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L4Dawg

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I’m out on this for now. I will update when I find out anything more.
 

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If his green card wasn’t renewed, he was not in this country legally. And he was an idiot to leave the country & then try to get back in knowing he didn’t have a valid visa.
It was renewed. He was starting to do the process again When he was taken. He is here legally.
 
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HotMop

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What telling is that he got it right and y'all didn't. This had been his status since he was a kid. Why would he expect it to be revoked many years later when he had ant been in trouble in over 20 years?
Should have been revoked 20 years ago, correct.
 
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The thing is, he DID follow the legal process. Some of yall still can’t get it through your heads that he is a legal US resident. He is not here illegally.
if he is not a citizen, only, at one point, legally residing here, and per your original post, having been denied access back into the US due to his "residency status", then HE left himself open to this, and there is either more to this than you know, or he is about to have the opportunity, in front of a judge, to clean this mess up and start a path to citizenship.

You are understandably emotionally invested in this due to family / friendship.....and I understand that, and I almost want to say uniquely, as I have several friends that have gone through the process to earn their citizenship, and I have also had a good friend deported (16 years ago), so, I get it......it hurt like hell when my friend got deported, but he was also culpable in that case.
 

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Question from a non baited context. Honestly don't know the answer as I didn't even know "permanent green card" was a thing.

Is permanent green card a thing and what are the scenarios for permanence to be revoked?
Google say:

Yes, it is possible to lose permanent resident status, often referred to as a green card. While it's designed to be a long-term status, it can be revoked or abandoned under certain circumstances.

How Permanent Resident Status Can Be Lost:
  • Abandonment:
    This occurs when a permanent resident demonstrates they no longer intend to reside in the U.S.. Factors like extended absences from the U.S., lack of U.S. ties (like property, bank accounts, or family), and failure to file U.S. taxes can contribute to a finding of abandonment.

  • Criminal Convictions:
    Certain criminal convictions can lead to the loss of permanent resident status, potentially resulting in deportation.

    • Fraud or Misrepresentation:
      Engaging in fraud or misrepresentation during the immigration process can also result in the loss of your green card.
    • Voluntary Relinquishment:
      You can voluntarily give up your permanent resident status.
Important Considerations:
 
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Now I understand your previous post. I stared at it entirely too long trying to get it. I tip my hat to your dedication, sir.

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Darryl Steight

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The Biden administration really did screw things up by allowing so many people to come her illegally, many with phony asylum claims. Americans are largely tolerant people now, unlike in the past, and a small number of people here illegally doing jobs Americans aren't interested in (fruit picking) aren't gonna cause problems. The vast numbers he let in, and the non-enforcement of immigration law, the sanctuary cities that popped up, gave some an expectation that they could stay indefinitely. Well, the American people voted and didn't care for those policies. But we still need immigrants and especially highly skilled immigrants who contribute more than they take. I'm retiring in a few years and I want my social security. We need more contributors to social security. Our scientific and technological edge over the rest of the world requires smart, innovative people.
You're assuming that most illegals pay in to social security. I have heard of *some* people who hire undocumenteds and those boys get paid every Friday in cash money.
 
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Yes. There are degrees of crime and that should be considered when allocating time, money, and resources.
A felony and a misdemeanor are both crimes, but one is clearly more concerning than the other.

Illegally entering the US for the first time is a misdemeanor.
Overstaying a visa is, from what I understand, a civil penalty.

Misdemeanor offense is not equal to felony offense.
A DUI is a misdemeanor too but can carry some pretty harsh penalties when everything is considered.

That just isn’t always the case anymore. This is going to probably take months even he is allowed to stay. His business will be destroyed. His life will be destroyed.
Referencing the DUI scenario above, I once owned a carpet cleaning business myself. I received a DUI 3 years prior to buying it BUT had I gotten a DUI while owning the business my life would have been severely impacted and business destroyed too. Increased insurance rates plus having to hire a fulltime driver just so I could put my equipment to work would have put me out of business. Sometimes life comes at you hard, and you then realize all of the things you should or shouldn't have done that led up to those consequences. Bottom line, I shouldn't have driven drunk and your British friend should have pursued citizenship decades ago. Sorry, but not sorry that I feel zero sympathy for anyone getting deported now. It is long past time to get rid of all illegals, lock the border down from here to eternity and greatly reform the whole immigration process which includes clamping down on immigration from third world countries.
 

Darryl Steight

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Well, the green card holders had 2 options for an MOS, supply or cook. The Marines train a mean chef I tell ya.
I was just kidding about Monte's Seafood - they've been in about 5 different locations around Jackson for a long time.

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mstateglfr

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I would love to see the country after every single illegal is deported. The massive relief on healthcare, car insurance rates, traffic in general, all government services particularly our schools, will be undeniable. Deport every single one of them then clamp down on welfare so these lazy *** people that are nothing but leeches for generations are forced to work and contribute.
The country would be in shambles.
We would be economically broken due to how much undocumented people contribute to both labor and consumerism.

