The Next Two Years are Free

[MADHAT1]

That's because we haven't done a proper coaching search since 2001. Seriously lets analize. Flood was name coach in 2012 SOLELY to keep our recruiting class intact after Greg jumped ship as the worst possible time after assuring us he wouldn't (kinda amazing how you and Al forgot just how much Greg contributed to the RU Screw with the timing of that move). Flood was arguably a decent on field coach, his teams played HARD. His problem was he couldnt control them and it's kinda a certainty that you're losing your job as HC if 5 of your players are arrested at practice for armed robbery.

So we move on to Ash who had ZERO HC experience prior to his hiring (Thanks to Julie who was imo the worst AD in the history of the university) tasked with rebuilding a program under NCAA investigation. He was doomed from the start. He was a midwestern coach with no ties to the east coast. We were just trying to catch lightening in a bottle by hiring the young up and coming coordinator who again, had never been a HC at any level prior, tasking him to rebuild a program from the ground up under NCAA investigation. I don't think Chris Ash is a good HC coach and was certainly not the right guy for Rutgers, with that said though it was an impossible situation he was faced with.

Insert Greg 2.0. Now Hobbs actually has a good head on his shoulders (I'm eternally grateful for Pikiell) and didn't want to hire back Greg. Unfortunately some of the donors and alumni held his feet to the fire threatening to not renew their tickets/donations if it was anyone but Greg and he was left with no other choice. Keep in mind at the time our fan's moral was in the dumps, we had only our memories to look back on for success. Those memories got the better of some of our Alumni and Donors and many jumped on the Schiano train without hesitation, because it represented the last time they were actually proud of our football team and proud to be a Rutgers fan. Unfortunately though they did not look at Greg's entire track record since leaving where he failed at every stop along the way. Not only failed but Ohio State statistically got 10 pts a game BETTER once he left playing in the HEART of Big 10 play. Their defense gave up on average 10 points a game less after Greg left with those stats including the early season tuneups which should scew the numbers DOWN. This was a guarenteed failure from the start. No one outside of Rutgers fans and alumni old enough to remember 2006 care about Greg Schiano anymore. HS prospects DO NOT CARE.

I have said for going on 5 years now that we need to hire Mike Houston. I don't bash Schiano without offering the solution. THAT'S the guy we need to hire who is actually attainable. I don't live under the delusion that a "Name coach" is going to take our job so we have to look for the proven program builders. Houston has turned around 5 seperate programs all as the HC. He never took the easy way out coordinator job to elevate his profile which he's been offered many times. So when I read Al stating NONSENSE like 'Greg Schiano' is the only person capable of turning Rutgers into a winner' a moron from Miami who adopted our team trying to portray his view alone as Bible, we need to have an honest conversation about things.

I'm sorry that you are buying into Al's trap where care's more about the success of Schiano, than the Success of Rutgers. Al genuinely sounds like the Cult when defending Joe Pa. I don't think I've ever seen a more pathetic collge sports fan and I hate that it of course has to be a fellow RU fan. At least I can take some solace knowing Al isn't a real Rutgers Alum, he's a miami guy who somehow infested our fanbase

You atre forgetting one thing.
Rutgers went on the cheap after Schiano left and though his leaving looked bad the recruiting class was saved with the way Pernett handled that situation.
As for the rest of what you said, no one would come with what Rutgers would offer and the closest to a qualified canidate for the position renaged on taking the job and that was the reason Flood was hired and along with having a undisciplined program , Kyle couldn't recruit the type of talent that would sustain the type of success Greg1 .

Ash was a gamble and hired because the better qualified canidates looked elswhere with what RU was offering

Greg2 did have the major boosters and many in the fanbase push him through, but there wen't any qualified canidates willing to risk their careers
with what Hobbs had to offer and Schiano wasn't that easy to get , even with no other options for him
That right there should show even the most ardent G2 detractors that he was
unopposed when it came to the type of HC candidates most likely to succeed
at Rutgers.
You can name all the names you want, but if they are not willing to risk their careers by taking the position , you can not say they should have been hired instead. You can only say they should have gotten what they wanted to come and leave it like that.

