Lot’s of conjecture on if we will bring in another QB. The staff knows that is a need. If Ajani Sheppard was a proven # 2 maybe not but Greg isn’t going with a room of 3…counting Surace who will RS.
FB Recruiting Transfer QB Athan Kaliakmanis visiting RU
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No - you said we will not have an experience QB other than Gavin on the roster next year. I think the reason you gave is that they won’t want to come to play behind Gavin (which you believe is a given). That’s besides the point. I predict that you will be wrong about the first thing. That we will add an FBS QB with significant prior experience to our roster.
By the way - I didn’t expect anything major to happen in the QB room before 12/28 regardless. Greg isn’t big on distractions.
1.Can't fire a guy who now has 7 years and $42+ million.
2.That's the point. He's not benching the guy he's so invested in, made QB1 promises to, and offered big NIL. That's what 'all in' means.
No qualified QB would come here for a bogus competition. Maybe an FCS backup who wants a change of scenery, but no one who expects to compete for QB1, or rather RB2, given our philosophy.
If you define experience as holding a clipboard rather than a helmet, sure we'll get someone with experience. Or an FCS QB backup who's already been recruited over. Maybe the backup at winless Stony Brook (btw look for Sagarin 240 Stony Brook on the 2024 schedule).
I eventually may be proven wrong, but last week I did predict the UMinn QB wouldn't come here for the favoritism reasons I stated. I'm confident in that prediction. Many thought he'd be a commit already by today, but I bet he wasn't even offered bc he expressed the expectation to compete for QB1.
No I define experience as someone who started games at the FBS level or if it’s an FCS player it would be a starter with very strong numbers at the lower level. If it’s not Athan it will be someone like that.
Ok, good. Our sides are clear. I do not see that happening given the favoritism. The kind of player you describe would expect an honest chance to compete for QB1.
Not a good look for PJ Fleck publicly admonishing this player in front of the team. The QB is attempting to lead. Talk is one thing … yelling is one thing… this sounds more like Fleck’s frustration came to the surface and though today’s youth reacts much differently maybe the HC needed to give out his message/feelings in his office? Say what they want about Rutgers and Schiano … I know he can be super emotional in practice time but I can’t remember a player publicly called out about poor play in say a team meeting.
Favoritism?
Just out of curiosity, and in the hopes of more entertainment, what is your theory for why HCGS would engage in favoritism with GW? Is it, like, a sexual thing? They’re having an affair, perhaps?
Or does it have nothing to do with GW, specifically? Is it just that GS is excited by the idea of screwing over the fanbase by choosing the “obviously“ lesser QB? It’s what he lives for?
C’mon, lay out the rationale.
I've spelled it out. Most agree. Not recruiting a QB the year after, committing the most NIL to GW, naming GW the starter after the first day of '23 camp, not giving Simon even a second series after the TD in the Wisconsin game where GW got hurt and played like ***, etc. The truth is clear.Favoritism?
Just out of curiosity, and in the hopes of more entertainment, what is your theory for why HCGS would engage in favoritism with GW? Is it, like, a sexual thing? They’re having an affair, perhaps?
Or does it have nothing to do with GW, specifically? Is it just that GS is excited by the idea of screwing over the fanbase by choosing the “obviously“ lesser QB? It’s what he lives for?
C’mon, lay out the rationale.
Do you think he wants to admit wasting past or FY24 NIL on a guy replacing Wimsatt ? And admit to being unable to develop him to FBS ability ? He can't turn back now. Not a good look.
And With JM and also almost the entire D coming back with probable NIL paydays, he doesn't have enough to bring in any notable QB anyway. He's even said that. QB isn’t a priority with the available NIL ‘resources’.
It's not that he's trying to lose. He's trying to win with the QB is RB2 philosophy and sticking with GW due to the above 'favoritism'. If you think there was ever consideration of Simon competing for QB1, that's on you.
So rather than be duped again, he left.
Someone else cited GW is #157 out of 157 in passing ratings (with a min. # of passes). Shouldn’t be difficult getting a better passer, right ?
But since GW is an above average running QB, that’s a trade off Schiano prefers. Doesn’t want a better passer if it means having a weaker runner. It’s obvious, and it’s why Simon left. GS simply favors the running game to such an extreme that he’s satisfied with the absolute weakest passer in college football bc he can get yards as RB2.
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So your theory is GS is more worried about not looking good than he is about winning football games. Because coaches losing games but not changing QBs look so much better than coaches who are winning games having switched QBs?
Quite the Machiavellian take. Do you watch a lot of reality TV shows by any chance?
In any event, thanks - that was just as entertaining as I'd hoped.
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You know what’s entertaining as well as revealing? Ignoring the multiple facts I gave you and deflecting. Please give other explanations for each if it’s not about protecting GW.So your theory is GS is more worried about not looking good than he is about winning football games. Because coaches losing games but not changing QBs look so much better than coaches who winning games having switched QBs?
