The Next Two Years are Free

Shelby65

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Lack of NIL and inadequate facilities are holding us back from getting commitments from elite prospects who have choices. We can get solid 3* prospects. It’s the 4* and 5* difference makers which are out of our league.

We need at least some of these to beat PSU, OSU, and UM. Jordan Thomas is a good example. He’s a Bosco kid who visited us last weekend then committed to Georgia.
Nevermind Georgia, Al. We’re bottom feeders and it’s because of the coach, not anything more.
 

brgRC90

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You know things are going great when the threads in the run up to a new season are: whether or not the coach is to blame for the team being bad, whether or not the QB of the future stinks, and whether or not lack of NIL money is why the team stinks. Bring on the football!
 
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MADHAT1

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You know things are going great when the threads in the run up to a new season are: whether or not the coach is to blame for the team being bad, whether or not the QB of the future stinks, and whether or not lack of NIL money is why the team stinks. Bring on the football!
The team's a work in progress, trying to make a good program from a terrible one, just like what happened when G1 took the reigns in 2001
2001Rutgers2–90–78th
2002Rutgers1–110–78th
2003Rutgers5–72–57th
2004Rutgers4–71–56th
2005Rutgers7–54–33rdL Insight
2006Rutgers11–25–2T–2ndW Texas1212
2007Rutgers8–53–4T–5thW International
2008Rutgers8–55–2T–2ndW Papajohns.com
2009Rutgers9–43–4T–4thW St. Petersburg
2010Rutgers4–81–68th
2011Rutgers9–44–3T–4thW Pinstripe
 

brgRC90

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The team's a work in progress, trying to make a good program from a terrible one, just like what happened when G1 took the reigns in 2001
2001Rutgers2–90–78th
2002Rutgers1–110–78th
2003Rutgers5–72–57th
2004Rutgers4–71–56th
2005Rutgers7–54–33rdL Insight
2006Rutgers11–25–2T–2ndW Texas1212
2007Rutgers8–53–4T–5thW International
2008Rutgers8–55–2T–2ndW Papajohns.com
2009Rutgers9–43–4T–4thW St. Petersburg
2010Rutgers4–81–68th
2011Rutgers9–44–3T–4thW Pinstripe
With so much progress that in Year 4 we're not sure if our QB of The Future knows how to throw the ball.
 
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So then this year's class isn't going to be a monster class and we still haven't closed the talent gap?

I'm just trying to understand if recruiting is improving or not.

If the new facility isn't built until say mid 2025? Just a guess.
Then it won't impress recruits until Class of 2026 or 2027.
Then figure 2-3 years for those players to mature and become upperclassmen.
So really it's 2029 or 2030 until the breakout year?


It’s is a monster class because it’s filled with high caliber 3*, who are going to make us competitive with most of the Big Ten. We might even be able to give the elite a serious challenge. Look at the quality of offers our commitments have to determine the quality of the class.

Until the shovel is in the ground, I won’t be anticipating any impact from the fieldhouse. Know it’s going to be built . Just don’t know when.

We should have everything we need to be competitive by 2025.
 

mikebal9

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It’s is a monster class because it’s filled with high caliber 3*, who are going to make us competitive with most of the Big Ten. We might even be able to give the elite a serious challenge. Look at the quality of offers our commitments have to determine the quality of the class.

Until the shovel is in the ground, I won’t be anticipating any impact from the fieldhouse. Know it’s going to be built . Just don’t know when.

We should have everything we need to be competitive by 2025.
You and I have a different definition of monster class. Pike has a monster in 24. Classes full of 3 stars aren't even noteworthy in the B1G.
 
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Who needs a field house? No need for a field house afterall. "They'd get dressed in a trash can for $25,000"

NIL isn’t a factor for us in attracting players. It’s only a factor in retention. Can’t afford to have no NIL and subpar facilities. Our new football Fieldhouse is going to be built.
 
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You and I have a different definition of monster class. Pike has a monster in 24. Classes full of 3 stars aren't even noteworthy in the B1G.

This is a special class of 3*, not unlike the 2005 class of Ray Rice, Jason McCourty, Devin McCourty, Kevin Malast and others. That was a Monster Class and so is the ‘24 Class, as this Class is going to make us winners.
 
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kupuna133

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NIL isn’t a factor for us in attracting players. It’s only a factor in retention. Can’t afford to have no NIL and subpar facilities. Our new football Fieldhouse is going to be built.
Not saying it won’t or shouldn’t be built. Would love to see it fast tracked. I’m a realist though. Maryland learned it’s not a panacea.
 

mikebal9

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This is a special class of 3*, not unlike the 2005 class of Ray Rice, Jason McCourty, Devin McCourty, Kevin Malast and others. That was a Monster Class and so is the ‘24 Class, as this Class is going to make us winners.
Office Space No GIF
 

brgRC90

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Not saying it won’t or shouldn’t be built. Would love to see it fast tracked. I’m a realist though. Maryland learned it’s not a panacea.
Maryland proves that just throwing money at a football program doesn't get wins. So does Texas A&M.
 
