We have good coaches on offense, now, but they will need time to adequately develop the talent. This year we will have a functional offense, at the very least.
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We have good coaches on offense, now, but they will need time to adequately develop the talent. This year we will have a functional offense, at the very least.
I agree with much of what you say. The thing is that not all transfers require a huge amount or any real NIL. This is not an NIL/talent related issue. Schiano made a colossal mistake with his initial staff hire. He thought he could mold a young and inexperienced staff to attract and develop talent. It was an epic failure because they didn't attract talent and they had no real coaching chops at this level.
Yes it is. You're wrong. So wrong that the Kingdom Of Wrongdovia is calling for you to become their Wrongfully Elected Leader.
I lack the aptitude and have a comprehension hole?
More than anything else you're accomplishing in this thread, your own words are building a convincing case that GS should be fired for incompetence. This is what you've written in this thread, paraphrased...
GS tried to hire experienced coaches from the start. But he failed in that.
So GS tried to hire coaches who could at least recruit. Only you also said we don't have the talent to win right now. So he failed in that as well.
I don't think he should be fired yet. But you're starting to convince me otherwise. Good work.
I lack the aptitude and have a comprehension hole?
More than anything else you're accomplishing in this thread, your own words are building a convincing case that GS should be fired for incompetence. This is what you've written in this thread, paraphrased...
GS tried to hire experienced coaches from the start. But he failed in that.
So GS tried to hire coaches who could at least recruit. Only you also said we don't have the talent to win right now. So he failed in that as well.
I don't think he should be fired yet. But you're starting to convince me otherwise. Good work.
I’m not sure why it’s so difficult for you to understand that the prior coaches made us more competitive, from 2019, even though they lacked experience. They made progress, though not enough to win. To expect a competitive big ten team in four recruiting classes with mostly 2 and 3 star recruits is probably unrealistic because kids need to develop.
The new, experienced hires are going to help us win.
Now why couldn’t Schiano hire experienced coaches in the beginning? BECAUSE REBUILDS REQUIRE A LOT OF WORK!!!!
And we couldn’t make the experienced hires at the price we were offering. Chris Ash experienced the same thing, which is why his staff was light on experience, as well.
The impact transfers that would take Rutgers to the next level require NIL. We need WR1 and TE1.
Schiano’s original staff had experience it’s not like they just started their coaching career in 2020I lack the aptitude and have a comprehension hole?
More than anything else you're accomplishing in this thread, your own words are building a convincing case that GS should be fired for incompetence. This is what you've written in this thread, paraphrased...
GS tried to hire experienced coaches from the start. But he failed in that.
So GS tried to hire coaches who could at least recruit. Only you also said we don't have the talent to win right now. So he failed in that as well.
I don't think he should be fired yet. But you're starting to convince me otherwise. Good work.
Gleason came from Oklahoma State where he was Co OC /QB coach
Robb Smith was a DC at a few stops before returning to work under G2
Aurich came from Princeton where he as the OC and had been coaching since he was player development coach at RU in 2009
Panagos started coaching the DL at UCF in 2007
Bob Fraser is another with vast experience
Campanile was the interim RU HC before Greg was hired and had been a RU coach since 2018
Scheier been in the game since 1996 and was the TT ST coach in 2018, also had been Bowling Green’s interim HC at one time
Fran Brown needs no interdiction
Schiano’s first staff wasn’t a bunch of losers, they made the best of the talent on roster and did their job
The new to college coaching hires were put in place to help recruiting and that’s always a gamble , but Hoffman was well connected to the NJ HS FB scene
We were 1-8 in conference last year. I don't view that as competitive. Competitive, to me, means winning half our conference games every year.
As for the future, people can make all the predictions they want, optimistic or otherwise. I'll wait to see what happens and see zero value in making predictions about it.
I agree with everything you say, except for perhaps colossal. But it was a pretty big mistake. I wonder why he kept those NJ coaches on when they did not really produce any meaningful recruits having been with RU for several years. The mistake was compounded by hiring TU, and it looked like he was trying to do him a solid, which then backfired and seems to have hurt their relationship. Seems like the entire staff was not aligned.
Will say this much- the defensive staff seems tightly aligned. Marquise Watson is worth every penny he is paid. He is killing it on the recruiting trail. Will not make a prediction that someone will kill me with later, but with KC and Brock back, hopefully there is alignment there too.
This don’t even make sense, Bruv. Experienced coaches are the ones you need for a rebuild. Why you think all of those other schools I listed had a quicker turnaround than Rutgers did? And it’s not because Rutgers is in the B10 (please don’t tell me that Vandy in the SEC has it easy than Rutgers???
).Most head coaches who tries your strategy is gone and not given a second chance. Only Schiano at Rutgers, esp for Camp and Hoffman not doing what they were expected to do.
We were 7 points away from 6-6, but finished 4-8. That’s competitive enough for me in year 3.
This don’t even make sense, Bruv. Experienced coaches are the ones you need for a rebuild. Why you think all of those other schools I listed had a quicker turnaround than Rutgers did? And it’s not because Rutgers is in the B10 (please don’t tell me that Vandy in the SEC has it easy than Rutgers???
Most head coaches who tries your strategy is gone and not given a second chance. Only Schiano at Rutgers, esp for Camp and Hoffman not doing what they were expected to do.
You have to pay a large premium to experienced coaches to go through a rebuild. They’re not willing to do that extra work for free. We have experienced coaches now, so we will see better development and a function offense.
There does seem to be a lot of retrofitting of the narrative to fit what actually happened. I can't imagine that the evolution of Schiano II was planned and scheduled this way...
