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HallGuy2323

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I don’t think it will happen. The easy thing for the coaches to say is we’re still winning so don’t bother.

But to me Williams is providing nothing. AJSM seems to be getting a lot of heat from defense. We need somebody else to open it up.

Problem is I don’t know who. Crazy as it sounds. I may stay Rivera at the 4 and move fisher to the 3. Idk though
 
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HALL85

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HallGuy2323 said:
I don’t think it will happen. The easy thing for the coaches to say is we’re still winning so don’t bother.

But to me Williams is providing nothing. AJSM seems to be getting a lot of heat from defense. We need somebody else to open it up.

Problem is I don’t know who. Crazy as it sounds. I may stay Rivera at the 4 and move fisher to the 3. Idk though
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Need to keep the Fisher/Rivera platoon at the four. Fisher is not a good shooter from midrange and three, so he clogs up the 2/3 positions if you move him.

Williams played only 16 minutes today. He’s been in a slump of late. AJSM hit the only two 3’s.

Simpkins is getting starter minutes and Parker is earning more time and playing with Budd now.

Starting lineups are not as critical for the way Sha subs.
 
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JTSHU

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Let it ride. Add some rivera at the 4. Dar was very active in the beginning of the season but sha hasnt opted for him very much
 
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phelanma

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JTSHU said:
Let it ride. Add some rivera at the 4. Dar was very active in the beginning of the season but sha hasnt opted for him very much
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Hoping Sha could find 6 to 8 min for Dar especially when we press. Think he is better than Rivera when we are pressing, although Rivera has given some solid minutes last few games
 
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Seton75

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jklings99 said:
Holloway needs to run some sets for Williams. He will be needed
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Sha referred to "me" shots in his post game. Mike's first 2 shots were me shots. 2 starters struggled and we won. i dont see any changes. I bet Sha would love more Parker and Budd pairings. And it was expected that Simpkins would start but i love him off the bench. If I had to make a change, I'd start TJ. But for now, no change for me.
 
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Rivera has been very impressive off the bench. I like him in that role. Between him and Fisher we're getting good production from the 4 spot.

I'm not concerned about the starting lineup, and clearly Sha plays whoever has it going big minutes in crunch time. Which is exactly how it should be.

Our depth is a huge advantage this year. Bringing Hines off the bench and letting him ride it out thru crunch time when Payne has a bad game is a luxury we never used to have.

We have so much depth Dar can't even sniff playing time. That's a good problem to have. Not to mention bringing a guy like Simpkins of the bench.
 
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hallwins

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jklings99 said:
We scored 56pts and have struggled offensively all season.
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We have scored in the 80s this year.

We need to score enough when our defense can hold teams like Creighton 20 + points below season average, and we have a 20% combined steal and block ratio, and shoot foul shots at 80% as a team. I think with Parker seeing more time at the 2, we will score more consistently. ASM and Williams need to score more for sure.
 
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Piratz

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Williams is the one. He gave us a spark in the non-con offensively. That’s gone in the BE: 7/29, 3/12 from 3. His playing time is dropping like a stone too: 28, 32, 21, 16. It’s taking care of itself.

ASM has also struggled outside of Marquette. Gotta let him come out of it, he can play.

Fisher has been fine, some ups and downs.

I wouldn’t change anything. The minutes are reflective.
 
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hallwins

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Piratz said:
Williams is the one. He gave us a spark in the non-con offensively. That’s gone in the BE: 7/29, 3/12 from 3. His playing time is dropping like a stone too: 28, 32, 21, 16. It’s taking care of itself.

ASM has also struggled outside of Marquette. Gotta let him come out of it, he can play.

Fisher has been fine, some ups and downs.

I wouldn’t change anything. The minutes are reflective.
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I feel like Williams may be our best option at the back up 1. Williams did some good things early in the game aside from the missed shots but a few times he was trying to make things happen. 2 assists and 2 rebounds in first half. He plays very good defense as well generally.
 
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Seton75

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Piratz said:
Williams is the one. He gave us a spark in the non-con offensively. That’s gone in the BE: 7/29, 3/12 from 3. His playing time is dropping like a stone too: 28, 32, 21, 16. It’s taking care of itself.

ASM has also struggled outside of Marquette. Gotta let him come out of it, he can play.

Fisher has been fine, some ups and downs.

I wouldn’t change anything. The minutes are reflective.
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A big reason why I would not change now is who played at the end yesterday. Sha had 4 subs on the floor.
 
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Pirates94

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Williams is in a slump. Sha has mentioned on one of the postgames that he is one of the most talented on the team but needs to take better shots. He's pressing. Just needs to see the ball go through the hoop a few times.
 