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DJ Spanky

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Nevermind Georgia, Al. We’re bottom feeders and it’s because of the coach, not anything more.

Lookie, lookie, lookie, lookie!!! One of the founding members of the He Man Schiano Haters Club crawled out of the woodwork!
 

RUTGERS95

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You know things are going great when the threads in the run up to a new season are: whether or not the coach is to blame for the team being bad, whether or not the QB of the future stinks, and whether or not lack of NIL money is why the team stinks. Bring on the football!
and that beating indiana means progress

holy **** some of our fans are absolutely bonkers


Al, what do you do for a living?
 
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RU Cheese

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and that beating indiana means progress

holy **** some of our fans are absolutely bonkers


Al, what do you do for a living?
He's clearly in marketing for either a) a certain athletics program, b) message board geniuses, or c) Gary Schiano.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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and that beating indiana means progress

holy **** some of our fans are absolutely bonkers


Al, what do you do for a living?

It doesn’t mean “progress” per se in a vaccum. The point is that the Nebraska loss wasn’t on Schiano. “His way” results in a win. “His way” also results in a less lopsided loss to Iowa. Sure - Evan threw for 300 yards but the aggressive play resulted in turnovers that gifted Iowa 17 of their 27 points.

The point I’m making here is that Schiano’s blueprint would’ve had us at 5-2 with the losses being @ OSU and a close home loss to Iowa (something like 10-3…). Completely different trajectory. Nobody getting fired mid season. That would’ve been progress.
 

yessir321

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RedTeam1994 in 2004 flat out said Schiano wouldn’t get it done, and deserved to be fired. Once we started being successful, he had egg on his face, and he disappeared like the wind.
Al, do you really want people to start bringing up your ‘predictions’ from the past? Mr Pot, may I introduce you to Miss Kettle.

Much as we all wish we did per your predictions throughout the years we should have 4-5 NC’s at this point and firmly established ourselves as ‘The USC of the East’…. Bro, you literally are pissing off fellow Rutgers fans over your love affair with Schiano, seek help
 

Section124

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Al is using 1.0 as his basis for our trajectory with 2.0. However the game and league are so much different. Plus GS has showed us he learned nothing about offense at OSU. We all want him to succeed and hope he does, but it’s not looking good right now.
 
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PSAL_Hoops

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Al, do you really want people to start bringing up your ‘predictions’ from the past? Mr Pot, may I introduce you to Miss Kettle.

Much as we all wish we did per your predictions throughout the years we should have 4-5 NC’s at this point and firmly established ourselves as ‘The USC of the East’…. Bro, you literally are pissing off fellow Rutgers fans over your love affair with Schiano, seek help

Those predictions have nothing to do with this thread. He used the wrong word in “free” but he’s basically just saying that If GW doesn’t work out this year, Schiano will get one more chance to make things “work”with someone else.

I’m quoting “work”because you and some others seem to think certain other coaches would have us as a regular 9+ win team. Your entitled to believe that, but the reality is Al is right that if Schiano delivers a 7 win team in 2025 or before that, he’s probably not going anywhere (unless maybe if we start losing toTemple or Wagner types) . You may not agree with that (and whether Al agrees isn’t even relevant). His post here is attributing the time as “free” because he’s predicting what would actually happen which is likely spot on.
 

RUTGERS95

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It doesn’t mean “progress” per se in a vaccum. The point is that the Nebraska loss wasn’t on Schiano. “His way” results in a win. “His way” also results in a less lopsided loss to Iowa. Sure - Evan threw for 300 yards but the aggressive play resulted in turnovers that gifted Iowa 17 of their 27 points.

The point I’m making here is that Schiano’s blueprint would’ve had us at 5-2 with the losses being @ OSU and a close home loss to Iowa (something like 10-3…). Completely different trajectory. Nobody getting fired mid season. That would’ve been progress.
respectfully, you're high
 

brgRC90

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Those predictions have nothing to do with this thread. He used the wrong word in “free” but he’s basically just saying that If GW doesn’t work out this year, Schiano will get one more chance to make things “work”with someone else.

I’m quoting “work”because you and some others seem to think certain other coaches would have us as a regular 9+ win team. Your entitled to believe that, but the reality is Al is right that if Schiano delivers a 7 win team in 2025 or before that, he’s probably not going anywhere (unless maybe if we start losing toTemple or Wagner types) . You may not agree with that (and whether Al agrees isn’t even relevant). His post here is attributing the time as “free” because he’s predicting what would actually happen which is likely spot on.
What he's saying is it would be nice if the team did better in the next two seasons but if they don't no biggie. Nobody should really expect improvement in less than 6 years (!)--long after more than one of his classes has graduated. What a sweet deal for the coach, fans with very low expectations and demands while he banks more money each year than most people will earn in a lifetime.
 