USC and ucla weren’t part of schiano ii planning. We’re getting screwed, playing ucla rather than Indiana. All the rest of the teams of the big ten east, then Minnesota, Illinois, and Iowa. Going to be hard to find wins.
No Al the transfers we needed all along are in the trenches. You can have all the skill positions you want and pay them huge NIL and still not succeed. You need to create holes and keep your QB upright. And that is why I said not all transfers require huge amounts of NIL.
I'll repeat something that I've said often I can deal with 4/5 wins this year and even losing by 3 TDs to the B1G boys. What has to stop is the 30 something to nothing losses to teams like Minnesota and Maryland.
We were also beating Michigan (which finished #3 in the nation) at haltime until our QBs started to think that our WRs were wearing white jerseys.
It goes both ways. You were 3 points away from being 2-10.
In the end, the team won 4 games, by the skin of its teeth. That's bad. You are what your record says you are.
Under what alternative universe is a class made up entirely of 3 star recruits a “monster” class?! It is the very definition of “ok” faaaaaaaaaaar from “monster” class
Al is a clown. Always has been.
Wow!!!!
Just wow!!!!
This comment speaks volumes @rutgersal
Honestly, all this time I thought you were a hopeless optimist, but you’re really the opposite.
This comment is utter, total ********!!
You really set the bar so low for Rutgers?!?!
Rutgers is “2 - 3 star program”
Really!!?!
I would expect to hear such a comment from the most pessimistic anti-RU troll.
Not from a supposedly enthusiastic RU fan
We are in the Big 10!!!!
There is absolutely NO REASON we shouldn’t have a recruiting class made up mostly of 4 stars and high-level 3s with the some 5 stars mixed in.
By saying Rutgers is a “2-3 star program” you are saying Rutgers is a dog-**** program where no coach could consistently attract 4 star recruits.
Really?!?
As a “2-3 star program” you obviously think RU will forever be in the Big10 gutter because that’s what gutter programs in power5 conferences do (ie only attract 2-3 star kids).
Wow Al!!!
I honestly never thought you thought so lowly of Rutgers !!
I am truly stunned by this …. from all people .
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But it ain’t gonna stop, Colby. It’s a disaster. I know you admitted being wrong about the Wagner redux. Want to wager there won’t be a third ? There are very very few FCS teams we can beat for sure and Schiano has them on speed dial or else risk going 0-fer.
Wrong. Miles Frazier, a kid from Camden, took an NIL deal to go play at LSU. He was our #1 Choice to play Left Tackle last year. Instead, we were stuck with Willie. Good Offensive Lineman transfers are getting a piece of the pie. And this kid previously played at FIU!
This is Rutgers not fantasyland. Schiano called this a developmental program. Developing kids is what we do. We take 2 and 3 star recruits and ultimately mold a good portion of them into 4 and 5 star players.
4 and 5 star recruits are getting paid significantly. So if you want them, you’ll need to pony up. We will also need a football Fieldhouse just like what Maryland built to the tune of $300M.
Beyond a few examples from 15 years ago (Mccourtys and rice) please show me the constant stream of 2-3 star recruits that Schiano has turned into 4-5 star players
And please provide the list made up of players from Schiano 2.0
Oh, and in order to be a competitive program Schiano will have to develop a ROSTER FULL of 2-3 stars players into 4-5 star players (which is what you say he does)… so please provide a roster-size list of kids during Schiano 2.0 that he has developed in this way
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We lost 37-0 to Maryland last year because without a functional offense last year, the team was spent, during its last game.
This year, the coaching has been significantly improved, and the talent has been improved, so we should see significant improvement against teams like Maryland and Minnesota.
You can look at the Defensive depth chart and find those players. Defense is ready to go. The offense needs more talent. Google is your friend here. Google “Rutgers ‘23 depth chart”
But wait -
On one hand you say we “need talent” (which means higher level recruits with recognized/ rated talent)
But then you say that the Rutgers way is to recruit low-level talent and then “develop” them into talented “4-5 star” players?
Which is it Al?
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We’ve done a good job identifying and developing defensive players. We haven’t been able to develop enough offensive players. Not every kid is going to work out.
Oooohhhh got it
So on defense we recruit crappy players but develop them into “4-5 star” players
But that doesn’t happen for the other 50% of the team. So, as you say, we need to recruit “talent” on that side of the ball.
Things is that seems like a real dilemma since, as you say, we only recruit 2-3 star players AND we haven’t been able to develop offensive players as you’ve pointed out
I mean seems like a real problem
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We don’t recruit crappy players. We recruit players with NFL measurables and potential.
The defense has all the players it needs to be successful.
The offense needs more impact players, namely WR1 and TE1. Difficult to have an effective offense without go to players at wide receiver and tight end.
But you said we recruit “2-3 star players”
Al - players with “NFL measurables and potential” are not rated 2-3 stars by rivals,etc
No.
players with “NFL measurables and potential” are rated 4-5 stars.
I’m beginning to think you’re talking in circles
I don’t care what rivals rates kids.
Isaiah Pacheco, Mohamed Sanu, Devin McCourty, Kevin Malast, Ray Rice, Jason McCourty, Darnell Stapleton, Tiquan Underwood, Duron Harmon, Clark Harris were examples of 2 and 3 star kids with nfl measurables and potential who either played in the NFL or are currently active.
Again not every player is demanding huge sums. You can attract good talent without breaking the bank is the point Al.
Miles was a freshmen all American at FIU. He was a late bloomer and had academic issues. That is why he ended up at FIU.
Ray rice and Devon McCourtey were also recruited nearly 2 decades ago when recruiting rankings and ‘stars’ were in their infancy. The scouting over the last 20 years has improved tremendously. Beyond this there is do denying the correlation of strong recruiting and results.
The excuse making for your husband is getting laughable at this point