Schiano didn't get all of what he wanted, but seems like Hobbs when negotiating with Greg didn't have anyone else willing to officaly talk about taking the position which implies third party talks let Hobbs know that he was offering to little to even get one decent canidate willing to sit down with him to discuss the job.
Which then along with the support Greg was getting from donors, made Hobbs offer more to Greg than he first did and Schiano , with nowhere elae to go as a HC, accepted the compromise and became Ash's replacement.

Don't think Rutgers is the type of program that qualified camidates have high on thir list, but it is a program they will come to if the offer is right.
Last time that happened was in 2000 when a DC from Miami took the position after handing the RU AD a list of demands that had to be met before he'd come.
That DC wasn't the first choice , but he did turn the program into a winner after being hired

 

[yessir321]

You atre forgetting one thing.
Rutgers went on the cheap after Schiano left and though his leaving looked bad the recruiting class was saved with the way Pernett handled that situation.
As for the rest of what you said, no one would come with what Rutgers would offer and the closest to a qualified canidate for the position renaged on taking the job and that was the reason Flood was hired and along with having a undisciplined program , Kyle couldn't recruit the type of talent that would sustain the type of success Greg1 .

Ash was a gamble and hired because the better qualified canidates looked elswhere with what RU was offering

Greg2 did have the major boosters and many in the fanbase push him through, but there wen't any qualified canidates willing to risk their careers
with what Hobbs had to offer and Schiano wasn't that easy to get , even with no other options for him
That right there should show even the most ardent G2 detractors that he was
unopposed when it came to the type of HC candidates most likely to succeed
at Rutgers.
You can name all the names you want, but if they are not willing to risk their careers by taking the position , you can not say they should have been hired instead. You can only say they should have gotten what they wanted to come and leave it like that.

Schiano didn't get all of what he wanted, but seems like Hobbs when negotiating with Greg didn't have anyone else willing to officaly talk about taking the position which implies third party talks let Hobbs know that he was offering to little to even get one decent canidate willing to sit down with him to discuss the job.
Which then along with the support Greg was getting from donors, made Hobbs offer more to Greg than he first did and Schiano , with nowhere elae to go as a HC, accepted the compromise and became Ash's replacement.

Don't think Rutgers is the type of program that qualified camidates have high on thir list, but it is a program they will come to if the offer is right.
Last time that happened was in 2000 when a DC from Miami took the position after handing the RU AD a list of demands that had to be met before he'd come.
That DC wasn't the first choice , but he did turn the program into a winner after being hired

You really don’t think Mike Houston who accepted and still is at ECU wouldn’t have accepted Rutgers? Really???

Child please

 

[Knight Shift]

Who said anything about Wisconsin being dominant. We have been talking about the competition faced. Finishing top 10 for a decade? What are you talking about. Did you read the article posted? It was the decade rankings. Constituting end of year rankings for the entire decade. Which is more representative of strength of program than cherry picking one teams record in 1991 and 1999. And at that time OSU was the weak link finishing the decade as the 8th ranked program.

Also the B1G has won one national championship since 2010 in 2014 (pre Schiano). During the 90’s they won 2 when you say Barry wasn’t facing the same level of competition.

I get it we face murderers row of Michigan Ohio State and Penn State. Not a fan of Alvarez but don’t discount what he did by saying his level of competition was weak.

Thanks for your posts. Al the clown will keep moving and twisting the goalposts just for the attention. He keeps doubling and tripling down with more lame excuses with each successive post.

 

[Knight Shift]

You atre forgetting one thing.
Rutgers went on the cheap after Schiano left and though his leaving looked bad the recruiting class was saved with the way Pernett handled that situation.
As for the rest of what you said, no one would come with what Rutgers would offer and the closest to a qualified canidate for the position renaged on taking the job and that was the reason Flood was hired and along with having a undisciplined program , Kyle couldn't recruit the type of talent that would sustain the type of success Greg1 .

Ash was a gamble and hired because the better qualified canidates looked elswhere with what RU was offering

Greg2 did have the major boosters and many in the fanbase push him through, but there wen't any qualified canidates willing to risk their careers
with what Hobbs had to offer and Schiano wasn't that easy to get , even with no other options for him
That right there should show even the most ardent G2 detractors that he was
unopposed when it came to the type of HC candidates most likely to succeed
at Rutgers.
You can name all the names you want, but if they are not willing to risk their careers by taking the position , you can not say they should have been hired instead. You can only say they should have gotten what they wanted to come and leave it like that.