RUTGERS95

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What he's saying is it would be nice if the team did better in the next two seasons but if they don't no biggie. Nobody should really expect improvement in less than 6 years (!)--long after more than one of his classes has graduated. What a sweet deal for the coach, fans with very low expectations and demands while he banks more money each year than most people will earn in a lifetime.
testify!!!!!
 
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tico brown

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We used to have an inexperienced coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball. That is no longer the case.

How much experience did Augie have as OL Coach before he started at Rutgers?
How much experience did Tiquan have as WR Coach?
How much experience did Andrew Aurich have?
How much experience did Nunzio have?
How much experience did Gleeson have as OC, when it’s well known that Mike Gundy calls the plays?
If this is the case, who is the guy who hired all of these “inexperienced coaches” when they needed to develop the players they had at the time?
 
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If this is the case, who is the guy who hired all of these “inexperienced coaches” when they needed to develop the players they had at the time?

The team that was inherited lacked talent, which is why experienced coaches wanted no part of this job. it was going to take a lot of work to replenish the roster. The hardest recruiting work has been done and my hat is off to Nunzio and Auggie, who did a good job.

Now that the talent has been significantly replenished, it’s up to the new coaches to take things to the next level, and we are off to a rousing start, landing Crumpler and Black, among others. Get Brown and Duff and we’re good to go.

Then going forward, we will have a good pipeline of talent, recruiting NC, FL, NY, PA, and NJ. Wouldn’t be surprised to see us pop over to CA to get a few players. If Jersey kids don’t want to jump aboard, we’ll get enough talent from elsewhere.
 
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What he's saying is it would be nice if the team did better in the next two seasons but if they don't no biggie. Nobody should really expect improvement in less than 6 years (!)--long after more than one of his classes has graduated. What a sweet deal for the coach, fans with very low expectations and demands while he banks more money each year than most people will earn in a lifetime.

We will see improvement over the next two years, though we might not see the amount of wins we all want to see.

It’s a sweet deal for you too. You don’t buy tickets. You don’t donate. You don’t pay the coach. Yet you will get to see improvement, without venturing anything. Not sure what your problem is. You don’t have a stake in Rutgers Footballs success.
 
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To paraphrase a 9 page thread - we don't have the money to fire Schiano and hire a new coach in the next two years so Schiano still has some time to turn this ship around.

Nope. This is the intent:

Since We don’t support the program enough to recruit highly rated football players, the coaches recruit players with high potential so that some might contribute at a high level once they develop. This takes time. Two more years and we’ll be good to go.
 
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Al is using 1.0 as his basis for our trajectory with 2.0. However the game and league are so much different. Plus GS has showed us he learned nothing about offense at OSU. We all want him to succeed and hope he does, but it’s not looking good right now.

We’re not going to be successful emulating the strategies that other teams are using and going after the same players. We have to differentiate ourselves so that we can be successful. We are going to be defensive oriented and we are going to run the ball.

This provides us our best opportunity for success.

We may not beat OSU, PSU, or Michigan for now, but we should have an opportunity to beat everyone else.
 

brgRC90

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We will see improvement over the next two years, though we might not see the amount of wins we all want to see.

It’s a sweet deal for you too. You don’t buy tickets. You don’t donate. You don’t pay the coach. Yet you will get to see improvement, without venturing anything. Not sure what your problem is. You don’t have a stake in Rutgers Footballs success.
Absolutely I will not give money to the football program while it wastes it on bad coaches. I give money to other teams that spend it better.
 
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Al, do you really want people to start bringing up your ‘predictions’ from the past? Mr Pot, may I introduce you to Miss Kettle.

Much as we all wish we did per your predictions throughout the years we should have 4-5 NC’s at this point and firmly established ourselves as ‘The USC of the East’…. Bro, you literally are pissing off fellow Rutgers fans over your love affair with Schiano, seek help

Had we hired Mario Cristobal, whom Tim Pernetti offered but was turned down because it wasn’t enough money, Rutgers would have been a winning program the last 10 years, at the least. For 800K more Mario would have come,imo. And by now, we would have been USC of the East.

He would have left for Miami at some point and then Schiano would have slid back in. Instead we made the wrong hire, and we’re wandering the wilderness until 2020.
 

Section124

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We’re not going to be successful emulating the strategies that other teams are using and going after the same players. We have to differentiate ourselves so that we can be successful. We are going to be defensive oriented and we are going to run the ball.

This provides us our best opportunity for success.

We may not beat OSU, PSU, or Michigan for now, but we should have an opportunity to beat everyone else.
Pre-1980 football will not win in today's game. You will never be able to score enough points. Even the great SEC defenses give up points.