The Next Two Years are Free

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Everything your saying would be spot on. Except that to this point, our promising 4 star QB has looked like a complete bust beyond the scope of what could be realistically pinned on a coach or the surrounding cast of players. It’s been point blank lack of accuracy even when the opponent is a team like Wagner.


Let’s hope that changes next year

And we should have options, if that's the case. After year 1, I didn't think we should be sticking with NV but we did. We haven't had a consistent passer and that's an issue. We'll see if anything changes but if it's the same thing in year 4, that's not a good look.

People say we can't get a QB to come here without NIL or whatever. I call BS. Playing time, opportunity and an attractive offense can get you some options. DJU 5 star just went from Clemson to Oregon State and Oregon State wasn't even a pass happy offense last year. WKU got 2 qbs one from Houston Baptist and one from University of West Florida (D2 IIRC) and they led the NCAA in passing. WSU also got a passer from the lower levels in recent years who did a solid job. So I don't buy this you can't get options, you can. Wisconsin isn't known for qbs really but they go hire Longo and boom 4 solid qbs come aboard.

 

[yessir321]

Prime is backed by an army of boosters willing to spend money to make Colorado the best it can be. We have an army of posters running their mouth on the messageboard.

I suggest you look at what those boosters gave prior to Prime's hriing. The COlorado AD had enough faith to know what would come in terms of giving once Prime was hired to move forward with it. Colorado's booster's up until last year gave even less than Rutgers Boosters! But here you are once again blaming our FANS AND BOOSTERS for not giving enough while absolutely refusing to hold your husband any sort of accountable.. Al, these aren't opposing fan's telling you you are wrong, these are your fellow RU fans telling you how ridiculous you sound.

Take the 'L'. Move on to next weeks episode of Message Board Genius's which you will inevitably make

 

[yessir321]

We don’t have the opportunity to recruit the best kids in the portal, because there isn’t enough NIL support.

Maryland with Taulia Tagovailoa has been a particularly difficult game for us the last few years. We would need Wimsatt to outplay him, which is possible, but not likely. Northwestern is another difficult but winnable game for us.

Northwestern won 1 F-ing game last year! How in the world are you not willing to hold our HC accountable whatsoever!!! When even the eternal optimist, RutgersAl, thinks a 1 win team from last year will be "Difficult", you KNOW something is wrong... Al, EVERYONE wants Schiano to be succesful, we want that because that means RUTGERS is successful. At the same time it's important to not get caught up in the fanfair of a name and judge someone based on their body of work.

NO ONE will ever convince me that it was a good coaching decision NOT to run a 2 min drill down 6 with 1:33 left on the clock after 2 splash plays with 3 timeouts left vs a team with 5 starters suspended... a game we wound up losing by 7. NO ONE will ever convince me that an acceptable way to run an offensive series from a P5 football program is composed of 3 different quarterbacks taking 3 successive snaps. NO ONE will convince me that rushing the opposing QB when the opponent is taking a knee to kill the clock is not the single most embarrassing play in CFB. NO ONE will ever convince me our talent level is a combined 67-0 worse than Maryland and Minnesota. Not talking OSU, Mich, etc, MARYLAND AND MINNESOTA! That falls directly on game preperation and coaching, point blank. Couple in the fact that all of last year every one of 2.0's press conferences sounded like a broken, defeated man who offers nothing but excuses and somehow is convinced Rutgers is the only school in the country that deals with injuries.

Al, were we "Better in November" by ending the season 37-0 vs Maryland and never crossed our own 40?

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

We don’t have the opportunity to recruit the best kids in the portal, because there isn’t enough NIL support.

Maryland with Taulia Tagovailoa has been a particularly difficult game for us the last few years. We would need Wimsatt to outplay him, which is possible, but not likely. Northwestern is another difficult but winnable game for us.

Recruiting is about winning and playing in a way that will attract talented players. What impact offensive player wants to be part of an offense where the featured play is a blown up QB turned TE running up the middle? NIL is an excuse.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Northwestern won 1 F-ing game last year! How in the world are you not willing to hold our HC accountable whatsoever!!! When even the eternal optimist, RutgersAl, thinks a 1 win team from last year will be "Difficult", you KNOW something is wrong... Al, EVERYONE wants Schiano to be succesful, we want that because that means RUTGERS is successful. At the same time it's important to not get caught up in the fanfair of a name and judge someone based on their body of work.