Schiano didn't get all of what he wanted, but seems like Hobbs when negotiating with Greg didn't have anyone else willing to officaly talk about taking the position which implies third party talks let Hobbs know that he was offering to little to even get one decent canidate willing to sit down with him to discuss the job.
Which then along with the support Greg was getting from donors, made Hobbs offer more to Greg than he first did and Schiano , with nowhere elae to go as a HC, accepted the compromise and became Ash's replacement.

Don't think Rutgers is the type of program that qualified camidates have high on thir list, but it is a program they will come to if the offer is right.
Last time that happened was in 2000 when a DC from Miami took the position after handing the RU AD a list of demands that had to be met before he'd come.
That DC wasn't the first choice , but he did turn the program into a winner after being hired

Bret Biliema was waiting in the wings and ready to take the job. It was cited here several times.

 

[kupuna133]

Thanks for your posts. Al the clown will keep moving and twisting the goalposts just for the attention. He keeps doubling and tripling down with more lame excuses with each successive post.

It truly is amazing. It’s like he is intentionally gaslighting in this thread.

 

[Knight Shift]

It truly is amazing. It’s like he is intentionally gaslighting in this thread.

It is what he has done here for years. He gets what he wants. Attention. It's useless to argue with him. I'm generally optimistic on the future of the team and on Greg as a head coach, but Al's nonsensical posts have the effect of causing me to question why I am so optimistic.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

It is what he has done here for years. He gets what he wants. Attention. It's useless to argue with him. I'm generally optimistic on the future of the team and on Greg as a head coach, but Al's nonsensical posts have the effect of causing me to question why I am so optimistic.

This, in a nutshell, is my problem with Al. There are a ton of solid posters here like you who do actually see some slight progress being made, especially compared to the Ash era. But Al’s tactics are so over-the-top bombastic that he sucks even rational thinkers into the doom & gloom.

This board would be way better off if we collectively agreed to ignore Al. It’ll never happen, I know. But it’s a shame he seems to try to sensationalize every discussion in a way that causes division.

 

[Knight Shift]

This, in a nutshell, is my problem with Al. There are a ton of solid posters here like you who do actually see some slight progress being made, especially compared to the Ash era. But Al’s tactics are so over-the-top bombastic that he sucks even rational thinkers into the doom & gloom.

This board would be way better off if we collectively agreed to ignore Al. It’ll never happen, I know. But it’s a shame he seems to try to sensationalize every discussion in a way that causes division.

I take the pledge. No more responses to Al's silly threads and posts. You in? @kupuna133 ? @DJ Spanky

If a silly tree falls in a forest and nobody cares to hear it, did the silly tree actually fall?

 

[DJ Spanky]

You atre forgetting one thing.
Rutgers went on the cheap after Schiano left

People conveniently forget that: the Board went mega-cheap and refused to pay over $1 mil for a head coach, which was about what the FCS schools were paying.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

I take the pledge. No more responses to Al's silly threads and posts. You in? @kupuna133 ? @DJ Spanky

If a silly tree falls in a forest and nobody cares to hear it, did the silly tree actually fall?

Yep I’m in.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Who said anything about Wisconsin being dominant. We have been talking about the competition faced. Finishing top 10 for a decade? What are you talking about. Did you read the article posted? It was the decade rankings. Constituting end of year rankings for the entire decade. Which is more representative of strength of program than cherry picking one teams record in 1991 and 1999. And at that time OSU was the weak link finishing the decade as the 8th ranked program.

Also the B1G has won one national championship since 2010 in 2014 (pre Schiano). During the 90’s they won 2 when you say Barry wasn’t facing the same level of competition.

I get it we face murderers row of Michigan Ohio State and Penn State. Not a fan of Alvarez but don’t discount what he did by saying his level of competition was weak.

I don’t think the conclusion of the article means what you think it means. All I have to do to debunk your assertion as nonsense is to take Ohio States Wins and divide by the number of years to get the average win per year of 9.1 during the 90’s. Solid, for sure but definitely not dominant.