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The_Hall

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williams slump hurts. i still think he's a good player, and a long season hopefully he'll get back.

ASM is the one you sorta need to be solid every game. his production is harder to backfill.
 
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Seton75

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Imo, we got good shots and missed them in nova and CU games Would like to see more feeding the centers. Cant depend on pick sixes.

Would love to see a smoothly functioning offense. Not expecting to. I think we can shoot better. O sure looked better in Maui. One decent shooting game in BE so far.
 
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Seton75 said:
Imo, we got good shots and missed them in nova and CU games Would like to see more feeding the centers. Cant depend on pick sixes.

Would love to see a smoothly functioning offense. Not expecting to. I think we can shoot better. O sure looked better in Maui. One decent shooting game in BE so far.
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I think the Big East teams are defending further away from the hoop, which slows things down a bit. I don’t think the offense is going to improve much either. Team is built for defense first. Offense kind of is what it is.
 
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HALL85

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lloyde dobler said:
I think the Big East teams are defending further away from the hoop, which slows things down a bit. I don’t think the offense is going to improve much either. Team is built for defense first. Offense kind of is what it is.
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The only way I see to potentially improve the offensive output would be to play Hines 30 minutes and run more plays through him.

He has shown he can score underneath on his own and shows good footwork. The question is, is he ready to take on that kind of workload (like Zuby) and rely on him for 15 ppg.

The team is built for points off turnovers and an offense on slashing, passing and finishing (and drawing fouls).

When they don’t turn the other team over (Creighton had 11 TO’s), or finish at the rim, they are in the 60’s. Like you said, it is what it is.
 
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halltheway

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Most of our players are in excellent shape and average 20 minutes or so.
That's why we excel at close games.
Budd is the exception; he has to play at least 30 minutes......especially at the end.
 
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Seton75 said:
Imo, we got good shots and missed them in nova and CU games Would like to see more feeding the centers. Cant depend on pick sixes.

Would love to see a smoothly functioning offense. Not expecting to. I think we can shoot better. O sure looked better in Maui. One decent shooting game in BE so far.
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The more tape available the more difficult for teams that don't have superstar type players. Plus conference teams have more time to scout your strengths and weaknesses. And eventually you will be playing them twice.

What we did on offense early in the season will be more difficult now that conference play has begun. But that's a 2 way street as our defense also will have the advantage of film and scouting.
 
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HALL85 said:
The only way I see to potentially improve the offensive output would be to play Hines 30 minutes and run more plays through him.
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Hines is so aggressive that playing him 30 minutes will not only cause fatigue but subject him to foul trouble. Tired players are more prone to foul. He is not ready for those minutes yet. And with Payne there is no need.
 
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NIL BAD

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Our offense was more efficient early on, no doubt but it's been on a downward spiral since the Nova game.

  • Clarks early foul issues
  • Big East foes familiarity with our very basic sets
  • Inability to generate any kind of transition.
  • Lack of high % shooters
 
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Halldan said:
Hines is so aggressive that playing him 30 minutes will not only cause fatigue but subject him to foul trouble. Tired players are more prone to foul. He is not ready for those minutes yet. And with Payne there is no need.
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Is there a reason we do not execute more post-ups to Hines and/or inside-outside game for open threes? Hines needs to touch the ball on nearly every possession in order for our offense to function as effectively as possible.
 
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shu67

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No reason to change anything. It does not matter who starts. What matters is who are the 5 at the end of the game closing it out.
 
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PirateBlue08 said:
Is there a reason we do not execute more post-ups to Hines and/or inside-outside game for open threes? Hines needs to touch the ball on nearly every possession in order for our offense to function as effectively as possible.
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From what I am seeing he has to establish position better and then demand the ball. Right now his strength is within 5 feet or so of the tin. That and he takes time bullying his way for a better shot. That demands a double team and until out shooters do a better job from the arc outlet passes aren't a solution. Meaning he won't have a lot of room to shoot.

Needs to be quicker with the ball and the wings need to become targets which will only happen when and if they start shooting better from the arc.
 
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HALL85

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Halldan said:
Hines is so aggressive that playing him 30 minutes will not only cause fatigue but subject him to foul trouble. Tired players are more prone to foul. He is not ready for those minutes yet. And with Payne there is no need.
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Exactly, which is why I prefaced it with “if he is ready”. The question was about creating more offense, and Hines to me, is the greatest opportunity, outside of how the offense operates now.

Personally, I think Sha has done a great job developing Hines thus far.
 
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