NO ONE will ever convince me that it was a good coaching decision NOT to run a 2 min drill down 6 with 1:33 left on the clock after 2 splash plays with 3 timeouts left vs a team with 5 starters suspended... a game we wound up losing by 7. NO ONE will ever convince me that an acceptable way to run an offensive series from a P5 football program is composed of 3 different quarterbacks taking 3 successive snaps. NO ONE will convince me that rushing the opposing QB when the opponent is taking a knee to kill the clock is not the single most embarrassing play in CFB. NO ONE will ever convince me our talent level is a combined 67-0 worse than Maryland and Minnesota. Not talking OSU, Mich, etc, MARYLAND AND MINNESOTA! That falls directly on game preperation and coaching, point blank. Couple in the fact that all of last year every one of 2.0's press conferences sounded like a broken, defeated man who offers nothing but excuses and somehow is convinced Rutgers is the only school in the country that deals with injuries.

Al, were we "Better in November" by ending the season 37-0 vs Maryland and never crossed our own 40?

Last year doesn’t matter if they turn out to be 7-8 win teams next year.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Recruiting is about winning and playing in a way that will attract talented players. What impact offensive player wants to be part of an offense where the featured play is a blown up QB turned TE running up the middle? NIL is an excuse.

We’re not going to be successful adopting the style of better programs with 3* players. Defense is going to dominate and we are going to be a tough, physical, team on offense that runs the ball, and takes shots downfield. We’re not going to be a team that throws the ball all over the place. And that’s just the way it’s going to be.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

I suggest you look at what those boosters gave prior to Prime's hriing. The COlorado AD had enough faith to know what would come in terms of giving once Prime was hired to move forward with it. Colorado's booster's up until last year gave even less than Rutgers Boosters! But here you are once again blaming our FANS AND BOOSTERS for not giving enough while absolutely refusing to hold your husband any sort of accountable.. Al, these aren't opposing fan's telling you you are wrong, these are your fellow RU fans telling you how ridiculous you sound.

Take the 'L'. Move on to next weeks episode of Message Board Genius's which you will inevitably make

Colorado won a National Championship in 1990. That doesn’t happen without big monied boosters doing their part. The boosters have always been there but went dormant as the team has struggled.

Jim Delaney called out out fanbase’s lack of support. The fact is, the support has to come before success. Without it, it is very difficult to be successful.

There’s nothing to be accountable for, yet. At the outset, most knew this was going to be a long build job, five years at the minimum. Now it looks like it’s going to take 6 years. For a program with the level of support we have and the level of competition we face, that’s not too bad, especially considering, we’re building this program with mostly 2 and 3 star players.

 

[Knight Shift]

Colorado won a National Championship in 1990. That doesn’t happen without big monied boosters doing their part. The boosters have always been there but went dormant as the team has struggled.

Jim Delaney called out out fanbase’s lack of support. The fact is, the support has to come before success. Without it, it is very difficult to be successful.

There’s nothing to be accountable for, yet. At the outset, most knew this was going to be a long build job, five years at the minimum. Now it looks like it’s going to take 6 years. For a program with the level of support we have and the level of competition we face, that’s not too bad, especially considering, we’re building this program with mostly 2 and 3 star players.

Only silly al "knew" this. And be real, al, your goalposts keep moving farther out with each new excuse you conjure up. You are right 6 years is not too bad---6 years is terrible.
Just stop already.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Only silly al "knew" this. And be real, al, your goalposts keep moving farther out with each new excuse you conjure up. You are right 6 years is not too bad---6 years is terrible.
Just stop already.

By the next page or two it’ll be 8 years and by page 20 it will be a 10 year rebuild.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

We’re not going to be successful adopting the style of better programs with 3* players. Defense is going to dominate and we are going to be a tough, physical, team on offense that runs the ball, and takes shots downfield. We’re not going to be a team that throws the ball all over the place. And that’s just the way it’s going to be.