You know what’s dominant? Ohio States last 10 years, excluding the Covid Season, as that was a shortened season.

2012 12-0
2013 12-2
2014 14-1
2015 12-1
2016 11-2
2017 12-2
2018 13-1
2019 13-1
2021 11-2
2022 11-2

Average Wins were 12.1, 3 wins more than in the 90’s.

 

[kupuna133]

It is what he has done here for years. He gets what he wants. Attention. It's useless to argue with him. I'm generally optimistic on the future of the team and on Greg as a head coach, but Al's nonsensical posts have the effect of causing me to question why I am so optimistic.

Exactly my stance. Still excited for the future.

I know his posting history. Met him a couple of times at a friends tailgate early 2000’s. Don’t know when he went from attention seeker to agitator.

 

[MADHAT1]

Bret Biliema was waiting in the wings and ready to take the job. It was cited here several times.

did he interview,yes!
Did he say interested in his lawsuit against Arkansas that he claimed looking for HC position so he could collect razorback bucks, yes.
But the question is, did he want more than RU was willing to give
in order to be paid well enough to risk his career.
He also interviewed by Colorado and was passed over.
Just because he said he would have taken the job, doesn't mean he would have taken it with what Hobbs offered.
Hobbs wasn't that hip on hiring Schiano and the price he was willing to pay was turned down by Greg at first.
I've been saying all along there probably were better choices out there than Schiano, but getting them to take what was offered was probably the problem and that goes for the current "Illini"HC.
Butch Jones was a finalist for the job but withdrew his name according to
Bielema's lawyer in his lawsuit to get paid by Arkansas .
Sounds to me Rutgers was just being used as a prop in that lawsuit so BB could claim he was looking for work, while asking more than Rutgers was willing to give.
Like I stated before, you can name who you want for the job, but if RU won't pay their price they won't come.
Schiano almost didn't , but RU boosters forced the issue after Greg walked away from negotiations
Bielema and others didn't have that type of support so Hobbs wouldn't try to meet them halfway , looking for the next in the cheap gamble instead.

Bielema settled with Arkansas after receiving $4.2 million a year for 6 years from Illinois and recently received a 6 year extension for $6 mil a year .


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[kupuna133]

I don’t think the conclusion of the article means what you think it means. All I have to do to debunk your assertion as nonsense is to take Ohio States Wins and divide by the number of years to get the average win per year of 9.1 during the 90’s. Solid, for sure but definitely not dominant.

You know what’s dominant? Ohio States last 10 years, excluding the Covid Season, as that was a shortened season.

2012 12-0
2013 12-2
2014 14-1
2015 12-1
2016 11-2
2017 12-2
2018 13-1
2019 13-1
2021 11-2
2022 11-2

Average Wins were 12.1, 3 wins more than in the 90’s.

The article means exactly what it means. No matter how you try to twist it. Didn’t say they weren’t dominant now. They were the 8th ranked team of the decade(90’s)according to the coaches poll. You know the guys that are coaching for and against the teams on the schedule.

You know you are arguing with yourself right? You said Alvarez had an easier slate because Michigan. Ohio state and Penn state were not as talented then as they are now. I debunked that with their records and their rankings year to year and their cumulative decades long rankings. I merely said Ohio state was the least dominant of the three teams and they still finished 8th as top team of the decade.

Here is a similar ranking of programs from 2010-2020.

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OSU 3rd
PSU 15
Michigan 19

So OSU was pretty much the only B1G team represented in top 10.

 

[kupuna133]

I take the pledge. No more responses to Al's silly threads and posts. You in? @kupuna133 ? @DJ Spanky

If a silly tree falls in a forest and nobody cares to hear it, did the silly tree actually fall?

I didn’t interact with him for months. And swore I would not. Then he responded to one of my posts in this thread and drew me back in.

Im in.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

The article means exactly what it means. No matter how you try to twist it. Didn’t say they weren’t dominant now. They were the 8th ranked team of the decade(90’s)according to the coaches poll. You know the guys that are coaching for and against the teams on the schedule.

You know you are arguing with yourself right? You said Alvarez had an easier slate because Michigan. Ohio state and Penn state were not as talented then as they are now. I debunked that with their records and their rankings year to year and their cumulative decades long rankings. I merely said Ohio state was the least dominant of the three teams and they still finished 8th as top team of the decade.

