I may be missing something but feel like this team could have just as easily finished the season the same way if Lemonis had not been fired. Selmon would then have a tougher decision on whether to move on from Lemonis or not. Feels like the timing of the decision to let him go after the Auburn series was right on to avoid this exact situation. I know some think he should have been let go end of 2023 season but that would have been really hard for a brand new AD to make that decision especially with a coach who had won the schools only national title just two years prior. Anyhow seems like a sneaky great strategic decision on timing from Selmon - not sure if we are allowed to give him credit on here.
Timing on Lemonis Firing
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Nobody gives a **** how you feel
Should have done it after Auburn or Florida series, but better late than never.
I care how you feel dawg. Lemonis always seemed to get off to slow starts. Never had the team ready to play when the season started. That's not acceptable
I’m sure he probably feels that we let him go too soon. But even if we had this same exact finish with him as a coach…. 15-15 with this SEC schedule is not at all impressive.
We went 8-1 versus Missouri/SC/Kentucky and 7-14 against everyone else.
We went 8-1 versus Missouri/SC/Kentucky and 7-14 against everyone else.
I think they had decided to fire him and wanted to avoid the possibility of an NCAA tournament run making it harder after the season.
After seeing how the team responded, I think they were feeling the pressure of their coach being on the hot seat. They appear to be playing looser without that hanging over the program. I have no idea if Selmon anticipated that.
After seeing how the team responded, I think they were feeling the pressure of their coach being on the hot seat. They appear to be playing looser without that hanging over the program. I have no idea if Selmon anticipated that.
I feel as if we could have at least hosted a regional had we not had Lemonis at all this season. Go back and take away all the blown leads we gave away and lost those games and see what our record would be.
This season is literally the only appropriate time we could’ve canned the guy. Lots of impatient people don’t consider the brand damage it would’ve caused had we fired him any sooner. He obviously had a short leash this season, and he couldn’t keep up with it.
Had Polk actually won the 2 or 3 titles he SHOULD have won, then we could possibly fire at will. But, Lemonis was in charge when we won it all the first time and we had to let him make moves to save his own asș. Otherwise, it would be a long time before any legit coach would take us seriously. It worked for a season, and then it became obvious this season where the issues originated from.
Some of yall are grossly underestimating how unlikely a sweep of KY was. I have no doubt we would have likely lost that series under Lemonis.
I think Selmon and others, were listening to the unrest, and war drums.
( I hated to fire him)
We hit an easy schedule since fired Lemonhead and yall act like we on fire. We the same team but with a set lineup and easy schedule. Lemonhead sucked! He pussed out and gave out playing time to people with no business playing. Zero fundamentals with his lazy *** either.
It's ok Mrs. Lemonis, good luck in your next city.
I think Lemonis likely loses 2-3 more games. But your point is valid.
and don’t think for a second this was Selmon’s decision
I have to agree with some of this. His last game, our second baseman oley'ed twice in the same inning.
We gave up what 6/8 runs, and wasted a good pitcher. ....
He loved him some Highfill too. Made no sense at all.
If you're suppose to be a decent talent evaluator you cant take two thirds of the season to realize your best line up.
You are contradicting yourself. I don’t expect you to see it.
We're the same team we've been all year. Shake defense and pitching, solid hitting. We sat Highfill but that's about it. We've also been without Stevens, so it evens out. Everybody knows the lineup talent is pretty decent and gives us a chance to make some noise, but the flip side is the other that will cost us against the better teams.
Lemonis should’ve been fired after his second Chizik year.
Anyone who would glorify 3-2 with a username has low expectations anyway..
Exactly. We might have finished 1 game worse if we had let Lemonis finish out the season. But teams getting “hot” or “cold” is usually just the schedule getting easier or harder. And that’s the case here.
He should have. But better late than never. Well see what Selmon does from here.
If he had fired him the week before might have won the Auburn series.
Absolutely no way Lemonhead goes 9-1 to close out the season with this team.
Exactly. Selmon gets alot of credit for the timing. Because if he allow Lemonis to stay and the team make the ncaas, you can't fire him period. This way, people get the illusion the timing was perfect because Lemonis was canned and things improved. Wiin win.
I just don't believe they would have made it to the NCAA if Lemonis had stayed. Way too many SEC games they had the lead and end up losing them. Lemonis made a lot of coaching decisions that cost games. I just don't see it.
Whether they would have or not doesn’t matter (I personally think it would be 50-50). There’s only a 0% chance of him making it if you fire him when we did. I give Selmon credit for that.
Some of you can’t read. Simply pointing out it was good timing by Selmon.
The timing was 2 years too late. Perception be damned, reality being that we haven’t been a fundamentally sound baseball team since we won it all.
If that’s how you feel … don’t post until next year! No offense but … come on man. That’s coming from my *** who has said some down right crazy stuff this season.
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I wonder if Lemon was hoping to get canned and get that free money. Kinda looks that way. Was checked out in many ways already. I've never seen a head coach sleep walk the team into the 4th week of SEC play repeatedly until the last 4 years. Then we looked like freshmen cramming for exams on the week of finals as we tried to make the cut for an NCAA regional.
You're bad attitude about basically everything but softball is kinda tiring. I don't think I'm alone in my feelings on the subject.
A whole lot of Miss Cleo’s on here who are evidently experts on exactly what would have happened in some alternate reality.
We played 6 weekend series against regional level teams before canning Lemonis. We lost 5 of them, and were swept in 2 of them. The one series we played against a non-regional team was against South Carolina. They were swept 5 times this year, and we were one of the teams who didn’t sweep them. We also lost every single HOME series except South Carolina. Completely choked away just about every close game.
Bottom line - we performed about as poorly as we possibly could have in the first 7 weeks of the conference slate. It was obvious to everyone after Auburn that a change was needed, and it was made. After the change, we performed about as well as we possibly could have. I’m no expert on revisionist history and can’t say at all exactly what Lemonis would have done, but evidence on hand doesn’t suggest its very likely that he finishes 8-1….including 5-1 against two likely regional teams.
We played 6 weekend series against regional level teams before canning Lemonis. We lost 5 of them, and were swept in 2 of them. The one series we played against a non-regional team was against South Carolina. They were swept 5 times this year, and we were one of the teams who didn’t sweep them. We also lost every single HOME series except South Carolina. Completely choked away just about every close game.
Bottom line - we performed about as poorly as we possibly could have in the first 7 weeks of the conference slate. It was obvious to everyone after Auburn that a change was needed, and it was made. After the change, we performed about as well as we possibly could have. I’m no expert on revisionist history and can’t say at all exactly what Lemonis would have done, but evidence on hand doesn’t suggest its very likely that he finishes 8-1….including 5-1 against two likely regional teams.
and Johnny Long last season, he was a disaster behind the plate and batting.
And Kamren James before that, James couldn't pick up a motionless ball and throw it to 1st base without dropping it or overthrowing first baseman. He was awful at the plate too. He transferred and became a very good 3B, wonder why? He got away from Lemonis
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It was the right move. MSU shouldn't be a "maybe we slide into the postseason" baseball program. It's clear that we have regressed to that and was time to nip it before anyone had the chance to rationalize a 2/3 seed as a foundation for the future.
