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Well look at it this way. He basically owns a professional sports team for a fraction of the going rate…. He won’t be the only one with this line of thinking.
The question is when do these guys publicly come out and say they’re looking for their taste of the revenue and not just be simple “donors”
The question is when do these guys publicly come out and say they’re looking for their taste of the revenue and not just be simple “donors”
Anything is...um... on the table for Rick....once again
Let me preface this by saying I think Pitino is a great coach and agree he is underpaid relative to his peers (still compensated exceptionally well for what he does).
However, the article fails to mention that the guy is operating with a $10M+ payroll in a $5M league. He had an unbelievable conference record last year, but you have to recognize that his PG cost more than our entire roster.
What was his record last year against P5/comparable payrolls? 5-4?
What was his record year one in a more level playing field before Repole's famous "no more playing around. No one is going to pay more than me" tweet? 11-9?
Again, I'm not trying to suggest he's not a good coach, but this glazing of Pitino without acknowledging his payroll is literally 2X or even 3X that of his peers is INSANE.
However, the article fails to mention that the guy is operating with a $10M+ payroll in a $5M league. He had an unbelievable conference record last year, but you have to recognize that his PG cost more than our entire roster.
What was his record last year against P5/comparable payrolls? 5-4?
What was his record year one in a more level playing field before Repole's famous "no more playing around. No one is going to pay more than me" tweet? 11-9?
Again, I'm not trying to suggest he's not a good coach, but this glazing of Pitino without acknowledging his payroll is literally 2X or even 3X that of his peers is INSANE.
I’m not sure if you are right on the $$ as it concerns other Big East teams. Yes for the Hall, but UConn, Creighton, Nova, Gtown, Marquette over the past few years? Same ballpark from everything I’ve read or listened to. Us and the Butlers seem to be the outliers.
People think so highly of him as a coach because of what he’s done everywhere he’s been. Mid majors. A place like Providence. Rebuilds at KY, Ville and now SJU.
I hear what you are saying but it’s the overall body of work at the collegiate level over so many years and so many places.
Now his US professional stops are a different conversation altogether.
I'm not debating that he is a highly accomplished coach. Hall of famer - not doubt. I'm just saying that if you're going to glaze over someone's conference record it's important to acknowledge the elephant in the room. He self admittedly says he doesn't even have to recruit anymore.
I don't know what you have read/listened to, but nowhere to my knowledge, has it been suggested that anyone in the BigEast has comparable payroll ($10M+) other than UConn. I was specifically referencing Matt Norlander / Gary Parrish (arguably the two top journalists in the sport) who said within the past couple months (paraphrasing) "the average BigEast payroll for schools not named St. John's, UConn and Villanova is $5.5M, and Seton Hall is by far the lowest in the conference." They also said that St. John's payroll is "over $10M".
I don't know what you have read/listened to, but nowhere to my knowledge, has it been suggested that anyone in the BigEast has comparable payroll ($10M+) other than UConn. I was specifically referencing Matt Norlander / Gary Parrish (arguably the two top journalists in the sport) who said within the past couple months (paraphrasing) "the average BigEast payroll for schools not named St. John's, UConn and Villanova is $5.5M, and Seton Hall is by far the lowest in the conference." They also said that St. John's payroll is "over $10M".
Pitino is a great coach but what he is ELITE at is everything off the court required to build a Program to the highest level it can go. And he does it fast. He knows how to play all the games, he knows how to rally support, how to build engagement and buzz and he is always an early adopter on every single rule change or market shift. He surrounds himself with people at every level who have clear expectations and he sits back like a master conductor to lead them all.
As he has said, he can continue coaching until he dies because he no longer has to grind on the recruiting trail. He doesn't need to build relationships for years with recruits because he has embraced the simple transactional element of player acquisition. At a time when many coaches complain about everything, he adapts and looks at changes as a positive he can further exploit.
As he has said, he can continue coaching until he dies because he no longer has to grind on the recruiting trail. He doesn't need to build relationships for years with recruits because he has embraced the simple transactional element of player acquisition. At a time when many coaches complain about everything, he adapts and looks at changes as a positive he can further exploit.
I got you, and it's a fair and relevant point. The reality is I think all these programs/coaches need resources to succeed. Bill Self dominated his league pre-NIL because Kansas had "more NIL" than others, and because Bill Self is a great coach and Kansas was a great program already. So I think it is all part of the same package. For whatever reason, I actually think the $$$ stuff gets raised more with SJU than most other programs. Partly because of their ascension after being down for so long, partly because folks don't like them or Pitino, partly because Repole is a known guy who is out there on this stuff, partly because they are in NY and have a strong media following locally and nationally now.
Since NIL started, we've all ready and heard various things about the haves and have nots. Two years ago it was Nova spending a fortune to both retain kids like Moore/Dixon and bring in a huge portal haul. Last year it was Georgetown. Now its SJU. Creighton flies under the radar, as does Marquette, but no doubt they have massive "payrolls" to retain the kids they've kept and acquire via the portal (Kalkbrenner and Van were reportedly the two highest compensated BE athletes last year, just ahead of Dixon, and look at what Creighton brought in this year). Uconn doesn't get mentioned as much, oddly, but of course they have to be near the top to keep Karaban/Ball/Reed, bring in Silas Demary and Malachi Smith (beat out SJU for both, among other big programs), bring in all the top kids out of HS they have annually. There is lots if misinformation out there, and a lot of it is driven by agendas.