I think it’s time to park this thread for a while and see where things go. Obviously, some of our fans aren’t seeing that if a few unfortunate injuries hadn’t hit us to the wrong players last season, a bowl game would’ve been very likely. For all of Noah’s flaws - the pre-injury version of him would’ve been good enough. There’s no way we lose that Nebraska game if he could grip the damn ball. We don’t lose if we keep the ball on the ground either but that’s another story. Michigan State game is a win too with a mediocre QB who has a reasonably reliable short game. We didn’t need an influx of major talent to be a 6 win caliber team. We probably even could’ve withstood the loss of Sam Brown for the season and gotten to the 6 win mark. Losing Noah killed us. That’s the bottom line. And no - I’m not saying Noah is a good QB but that’s precisely the point. He’s not good - but he would’ve been “good enough” with our surrounding cast to get to 6. That tells me the rest of our team is on the right track. The problem is - I don’t know that we have an QB option of the caliber of pre-injury Noah right now. Wimsatt or Evan would have to improve a lot to get to that level in my opinion. Their starting point was that bad. This is the hole we need to fill. Yes - there are still other positions that could use upgrading but we’re moving in the right direction everywhere else. We just need to find a reliable QB and we will see improvement. If it doesn’t happen this year, I expect to see it addressed next season. We’ll see. Again - time to put this conversation on hold. Let’s see what happens.

 

[yessir321]

Last year doesn’t matter if they turn out to be 7-8 win teams next year.

If pigs could fly

 

[yessir321]

Colorado won a National Championship in 1990. That doesn’t happen without big monied boosters doing their part. The boosters have always been there but went dormant as the team has struggled.

Jim Delaney called out out fanbase’s lack of support. The fact is, the support has to come before success. Without it, it is very difficult to be successful.

There’s nothing to be accountable for, yet. At the outset, most knew this was going to be a long build job, five years at the minimum. Now it looks like it’s going to take 6 years. For a program with the level of support we have and the level of competition we face, that’s not too bad, especially considering, we’re building this program with mostly 2 and 3 star players.

Al, I know this may come as a surprise to you but 1990 was 33 years ago…. If you really think any school has the same main boosters now as they did in 1990 I have some beachfront property in Kansas for you.

Al, who are you trying to convince here? If anything you are doing the opposite of your goal in these posts and are showing people what a dogsh*t coach Greg Schiano 2.0 is

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

I think it’s time to park this thread for a while and see where things go. Obviously, some of our fans aren’t seeing that if a few unfortunate injuries hadn’t hit us to the wrong players last season, a bowl game would’ve been very likely. For all of Noah’s flaws - the pre-injury version of him would’ve been good enough. There’s no way we lose that Nebraska game if he could grip the damn ball. We don’t lose if we keep the ball on the ground either but that’s another story. Michigan State game is a win too with a mediocre QB who has a reasonably reliable short game. We didn’t need an influx of major talent to be a 6 win caliber team. We probably even could’ve withstood the loss of Sam Brown for the season and gotten to the 6 win mark. Losing Noah killed us. That’s the bottom line. And no - I’m not saying Noah is a good QB but that’s precisely the point. He’s not good - but he would’ve been “good enough” with our surrounding cast to get to 6. That tells me the rest of our team is on the right track. The problem is - I don’t know that we have an QB option of the caliber of pre-injury Noah right now. Wimsatt or Evan would have to improve a lot to get to that level in my opinion. Their starting point was that bad. This is the hole we need to fill. Yes - there are still other positions that could use upgrading but we’re moving in the right direction everywhere else. We just need to find a reliable QB and we will see improvement. If it doesn’t happen this year, I expect to see it addressed next season. We’ll see. Again - time to put this conversation on hold. Let’s see what happens.

Last year Noah was good enough, is the key phrase. Yes, he was good enough, and he proved that in 2021. I met his family in ‘21 at Michigan and the bowl game and they’re all awesome.

This year is all on Wimsatt’s shoulders. He needs to step up and be the QB we thought he could be.

If he can throw for at least 56% with more TDS than ints, it will be a good year. OL figures to be incrementally better, thx to Flaherty’s tutelage. Even more so if Sutton is a Go, and can play Right Guard or Tackle. Pierce is a big upgrade over Willie, who was a decent run blocker. Brown will be solid. Dunlap needs to make fewer mental mistakes. Needham or Chin will be the new guy at Right Tackle. Brown, Monangai, and Young need to rush for 2K yards. Jackson, Bowman, Konopka and Brantley, need to step up. Jonny will give us his 30-35 catches.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Al, I know this may come as a surprise to you but 1990 was 33 years ago…. If you really think any school has the same main boosters now as they did in 1990 I have some beachfront property in Kansas for you.