Here is a similar ranking of programs from 2010-2020.

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OSU 3rd
PSU 15
Michigan 19

So OSU was pretty much the only B1G team represented in top 10.

A team with 9 average wins, which entered the decade with 7 wins and ended the decade with 6 wins isn’t dominant. It’s ludicrous that you keep pushing this.

That alone shows the conclusion of your link to be nonsense. It’s interesting that they used the coaches poll and not teams overall records.

Wisconsin never had to play Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan in the same season. And the Ohio State teams that Wisconsin played were worse than the Ohio State teams that that Rutgers has had to play.

 

[kupuna133]

A team with 9 average wins, which entered the decade with 7 wins and ended the decade with 6 wins isn’t dominant. It’s ludicrous that you keep pushing this.

That alone shows the conclusion of your link to be nonsense. It’s interesting that they used the coaches poll and not teams overall records.

Wisconsin never had to play Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan in the same season. And the Ohio State teams that Wisconsin played were worse than the Ohio State teams that that Rutgers has had to play.

Last response Al. I made a pact.


Only thing ludicrous is you move the goalposts and switch your argument. That’s where your wrong they did use overall record, final rankings, national championships etc….
Same results different source.

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/a...istory-alabama-fsu-nebraska-oklahoma-michigan

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

You and Al need to take the rose colored glasses off. Reality is Greg has us barely beating mid-majors and getting blown out by Maryland and Minnesota. We are all rooting for him and the team but Greg needs to show us this year he can get results.

Barely beat mid-majorS? That plural s is surely an exaggeration because outside of the Temple game last year, we’ve blown out every midmajor we’ve played.

There are two extremes at play here. Both are out of line. Schiano’s performance to date doesn’t grade out to an A or a B. It also hasn’t been a D or an F level bad when you consider the bad luck we’ve had with injuries. He’s basically been a mediocre C. improved us notably from where we started when he took over but not good enough yet to get to a bowl game.

 

[DJ Spanky]

It is what he has done here for years. He gets what he wants. Attention. It's useless to argue with him.

 

[brgRC90]

Barely beat mid-majorS? That plural s is surely an exaggeration because outside of the Temple game last year, we’ve blown out every midmajor we’ve played.

Temple is the only midmajor we've played with Schiano 2.0.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Last response Al. I made a pact.


Only thing ludicrous is you move the goalposts and switch your argument. That’s where your wrong they did use overall record, final rankings, national championships etc….
Same results different source.

https://www.sbnation.com/platform/a...istory-alabama-fsu-nebraska-oklahoma-michigan

Last point I’ll make on this issue.
John Cooper was the Coach of Ohio State from 1988 - 2000, and Ohio State was so dominant, they fired their Coach, because everyone felt he was underachieving. So much for dominance. Jim Tressel came in and won a National Championship in 2002, beating Miami.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

That's because we haven't done a proper coaching search since 2001. Seriously lets analize. Flood was name coach in 2012 SOLELY to keep our recruiting class intact after Greg jumped ship as the worst possible time after assuring us he wouldn't (kinda amazing how you and Al forgot just how much Greg contributed to the RU Screw with the timing of that move). Flood was arguably a decent on field coach, his teams played HARD. His problem was he couldnt control them and it's kinda a certainty that you're losing your job as HC if 5 of your players are arrested at practice for armed robbery.

So we move on to Ash who had ZERO HC experience prior to his hiring (Thanks to Julie who was imo the worst AD in the history of the university) tasked with rebuilding a program under NCAA investigation. He was doomed from the start. He was a midwestern coach with no ties to the east coast. We were just trying to catch lightening in a bottle by hiring the young up and coming coordinator who again, had never been a HC at any level prior, tasking him to rebuild a program from the ground up under NCAA investigation. I don't think Chris Ash is a good HC coach and was certainly not the right guy for Rutgers, with that said though it was an impossible situation he was faced with.