You would be talking about car insurance relief while the economy nosedives.
 
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mstateglfr

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No, they are trying to take advantage of the asylum process. That wasn't created as a loophole for 20 million people to show up at the border and claim asylum.

I can be empathetic and can be respectful of honest arguments, but this is a dishonest one.
How do you know 'they' are trying to take advantage of the asylum process? Wouldn't you need hearings to take place before it can be determined if cases are legitimate or BS?

And I am aware of the annual % of accepted cases for the last decade or so. Most are denied...though that on its own doesn't mean the cases were BS and trying to take advantage.

You comment just seems like it will be yet another time where you generalize and then defend the generalization with insults and goalpost shifting.
 

mstateglfr

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GD at your mental gymnastics.

Just say it! You want open borders and zero consequences!!
I want a secure border, I want a fundamental overhaul of our immigration policies, and I am fine with people who are here illegally being deported.

- I don't think the over the top scare tactics are necessary.
- I don't think the allocated funding and resources are best spent hunting for anyone who may be undocumented.
- I don't think the celebration on social media and selling merchandise that celebrates Alligator Alcatraz or similar situations is productive or healthy for the country.
- I don't think deporting people without Due Process is acceptable.


The way it is being done is, as usual, disgusting.
 
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Nailed it. Could have expounded to inhumane and morally bankrupt but bad is good too. Go look in the mirror and ask yourself how much koolaid you’ve had if you genuinely think this is ok at all human level if you have an moral foundation and even at a good if the country level if you have any patriotism.
17 your communist party
 

ckDOG

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Google say:

Yes, it is possible to lose permanent resident status, often referred to as a green card. While it's designed to be a long-term status, it can be revoked or abandoned under certain circumstances.

How Permanent Resident Status Can Be Lost:
  • Abandonment:
    This occurs when a permanent resident demonstrates they no longer intend to reside in the U.S.. Factors like extended absences from the U.S., lack of U.S. ties (like property, bank accounts, or family), and failure to file U.S. taxes can contribute to a finding of abandonment.

  • Criminal Convictions:
    Certain criminal convictions can lead to the loss of permanent resident status, potentially resulting in deportation.

    • Fraud or Misrepresentation:
      Engaging in fraud or misrepresentation during the immigration process can also result in the loss of your green card.
    • Voluntary Relinquishment:
      You can voluntarily give up your permanent resident status.
Important Considerations:
So sounds like it's both possible that a) guy did something he shouldn't have that comprised his permanent status and b) people shouldn't blame him for "not becoming a citizen". Those are independent issues.

If guy screwed up I can't feel sorry for him in a theoretical vacuum. In a practical world of limited resources, I question why he was targeted now rather than targeting the resource draining illegal immigrants instead.
 
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The country would be in shambles.
We would be economically broken due to how much undocumented people contribute to both labor and consumerism.

You would be talking about car insurance relief while the economy nosedives.
Pretty sure it would be an even swap between what they "contribute" vs what they cost the taxpayer.

I want a secure border, I want a fundamental overhaul of our immigration policies, and I am fine with people who are here illegally being deported.

- I don't think the over the top scare tactics are necessary.
- I don't think the allocated funding and resources are best spent hunting for anyone who may be undocumented.
- I don't think the celebration on social media and selling merchandise that celebrates Alligator Alcatraz or similar situations is productive or healthy for the country.
- I don't think deporting people without Due Process is acceptable.


The way it is being done is, as usual, disgusting
Contradicting yourself a little.
Give due process to over 20 million illegal immigrants? Yeah, totally doable in about 100 years.
Disgusting huh? Just call it necessary. The more illegals who self deport via these 'disgusting" scare tactics the better.
 

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17 your communist party
We don't have a communist party option. We also don't have a free market party option. We have two parties that play different brands of sucking up to and hindering various industries and distorting markets with their own brands of politics/power plays. If you believe in the "this side is communist that side is free market" you are just making up fiction or believing bogey man stories.
 

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So sounds like it's both possible that a) guy did something he shouldn't have that comprised his permanent status and b) people shouldn't blame him for "not becoming a citizen". Those are independent issues.

If guy screwed up I can't feel sorry for him in a theoretical vacuum. In a practical world of limited resources, I question why he was targeted now rather than targeting the resource draining illegal immigrants instead.
I don't think he was "targeted". He basically outed himself in person and these cases are no longer being ignored. I hope the guy gets to stay via his immigration hearing but if he doesn't, too bad. Once again he has had decades to become a citizen.
 
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The country would be in shambles.
We would be economically broken due to how much undocumented people contribute to both labor and consumerism.

You would be talking about car insurance relief while the economy nosedives.
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How do you know 'they' are trying to take advantage of the asylum process? Wouldn't you need hearings to take place before it can be determined if cases are legitimate or BS?

And I am aware of the annual % of accepted cases for the last decade or so. Most are denied...though that on its own doesn't mean the cases were BS and trying to take advantage.