Al, who are you trying to convince here? If anything you are doing the opposite of your goal in these posts and are showing people what a dogsh*t coach Greg Schiano 2.0 is

Boosters have decendents. That’s the whole idea of maintaining legacies. Without booster support, Deion wasn’t taking the job. Travis Hunter wasn’t going to Colorado for tiddlywinks.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Only silly al "knew" this. And be real, al, your goalposts keep moving farther out with each new excuse you conjure up. You are right 6 years is not too bad---6 years is terrible.
Just stop already.

No, it’s not terrible, especially with our level of support. It took 5 years during Schiano I. 6 years in a more difficult conference is about right.

 

[Knight Shift]

No, it’s not terrible, especially with our level of support. It took 5 years during Schiano I. 6 years in a more difficult conference is about right.

Loser mentality. Enabler.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Loser mentality. Enabler.

That’s our reality. Hey, we’ve got a possibility to win this year. Possibility is not a guarantee. Schiano went on the Tiki and Tierney show and told them he needs 1 more recruiting class to have enough talent. Problem is ‘24 schedule is daunting. ‘25 Schedule will facilitate a successful season.

 

[Knight Shift]

That’s our reality. Hey, we’ve got a possibility to win this year. Possibility is not a guarantee. Schiano went on the Tiki and Tierney show and told them he needs 1 more recruiting class to have enough talent. Problem is ‘24 schedule is daunting. ‘25 Schedule will facilitate a successful season.

No, it's YOUR deranged reality.

 

[brgRC90]

I can see a legitimate path for Rutgers to win six games this year. First in Temple and Va. Tech you have two tomato cans. One a perpetual doormat with resources that are well below Rutgers. The other with a rebuilding team with a new inexperienced coach whose seat is already warming up in his second season. Finally a joke game with Wagner. I’m not criticizing, everyone with a brain is scheduling likewise.

Next NW and IND are probably the least talented teams in the BIG. ( Al’s contradictory and confusing statements notwithstanding ). That should provide a realistic opportunity for 2 more wins. Success against OSU, PSU and UM this year seems highly unlikely, but perhaps you steal one of the remaining four. Five wins should be the acceptable minimum no matter who’s coaching. Four or less four years into a rebuild in the modern landscape is unacceptable, and Schiano should be sent packing.

Because truth be told you are what your record says you are. I don’t have any skin in this game either way, just trying to be as objective as possible.

It all depends on whether or not they can field a competitive offense, which they did not have the last two years. Another 100th or worse offense and there's no chance of much.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Loser mentality. Enabler.

I don’t think he’s trying to say that 6 wins after 5 years is “good enough” - the message is just coming across wrong.

With the QB Schiano was expecting to have last year (the hand numbness thing was a freak injury to Noah), we would’ve very likely had 6 wins last year (season 3 including a Covid year). The overall outlook would be a lot different.

The problem is that nothing about the spring game showed that Gavin has taken big strides. If he and Evan are about where they were at last year, it’s going to be another long season.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Last year Noah was good enough, is the key phrase. Yes, he was good enough, and he proved that in 2021. I met his family in ‘21 at Michigan and the bowl game and they’re all awesome.

This year is all on Wimsatt’s shoulders. He needs to step up and be the QB we thought he could be.

If he can throw for at least 56% with more TDS than ints, it will be a good year. OL figures to be incrementally better, thx to Flaherty’s tutelage. Even more so if Sutton is a Go, and can play Right Guard or Tackle. Pierce is a big upgrade over Willie, who was a decent run blocker. Brown will be solid. Dunlap needs to make fewer mental mistakes. Needham or Chin will be the new guy at Right Tackle. Brown, Monangai, and Young need to rush for 2K yards. Jackson, Bowman, Konopka and Brantley, need to step up. Jonny will give us his 30-35 catches.

After last years clueless proclamations about the OL you should refrain from making any statements about them.

Even with Flats here, this is likely the 2nd worst or the worst OL of 2.0. We have to watch and see if any of the ‘22 guys start getting reps as many of the current OL are out of eligibility over the next two years.