Insert Greg 2.0. Now Hobbs actually has a good head on his shoulders (I'm eternally grateful for Pikiell) and didn't want to hire back Greg. Unfortunately some of the donors and alumni held his feet to the fire threatening to not renew their tickets/donations if it was anyone but Greg and he was left with no other choice. Keep in mind at the time our fan's moral was in the dumps, we had only our memories to look back on for success. Those memories got the better of some of our Alumni and Donors and many jumped on the Schiano train without hesitation, because it represented the last time they were actually proud of our football team and proud to be a Rutgers fan. Unfortunately though they did not look at Greg's entire track record since leaving where he failed at every stop along the way. Not only failed but Ohio State statistically got 10 pts a game BETTER once he left playing in the HEART of Big 10 play. Their defense gave up on average 10 points a game less after Greg left with those stats including the early season tuneups which should scew the numbers DOWN. This was a guarenteed failure from the start. No one outside of Rutgers fans and alumni old enough to remember 2006 care about Greg Schiano anymore. HS prospects DO NOT CARE.

I have said for going on 5 years now that we need to hire Mike Houston. I don't bash Schiano without offering the solution. THAT'S the guy we need to hire who is actually attainable. I don't live under the delusion that a "Name coach" is going to take our job so we have to look for the proven program builders. Houston has turned around 5 seperate programs all as the HC. He never took the easy way out coordinator job to elevate his profile which he's been offered many times. So when I read Al stating NONSENSE like 'Greg Schiano' is the only person capable of turning Rutgers into a winner' a moron from Miami who adopted our team trying to portray his view alone as Bible, we need to have an honest conversation about things.

I'm sorry that you are buying into Al's trap where care's more about the success of Schiano, than the Success of Rutgers. Al genuinely sounds like the Cult when defending Joe Pa. I don't think I've ever seen a more pathetic collge sports fan and I hate that it of course has to be a fellow RU fan. At least I can take some solace knowing Al isn't a real Rutgers Alum, he's a miami guy who somehow infested our fanbase

You it post is filled with fallacies and inaccuracies. Schiano was going to be asked to take a paycut, so I can’t blame him for leaving for an opportunity of a lifetime. The Big East was crumbling and the new Governor did not want Rutgers spending a lot on a Football Coach.

Had Rutgers hired Cristobal, whom they offered, he would have been successful here, ultimately left for Miami, and Schiano could have slid back in.

On paper, Ash wasn’t a bad hire, but he did not have the right recruiting strategy, and futily tried to recruit the Midwest, rather than Florida, which had provided us with an abundance of talent.

Rutgers turnaround job is almost complete. Schiano said he needs one more class to have enough talent to win. The ‘24 class is shaping up to Be a monster class, with significant talent from Florida, NC, and Georgia. This is our best class, which was achieved despite adversity. No one else but Schiano could have done this.

Rutgers fans and alum were correct. Schiano’s recruiting flexibility and institutional knowledge helped him build the talent base. The defense is deep and talented. The offense needs more talent and depth, but isn’t far away. We’re almost where we want to be. Get Duff and one more impact offensive player, and we’re good to go.

With the ‘24 schedule looking daunting it looks like ‘25 will be our year, as everything will be in place.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Temple is the only midmajor we've played with Schiano 2.0.

Builds are difficult. During Schiano I, we lost to Villanova, Buffalo, and New Hampshire. Ash lost to Eastern Michigan. At least we’re beating whomever we should beat.

 

[yessir321]

You it post is filled with fallacies and inaccuracies. Schiano was going to be asked to take a paycut, so I can’t blame him for leaving for an opportunity of a lifetime. The Big East was crumbling and the new Governor did not want Rutgers spending a lot on a Football Coach.

Had Rutgers hired Cristobal, whom they offered, he would have been successful here, ultimately left for Miami, and Schiano could have slid back in.

On paper, Ash wasn’t a bad hire, but he did not have the right recruiting strategy, and futily tried to recruit the Midwest, rather than Florida, which had provided us with an abundance of talent.

Rutgers turnaround job is almost complete. Schiano said he needs one more class to have enough talent to win. The ‘24 class is shaping up to Be a monster class, with significant talent from Florida, NC, and Georgia. This is our best class, which was achieved despite adversity. No one else but Schiano could have done this.

Rutgers fans and alum were correct. Schiano’s recruiting flexibility and institutional knowledge helped him build the talent base. The defense is deep and talented. The offense needs more talent and depth, but isn’t far away. We’re almost where we want to be. Get Duff and one more impact offensive player, and we’re good to go.

