’all that is a testament to Biden.

8 solid years as VP....helped in getting us out of the recession....a good man w/ a good heart that will bring dignity and respect back to the office of President...will place well qualified people in positions of power...will not be the daily circus of lies...will listen and follow science...will not identify citizens or governors as red or blue or dems or repubs, but rather american citizens....wont talk about ratings ad nauseum or perceived records.......wont make up stupid names for other government people......did i mention all the lies???
 

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A good man does not lie about never meeting any of his son’s business partners. Bobulinski is a good man and he in not lying that Biden made money from the crack addict’s business deals.
A good man doesn’t lie for 40 years that a drunk driver killed his wife and daughter.
‘The biggest clincher is a good man would not state that “Hunter Biden is the most honorable man I know” . That is about as bad as choosing the liberal socialist Harris a running mate.
 

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After 5 hours of posting a simple question, I figured we’d have more than 1 lib post his accomplishments. After 47 years in office, as a VP no less, we get the recession as an accomplishment.
I figured someone would come in and say something about wages going up, lowest minority unemployment, a more secure border, and a peace deal in the Middle East.

Oh wait, that is a different President.

The list must be so long, you guys have writers cramp.
 

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8 solid years as VP....helped in getting us out of the recession....a good man w/ a good heart that will bring dignity and respect back to the office of President...will place well qualified people in positions of power...will not be the daily circus of lies...will listen and follow science...will not identify citizens or governors as red or blue or dems or repubs, but rather american citizens....wont talk about ratings ad nauseum or perceived records.......wont make up stupid names for other government people......did i mention all the lies???
You didn't type all that with a straight face, did you? Oh man.

You do know that it is not Biden that is running for president. The other day when he said, "I'm Joe Biden, Jill Biden's husband and Kamala's running mate. Y'all think I'm kidding, don't you?" I don't believe that was one of his gaffes. I think he was telling you exactly what the plan is.
 

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After 5 hours of posting a simple question, I figured we’d have more than 1 lib post his accomplishments. After 47 years in office, as a VP no less, we get the recession as an accomplishment.
I figured someone would come in and say something about wages going up, lowest minority unemployment, a more secure border, and a peace deal in the Middle East.

Oh wait, that is a different President.

The list must be so long, you guys have writers cramp.
I believe debating fatigue has set in. I know I have it. Plus, it does not matter what we say. We get something back about pedo's or socialists/communists. The comment from ACC Hopes is example A. As far as I am concerned when Mussolini is one of the choices, you always vote for the other guy unless he is Stalin and VP Biden ain't no Stalin.
And your President is not responsible for any of the stuff you have up there. And Biden was certainly not responsible for a recession. That was on Bush Junior. But it is almost over and we can all go back to our neutral corners. This is it from me.
 
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To the libs on here, are you really confident in Biden? *Without blasting Trump*, what has he done that makes you confident he’ll be a good president? I’m asking because all I’ve heard you all do is criticize Trump, but have read nothing from y’all that is a testament to Biden.
I've done it a few times and each time you just ignore it. But instead of listing of all his individual achievements during his time as VP I'll simply say this, almost every single positive thing that has happened under Trump was merely a continuation of what was happening under Obama and Biden. They made America better than what it was before they took office, and that's why I'm confident Biden and Harris.
 

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I believe debating fatigue has set in. I know I have it. Plus, it does not matter what we say. We get something back about pedo's or socialists/communists. The comment from ACC Hopes is example A. As far as I am concerned when Mussolini is one of the choices, you always vote for the other guy unless he is Stalin and VP Biden ain't no Stalin.
And your President is not responsible for any of the stuff you have up there. And Biden was certainly not responsible for a recession. That was on Bush Junior. But it is almost over and we can all go back to our neutral corners. This is it from me.
Yeah, you're right about fatigue. Trying to talk to these people is tiring because they unironically refute our points with utter ********.
 
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BOOGIEMAN1914

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After 5 hours of posting a simple question, I figured we’d have more than 1 lib post his accomplishments. After 47 years in office, as a VP no less, we get the recession as an accomplishment.
I figured someone would come in and say something about wages going up, lowest minority unemployment, a more secure border, and a peace deal in the Middle East.

Oh wait, that is a different President.

The list must be so long, you guys have writers cramp.

47-8....so about 39-40 years he was just one guy of many that had to come together to make things work...most of those years he was probably on the team that was short handed...he was 1 senator from Delaware
 
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Mac9192

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I've done it a few times and each time you just ignore it. But instead of listing of all his individual achievements during his time as VP I'll simply say this, almost every single positive thing that has happened under Trump was merely a continuation of what was happening under Obama and Biden. They made America better than what it was before they took office, and that's why I'm confident Biden and Harris.
I want what you're smoking. No, I better not.
Are you really this ignorant?
 
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