It’s sad that Greg admitted that the guys in the trenches needed to be improved when he was hired and didn’t focus on the offensive side until last year with transfers. And most didn’t meet expectations. Then they didn’t even land one from the portal this year. If the ‘22 class doesn’t pan out with at least 3 B1G level starters Greg is done because the offense will be set back another 2-3 years.

 

[Retired711]

I have a basic problem with this thread: Al's overoptimism leads everyone else to express pessimism. That's not what we need. We need realism about the present and we need hope for the future. Unfortunately, this thread encourage posters to focus on the negative.

 

[kupuna133]

I have a basic problem with this thread: Al's overoptimism leads everyone else to express pessimism. That's not what we need. We need realism and we need hope. Unfortunately, this thread encourage posters to focus on the negative.

I agree! We don't need optimism or pessimism. We need reality. We may have a better record this year. We may have worse. But it is not acceptable to say after 4 years not to expect anything for another two. That is the issue for most in this thread.

In the portal generation, you do not have to wait 5 years to turn over the roster. It can be done in 1 or 2 years. The issue is that offense once again was not and is not the priority. And you you only win games when you put points on the board.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Al just keeps flailing along!

 

[Scarlet1984]

Lots of words and follow up posts defending the original post. I believe the OP got one “like” and then all his rebuttals got zero (there might be an exception or two).

This is someone who is not persuasive and, also, intransigent to the point of being obnoxious.

If we stop replying, this thread will die a quick and appropriate death.

 

[brgRC90]

I have a basic problem with this thread: Al's overoptimism leads everyone else to express pessimism. That's not what we need. We need realism about the present and we need hope for the future. Unfortunately, this thread encourage posters to focus on the negative.

Yes and no. Honestly, right now it's realistic to be pessimistic until we have any reason to think otherwise. Offense is a years long problem and so far we're not hearing much reason to believe it's going to improve in 2023. You cannot succeed in football today without a reasonably good QB and we're not hearing anything about a significantly improved QB.

 

[brgRC90]

Lots of words and follow up posts defending the original post. I believe the OP got one “like” and then all his rebuttals got zero (there might be an exception or two).

This is someone who is not persuasive and, also, intransigent to the point of being obnoxious.

If we stop replying, this thread will die a quick and appropriate death.

Add to that, he pushes the same excuses and wrong predictions we've heard for years (and years, and years), and when he does admit things aren't good blames the fans for not giving enough money. I can't imagine why fans react negatively to being blamed for bad play on the field?????!

 

[DJ Spanky]

Yes and no. Honestly, right now it's realistic to be pessimistic until we have any reason to think otherwise. Offense is a years long problem and so far we're not hearing much reason to believe it's going to improve in 2023. You cannot succeed in football today without a reasonably good QB and we're not hearing anything about a significantly improved QB.

I am really looking forward to seeing the offense this fall: all indications are that we are going to be happy with the improvement we see at the QB position.

 

[brgRC90]

I am really looking forward to seeing the offense this fall: all indications are that we are going to be happy with the improvement we see at the QB position.

That's the first time I've heard anyone say there might be improvement. I hope so. Seriously, though, how hard can it be to improve over the really, really bad QB play we've seen for a long time?

 

[NickRU714]

The problem with scape-goating 2022 because "well the QB1 was hurt - how could you expect the offense to function?" is that there is no reason to believe a healthy Vedral significantly impacts the offense last year.

Preseason everyone was complaining that Vedral was potentially starting again after how horrible 2021 ended.
By all reports, the QB competition was basically even between Vedral/Wimsatt/Simon prior to the injury - its not like Vedral was the clear cut returning starter. It was a close competition.

Plus, his injury happened 2 weeks before the season started (BC said they knew 2 weeks before the game that Vedral wasn't playing) - so its not like Simon/Wimsatt were just thrown into the game without any prep.

2021 Vedral Stats:
13 games
181 for 304 (59.5%)
1854 yards (142 ypg)
7 TDs 7INT

Remove Delaware:
12 games
160 for 278 (57.6%)
1531 yards (127.6 ypg)
5TDs 7INTs

Big Ten games (remove Temple, Syracuse, Wake Forest):
9 games
115 for 210 (54.8%)
1161 yards (96.75 ypg)
3TDs 6INTs

 

[Hardslider33]

The ‘24 recruiting class, which is shaping up to be a MONSTER class, is going to put us over the top.