With the ‘24 schedule looking daunting it looks like ‘25 will be our year, as everything will be in place.

Al, just don’t kill yourself when he gets fired. I’m more concered for your own safety than anything else. Genuinely, your obsession with a CFB coach is unhealthy. You’re the kind of insane lunatic that even Greg would be uncomfortable around. You think you own the team, you don’t. Buoy refuse to look at things objectively. If you worked in business, there’s no doubt you would fail simply based on how emotionally invested you become. You’re like the guy from the titanic sub who was just Soo excited to go to the titanic that he ignored all the warnings. You are ignoring all of the warnings regarding Schiano, and instead are deciding to plunge with him when people all around you flashing the warning signs. Similar to the sub, you’re about to get crushed! Because anyone with two eyes who understands football can see he’s not a good coach anymore. Sorry buddy bud your hero is failing

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Al, just don’t kill yourself when he gets fired. I’m more concered for your own safety than anything else. Genuinely, your obsession with a CFB coach is unhealthy. You’re the kind of insane lunatic that even Greg would be uncomfortable around. You think you own the team, you don’t. Buoy refuse to look at things objectively. If you worked in business, there’s no doubt you would fail simply based on how emotionally invested you become. You’re like the guy from the titanic sub who was just Soo excited to go to the titanic that he ignored all the warnings. You are ignoring all of the warnings regarding Schiano, and instead are deciding to plunge with him when people all around you flashing the warning signs. Similar to the sub, you’re about to get crushed! Because anyone with two eyes who understands football can see he’s not a good coach anymore. Sorry buddy bud your hero is failing

What warning signs do you see? I see:

- the 17th ranked recruiting class which will fall as other schools fill their classes but is nonetheless, a solid achievement, considering where we’re at

- a diversified recruiting base, including NJ, FL, GA, NC, and the Midwest

- enough talent to be competitive

- a defense with enough talent and depth to keep Rutgers competitive

- an experienced coaching staff

What am I missing?

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

What warning signs do you see? I see:

- the 17th ranked recruiting class which will fall as other schools fill their classes but is nonetheless, a solid achievement, considering where we’re at

- a diversified recruiting base, including NJ, FL, GA, NC, and the Midwest

- enough talent to be competitive

- a defense with enough talent and depth to keep Rutgers competitive

- an experienced coaching staff

What am I missing?

I actually agree with this.
Greg is not getting fired.
The only way a move is made is that a big name decides to come here on the cheap as a self challenge. (NOT happening)

If Greg (and the university) keeps the faith and keeps laying bricks, people on this board will one day be raising $ for a statue. You may hate the time table, but slow steady progress is the only way to become good in the B1G. There are no short cuts or magic wands guys and gals.

 

[Retired711]

People conveniently forget that: the Board went mega-cheap and refused to pay over $1 mil for a head coach, which was about what the FCS schools were paying.

Perhaps my recollection is mistaken, but I remember a lot of praise on this board for the Flood hire on the grounds that a quick hire of someone already on the staff was the best way to keep the recruited class together.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Perhaps my recollection is mistaken, but I remember a lot of praise on this board for the Flood hire on the grounds that a quick hire of someone already on the staff was the best way to keep the recruited class together.

People were desperate to hold on to the recruiting class and Flood was not even the first or second option. He was the fall back option which eventually blew up in our face once Greg's classes started rolling off the roster.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

I actually agree with this.
Greg is not getting fired.
The only way a move is made is that a big name decides to come here on the cheap as a self challenge. (NOT happening)

If Greg (and the university) keeps the faith and keeps laying bricks, people on this board will one day be raising $ for a statue. You may hate the time table, but slow steady progress is the only way to become good in the B1G. There are no short cuts or magic wands guys and gals.

100% Correct. For us, there are no shortcuts to success, unfortunately. That’s not what people want to hear, but it’s the reality of our situation.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Perhaps my recollection is mistaken, but I remember a lot of praise on this board for the Flood hire on the grounds that a quick hire of someone already on the staff was the best way to keep the recruited class together.