You comment just seems like it will be yet another time where you generalize and then defend the generalization with insults and goalpost shifting.
I'm convinced that you would argue with a fence post and knock it over for not arguing back.
 

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We don't have a communist party option. We also don't have a free market party option. We have two parties that play different brands of sucking up to and hindering various industries and distorting markets with their own brands of politics/power plays. If you believe in the "this side is communist that side is free market" you are just making up fiction or believing bogey man stories.
I have eyes, the democrats are straight up communist.
 
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Pretty sure it would be an even swap between what they "contribute" vs what they cost the taxpayer.
Not having people contribute to the economy, through production and consumption, will crush it.
This isn't some doomsday prediction...it is actual assessed analysis based on what they produce and consume.
Contradicting yourself a little.
Give due process to over 20 million illegal immigrants? Yeah, totally doable in about 100 years.
Disgusting huh? Just call it necessary. The more illegals who self deport via these 'disgusting" scare tactics the better.
I am not contradicting myself.
Due Process is in the Constitution. There isn't a choice of whether we 'give' it to people or not.
It is guaranteed and applies to anyone in the country. This isn't my opinion, it is established and reviewed law.
 

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I'm convinced that you would argue with a fence post and knock it over for not arguing back.
Are hearings needed to determine whether asylum cases are legitimate or BS?

If it is you opinion that they are not needed, then what is a legitimate process to determine if asylum cases are BS or not?
 

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Nailed it. Could have expounded to inhumane and morally bankrupt but bad is good too. Go look in the mirror and ask yourself how much koolaid you’ve had if you genuinely think this is ok at all human level if you have an moral foundation and even at a good if the country level if you have any patriotism.
Yet you have a moral code if you believe in genital mutilation of a minor? Get the **** outta here with that ********.
 
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Doesn’t really matter about politcs or any of that horse shít. Its pretty 17ing preposterous for ANYONE to have a sudden major change to their legal status in this country (or any country for that matter) over a marijuana citation from 31 ******* years ago. I don’t care if they are legal, illegal, temporary visa, permanent visa, Sinaloa cartel, or anything else. If its a weed ticket from the same year that Pulp Fiction and The Lion King were in theaters, and a true freshmen Peyton Manning was losing at Scott Field to Derrick Taite, then it literally means less than nothing in 2025.

He had 30 years to apply for citizenship? 17 that. The US had 30 damn years to deport him based on the very public record regarding this infraction. There is no legitimate argument to be made at all that this was somehow handled correctly. Rapists, murderers, and child molesters get a shorter statute of limitations than that in many cases.
 
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I want a secure border, I want a fundamental overhaul of our immigration policies, and I am fine with people who are here illegally being deported.

- I don't think the over the top scare tactics are necessary.
- I don't think the allocated funding and resources are best spent hunting for anyone who may be undocumented.
- I don't think the celebration on social media and selling merchandise that celebrates Alligator Alcatraz or similar situations is productive or healthy for the country.
- I don't think deporting people without Due Process is acceptable.


The way it is being done is, as usual, disgusting.
The only thing over the top about it is liberal news media.

again all of this could have been avoided with better security policies from 2009 to 2017 and 2021 to 2025
 
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So sounds like it's both possible that a) guy did something he shouldn't have that comprised his permanent status and b) people shouldn't blame him for "not becoming a citizen". Those are independent issues.

If guy screwed up I can't feel sorry for him in a theoretical vacuum. In a practical world of limited resources, I question why he was targeted now rather than targeting the resource draining illegal immigrants instead.
So they could be called racist?
 

mstateglfr

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The only thing over the top about it is liberal news media.

again all of this could have been avoided with better security policies from 2009 to 2017 and 2021 to 2025
It is bhullshit to say what is happening now is the result of other presidents.
What is happening now is because Trump and his Administration want it to happen.

- Deporting people without Due Process is because Trump allows it to happen.
- The tacky and cringe social media posts that celebrate unnecessary cruelty is because Trump allows it to happen.
- ICE roundups of people without criminal records is because Trump allows it to happen.

Once again, two wrongs don't make a right.
 
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Doesn’t really matter about politcs or any of that horse shít. Its pretty 17ing preposterous for ANYONE to have a sudden major change to their legal status in this country (or any country for that matter) over a marijuana citation from 31 ******* years ago. I don’t care if they are legal, illegal, temporary visa, permanent visa, Sinaloa cartel, or anything else. If its a weed ticket from the same year that Pulp Fiction and The Lion King were in theaters, and a true freshmen Peyton Manning was losing at Scott Field to Derrick Taite, then it literally means less than nothing in 2025.

He had 30 years to apply for citizenship? 17 that. The US had 30 damn years to deport him based on the very public record regarding this infraction. There is no legitimate argument to be made at all that this was somehow handled correctly. Rapists, murderers, and child molesters get a shorter statute of limitations than that in many cases.
You're assuming the Marijuana charge is the reason.
 
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