🫤 beauty definitely is in the eyes of AL, guess a Class ranked in the 50’s is better

Surace, who is the Princeton Coaches son, and plays a few miles away from my Moms House, is a baller and is going to lead us to the Rose Bowl, one day.

I remember you saying the same about Gavin, guess it can still happen. Rutgers plays at ucla

 

[Knight Shift]

I have a basic problem with this thread: Al's overoptimism leads everyone else to express pessimism. That's not what we need. We need realism about the present and we need hope for the future. Unfortunately, this thread encourage posters to focus on the negative.

I freely admit that Al's posts bring out the worst fan in me. I am generally an optimist, but reading this thread, one would think the opposite of me. Such is the nature of social media, and my lack of self-restraint in responding.

 

[Knight Shift]

I agree! We don't need optimism or pessimism. We need reality. We may have a better record this year. We may have worse. But it is not acceptable to say after 4 years not to expect anything for another two. That is the issue for most in this thread.

In the portal generation, you do not have to wait 5 years to turn over the roster. It can be done in 1 or 2 years. The issue is that offense once again was not and is not the priority. And you you only win games when you put points on the board.

I actually think this is realistic, and I would be satisfied with this:
6-6

https://www.onthebanks.com/2023/6/2...too-early-schedule-prediction-for-2023-season

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

The problem with scape-goating 2022 because "well the QB1 was hurt - how could you expect the offense to function?" is that there is no reason to believe a healthy Vedral significantly impacts the offense last year.

Preseason everyone was complaining that Vedral was potentially starting again after how horrible 2021 ended.
By all reports, the QB competition was basically even between Vedral/Wimsatt/Simon prior to the injury - its not like Vedral was the clear cut returning starter. It was a close competition.

Plus, his injury happened 2 weeks before the season started (BC said they knew 2 weeks before the game that Vedral wasn't playing) - so its not like Simon/Wimsatt were just thrown into the game without any prep.

2021 Vedral Stats:
13 games
181 for 304 (59.5%)
1854 yards (142 ypg)
7 TDs 7INT

Remove Delaware:
12 games
160 for 278 (57.6%)
1531 yards (127.6 ypg)
5TDs 7INTs

Big Ten games (remove Temple, Syracuse, Wake Forest):
9 games
115 for 210 (54.8%)
1161 yards (96.75 ypg)
3TDs 6INTs

I’m not sure why you would remove the WF or Syracuse stats (two major conference bowl teams) but whatever. Feel free to cherry pick. The data still says Noah would’ve been a much better option last season than our alternatives. It’s not even close.

We were a run first team that desperately needed a game manager. The stats your posting do not do justice to how reliable Noah was at avoiding picks. 5 of his 7 picks in 2021 came against two ranked teams in games we basically had no chance of winning (OSU and Wisconsin). The WF pick was a Hail Mary at the end of the half so it doesn’t count (that’s not a real pick - it was an intentionally thrown 50/50 ball). So outside of those 2 games (OSU and Wisconsin) he threw 1 REAL PICK - in 11 other games as the primary QB. Evan’s 3 picks vs Nebraska were killers (by way of comparison).

This alone should tell you all you need to know. Completion percentage is deceiving. Noah was a veteran QB who knew how to throw the ball away when he needed to (when he was able to grip it). He didn’t have a strong arm but he also didn’t try to do things he wasn’t capable of. Classic definition of a solid game manager.

Regardless of whether you agree, I guess you haven’t checked out the stats from our replacement QBs because even with your fuzzy math, Noah from 2020 and 2021 was still better than either of them in 2022. It’s not close when you realize that most of Evan’s yardage (58% of it) came vs Wagner and in the Iowa game after Iowa had built a big lead and decided to deploy a bend don’t break strategy to run out the clock.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

The problem with scape-goating 2022 because "well the QB1 was hurt - how could you expect the offense to function?" is that there is no reason to believe a healthy Vedral significantly impacts the offense last year.

Preseason everyone was complaining that Vedral was potentially starting again after how horrible 2021 ended.
By all reports, the QB competition was basically even between Vedral/Wimsatt/Simon prior to the injury - its not like Vedral was the clear cut returning starter. It was a close competition.