Once Cristobal turned the job down, Flood was the only hire we could make, and keep the class, which we did. There was praise on the board because we kept the class, largely.
Things did work out for a year. The first sign of fissures in Floods tenure showed up when a ton of kids decommitted in the Fall of ‘13, including Jonathan Taylor.

 

[Retired711]

Barely beat mid-majorS? That plural s is surely an exaggeration because outside of the Temple game last year, we’ve blown out every midmajor we’ve played.

There are two extremes at play here. Both are out of line. Schiano’s performance to date doesn’t grade out to an A or a B. It also hasn’t been a D or an F level bad when you consider the bad luck we’ve had with injuries. He’s basically been a mediocre C. improved us notably from where we started when he took over but not good enough yet to get to a bowl game.

Isn't Boston College a mid-major? We beat them by a single point, right?

 

[Retired711]

Once Cristobal turned the job down, Flood was the only hire we could make, and keep the class, which we did. There was praise on the board because we kept the class, largely.
Things did work out for a year. The first sign of fissures in Floods tenure showed up when a ton of kids decommitted in the Fall of ‘13, including Jonathan Taylor.

Thanks! Al, all you had to do was to title your thread "We need to stay the course" -- which seems to be your actual position -- and you would not have attracted so many negative comments and personal abuse (e.g. "attention *****") The discussion would have more substantive as well.

 

[brgRC90]

Isn't Boston College a mid-major? We beat them by a single point, right?

They're an ACC team. They were, however, one of only 3 P5 teams ranked lower than us.

 

[brgRC90]

Thanks! Al, all you had to do was to title your thread "We need to stay the course" -- which seems to be your actual position -- and you would not have attracted so many negative comments and personal abuse (e.g. "attention *****") The discussion would have more substantive as well.

That wouldn't have made a difference. Stay the course? In no way so far does this team seem like it's moving in the right direction. If there was any really discernible progress fans would feel differently. At the start of last year most everyone said for the season to be a success we merely need to see improvement on offense--any improvement, anything, any morsel, a crumb. We did not see that, at all. They were shut out in Game 12 and didn't get past midfield. 12 more games of visual torture on offense.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

That wouldn't have made a difference. Stay the course? In no way so far does this team seem like it's moving in the right direction. If there was any really discernible progress fans would feel differently. At the start of last year most everyone said for the season to be a success we merely need to see improvement on offense--any improvement, anything, any morsel, a crumb. We did not see that, at all. They were shut out in Game 12 and didn't get past midfield. 12 more games of visual torture on offense.

Only because our starting quarterback was injured 3 weeks prior to the start of the season and the backups weren’t ready. So the backups went through their expected growing pains, which shouldn’t be a surprise. Now that Wimsatt has a year under his belt, he should be able to show tangible progress.
As he goes, so will the team.

 

[brgRC90]

Only because our starting quarterback was injured 3 weeks prior to the start of the season and the backups weren’t ready. So the backups went through their expected growing pains, which shouldn’t be a surprise. Now that Wimsatt has a year under his belt, he should be able to show tangible progress.
As he goes, so will the team.

The run game sucked, too. The o-line was terrible. The offense was horrible from Week 1.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

The run game sucked, too. The o-line was terrible. The offense was horrible from Week 1.

The run game sucked for the most part, but we did have some success against teams we could compete against, like Michigan State.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

The teams were competing against are working exceptionally hard to be the best players they can be.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ct1cU0OrFSS/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

 

[Retired711]

That wouldn't have made a difference. Stay the course? In no way so far does this team seem like it's moving in the right direction. If there was any really discernible progress fans would feel differently. At the start of last year most everyone said for the season to be a success we merely need to see improvement on offense--any improvement, anything, any morsel, a crumb. We did not see that, at all. They were shut out in Game 12 and didn't get past midfield. 12 more games of visual torture on offense.

Al could still have been wrong -- but at least he wouldn't have seemed ridiculous.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Temple is the only midmajor we've played with Schiano 2.0.

We blew out Temple, Delaware and Wagner in the other 3 games against non-major conference teams. 3 out of 4. I’m not trying to say there’s anything impressive about that - but it’s not accurate to say we’ve “barely been beating mid majors” when only one game against a mid-major was remotely close. The other two closer games were against ACC teams and we won those.