Plus, his injury happened 2 weeks before the season started (BC said they knew 2 weeks before the game that Vedral wasn't playing) - so its not like Simon/Wimsatt were just thrown into the game without any prep.

2021 Vedral Stats:
13 games
181 for 304 (59.5%)
1854 yards (142 ypg)
7 TDs 7INT

Remove Delaware:
12 games
160 for 278 (57.6%)
1531 yards (127.6 ypg)
5TDs 7INTs

Big Ten games (remove Temple, Syracuse, Wake Forest):
9 games
115 for 210 (54.8%)
1161 yards (96.75 ypg)
3TDs 6INTs

Vedral’s injury occurred during the first scrimmage and was the result of an overzealous freshman DL hitting him when he had a no contact jersey on.

Vedral was QB1 without a doubt. The media is always going to publish stuff to the contrary. You know like Reiber was going to be the starting 4 on last year’s basketball team…lol.

What no one talks about is how with 3 weeks before the BC game that Gleeson couldn’t prepare another QB to be the starter. The rotating QB nonsense should have been an immediate red flag if we knew the actual timeline of Vedral’s injury.

And if you are wondering where the information came from I asked Richie in a premium thread and he gave us that information.

Now we can’t say with any certainty if his presence would have made a world of difference on the final record given the bad OL play that haunted the team all year. All we can point to is that he would have delivered better balls to the WRs and run the offense more efficiently.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Vedral’s injury occurred during the first scrimmage and was the result of an overzealous freshman DL hitting him when he had a no contact jersey on.

Vedral was QB1 without a doubt. The media is always going to publish stuff to the contrary. You know like Reiber was going to be the starting 4 on last year’s basketball team…lol.

What no one talks about is how with 3 weeks before the BC game that Gleeson couldn’t prepare another QB to be the starter. The rotating QB nonsense should have been an immediate red flag if we knew the actual timeline of Vedral’s injury.

And if you are wondering where the information came from I asked Richie in a premium thread and he gave us that information.

Now we can’t say with any certainty if his presence would have made a world of difference on the final record given the bad OL play that haunted the team all year. All we can point to is that he would have delivered better balls to the WRs and run the offense more efficiently.

Thank you! Yes - I recall the injury was a complete fluke thing. I don’t understand how anyone thinks it was an open QB race or that GW / Evan were comparable options to Noah. I’m sure they (especially Gavin) were viewed as having more long term potential but Gavin’s stats against Wagner tell all you need to know. He wasn’t remotely ready.

 

[NickRU714]

I’m not sure why you would remove the WF or Syracuse stats (two major conference bowl teams) but whatever. Feel free to cherry pick. The data still says Noah would’ve been a much better option last season than our alternatives. It’s not even close.

We were a run first team that desperately needed a game manager. The stats your posting do not do justice to how reliable Noah was at avoiding picks. 5 of his 7 picks in 2021 came against two ranked teams in games we basically had no chance of winning (OSU and Wisconsin). The WF pick was a Hail Mary at the end of the half so it doesn’t count (that’s not a real pick - it was an intentionally thrown 50/50 ball). So outside of those 2 games (OSU and Wisconsin) he threw 1 REAL PICK - in 11 other games as the primary QB. Evan’s 3 picks vs Nebraska were killers (by way of comparison).

This alone should tell you all you need to know. Completion percentage is deceiving. Noah was a veteran QB who knew how to throw the ball away when he needed to (when he was able to grip it). He didn’t have a strong arm but he also didn’t try to do things he wasn’t capable of. Classic definition of a solid game manager.

Regardless of whether you agree, I guess you haven’t checked out the stats from our replacement QBs because even with your fuzzy math, Noah from 2020 and 2021 was still better than either of them in 2022. It’s not close when you realize that most of Evan’s yardage (58% of it) came vs Wagner and in the Iowa game after Iowa had built a big lead and decided to deploy a bend don’t break strategy to run out the clock.

Not a single sentence about scoring points or throwing touchdowns.
Since you want to analyze INT stats - lets also look at 2021 TDs and Yards?

Zero (0) TD in the last 6 games
One (1) TD in the last 8 games

Less than 100 yards passing in last six games
1 game over 200 yards (208) except for Delaware for entire season
Remove Delaware (2) and he didn't throw more than 1 TD in any game (Wimsatt had 2 passing TDs against MSU)

Yes, the replacement QBs were bad. But not sure why people would have expected better from Vedral.
Sure - Vedral limits INTs a bit more, but he also provides near zero points or offensive production at all.
It's a whole collection of terrible QB play regardless of who was in the game.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Not a single sentence about scoring points or throwing touchdowns.
Since you want to analyze INT stats - lets also look at 2021 TDs and Yards?

Zero (0) TD in the last 6 games
One (1) TD in the last 8 games

Less than 100 yards passing in last six games
1 game over 200 yards (208) except for Delaware for entire season
Remove Delaware (2) and he didn't throw more than 1 TD in any game (Wimsatt had 2 passing TDs against MSU)

Yes, the replacement QBs were bad. But not sure why people would have expected better from Vedral.
Sure - Vedral limits INTs a bit more, but he also provides near zero points or offensive production at all.
It's a whole collection of terrible QB play regardless of who was in the game.

No mention of the TD totals because it wasn’t necessary for him to throw a high volume of TDs for us to pick up 2 more wins. We were a team that favored the run game. We needed more first downs and less turnovers to pick up those extra 2 wins. I believe Noah provided that.

Regarding your yardage per game comment - let’s start with that it’s largely unfair to focus only on his output in the last 6 games and assume he would perform that way as compared to how he performed in the first 7 games (which included games against ranked OSU, Michigan and Michigan State teams). In the first 7 games he was not banged up, had a healthy Sutton through Michigan, had a healthy O’Neal through a good portion of the games - I don’t remember when that injury was but O’Neal didn’t come back nearly the same, and he had AC as a target and a blocker. Do you not think there’s any correlation in his stats and the loss of these players as the season went on?

In the first 7 games, Noah put up less than 150 yards twice, and that was only the case in the Temple game (138) because we unloaded our bench. We actually won the other game (Syracuse he had 145 yards in that one). Oh yeah - in 2020 he put up 130+ yards in every game but the last 2 (again indicating a pattern of being beaten down by late season). This may not sound like much but when you check out how often his replacements gave us 130+ it changes the picture.

So yes - Noah consistently gave us more average yards than his replacements throughout his career when healthy. But even that doesn’t tell the full story as it relates to what our team needed last year since those numbers obviously reflect Noah’s lack of a long ball. Evan and Gavin threw a couple big passes each that inflated their numbers (mostly in meaningless situations but that’s also besides the point). Those comparative yards undercut the significance of Noah’s yards that were picked up in short or midrange pass plays where he’d pick up 4-5 yards. That’s what we needed to deflect attention off of Sam Brown and control time of possession. Someone reliable enough to make those simple passes. We didn’t have that.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

And we should have options, if that's the case. After year 1, I didn't think we should be sticking with NV but we did. We haven't had a consistent passer and that's an issue. We'll see if anything changes but if it's the same thing in year 4, that's not a good look.

People say we can't get a QB to come here without NIL or whatever. I call BS. Playing time, opportunity and an attractive offense can get you some options. DJU 5 star just went from Clemson to Oregon State and Oregon State wasn't even a pass happy offense last year. WKU got 2 qbs one from Houston Baptist and one from University of West Florida (D2 IIRC) and they led the NCAA in passing. WSU also got a passer from the lower levels in recent years who did a solid job. So I don't buy this you can't get options, you can. Wisconsin isn't known for qbs really but they go hire Longo and boom 4 solid qbs come aboard.

Don't think Locke's brother is rated yet and I see Wisconsin got another 4 star qb from Texas for 2024 to add the 4 qbs they brought in this past offseason. I always say B12 country (Texas specifically) and California are 2 great places for qb prospects. What a turn for them at qb since Longo came on board. Now all probably won't pan out and some will likely transfer but they have solid options and that's a good thing and the main point.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Don't think Locke's brother is rated yet and I see Wisconsin got another 4 star qb from Texas for 2024 to add the 4 qbs they brought in this past offseason. I always say B12 country (Texas specifically) and California are 2 great places for qb prospects. What a turn for them at qb since Longo came on board. Now all probably won't pan out and some will likely transfer but they have solid options and that's a good thing and the main point.

Wimsatt is a 4 star. Simon, Ajani and Surace are underrated 3 stars. I like our QB room. The most acute need is WR and Tight End. Need difference makers at those two spots.