Quite the Machiavellian take. Do you watch a lot of reality TV shows by any chance?
In any event, thanks - that was just as entertaining as I'd hoped.
The team exceeded expectations and he has 7 more years now. There’s no pressure to make a QB change now. So yes, optics matter. And protecting Golden Gavin.
well I do think he's worried more about blowouts and that impacts his decision making which does lend some ....some....credibility there. Greg considers a 14-21 pt loss to osu a victory and since we're expected to lose, it looks better the next day than say 34-3 or 42-7.So your theory is GS is more worried about not looking good than he is about winning football games. Because coaches losing games but not changing QBs look so much better than coaches who winning games having switched QBs?
Quite the Machiavellian take. Do you watch a lot of reality TV shows by any chance?
In any event, thanks - that was just as entertaining as I'd hoped.
The fact that no other qb got time this year is a head scratcher
not saying shelby is on point but there are definitely peculiarities
there are no other explanations re: GWs treatment than de facto favoritism and non-competition.
You gave your theories, not facts.
reading matters...I gave facts and my theory about them:
not recruiting a QB the year after (fact)
naming GW the '23 starter immediately at the beginning of camp (fact)
not giving Simon at least another series after his TD drive, and after RU hadn't scored before that (fact)
GW the highest NIL on the team (fact)
and other questionable facts...no snaps for others, even in blowout losses.
My opinion is, all of this and more points to clear favoritism. What is your theory about these facts ?
But your “facts” are unrelated to 2024. Things were different going into 2023. Besides Gavin he had Evan who had prior starting experience at QB returning. He even had Langan in the background who started for half a season. He doesn’t have any returning experience besides Gavin next year so no matter how hard you try that is NOT the same fact pattern.
In terms of the Wisconsin game, yes - what your stating is factually accurate in that Evan was only given one series. But your taking that to mean Schiano would never play another QB over Gavin. Based on what? Maybe he just didn’t believe Simon was the right fit for our system?
Finally - I don’t believe any NIL info about Gavin is public. How do you know he’s making the most of anyone?
ok, I'll play....let's start with 2023 then. what is your theory about the 2023 facts if not favoritism ? 2023 showed Schiano was all-in on GW, and I used the expression earlier "past is prologue". look it up. he's too invested to reverse course in 2024, plus, NIL and philosophy.
Being an antagonistic clown ( Shelby65) has been allowed to post Horseshoe——t on numerous threads. Time for the mods to do what they have done to others.… “ a nice 1-2 week timeout” would be appropriate...
My “theory” is the staff believed Gavin was better for our system than Evan. They wanted dual threat. Based on what we had and the system we were running they felt Gavin game us the best chance to win game in and out for this reason They clearly weren’t looking to change the system around Evan (he might throw more accurately than Gavin but he’s by no means a stand out star). But that doesn’t mean another dual threat QB that fits the system couldn’t be brought in and ultimately beat Gavin out. Your logic makes no sense at all.
Do you think they offered the Minn Qb then ? Sounds like you think they’d want him
I think it was the ranking that they fell in love with and not Gav
if you look at the tape, Simon was far and away better against better comp. #3 kid in all PA
really think the staff was 'blinded' by his ranking, a ranking that clearly was a mistake
junior year alone he throws for more than all of Gav in hs
here is tkr glowing about him
Perhaps but even if that’s true, it still doesn’t make what Shelby is saying accurate. I don’t believe there is no QB out there for 2024 who couldn’t pass Wimsatt. Schiano isn’t stupid even if he made a decision on Wimsatt vs Evan than some might disagree with. That does not prove Schiano wouldn’t pick any QB out there over Gavin. The logic makes no sense at all.
Thanks for the advice on the ignore. Never used until a couple of days ago. Only have one name on the list. Glad I don’t have to see his horseshoe——-it any longer.
"horseshoe------"???? Would that be from a horseshoe crab? Or something horseshoe competitors do when drinking and smoking cigars?
But did that happen yet ? Did he bring someone in ?
95s opinion isn’t exactly what I’m suggesting, but it is consistent. Either if they love the ranking or the player, they aren’t likely to change their minds after a successful year and go after someone else to challenge him for QB1.
I go back to my view that if no one with any qb chops is brought in, they were looking for a qb to compete as much as OJ is still looking for his wife’s killer.
there would be no other explanation than they weren’t looking.
I’d be proven wrong if we do bring in a legit QB to challenge GW, but there sure are a lot of people here who seem sure he will without any evidence of it. Yet there is evidence of favoritism up to now. I think it will continue with GW already knowing or being promised the job.
I think GS, and pretty much every other HC out there, does what they think gives them the best chance to win games. Occam’s Razor suggests that we prefer the simplest explanation. The coach doing what he can to win is the simplest explanation. It's the only logical explanation.
Fans, 99.69% of whom lack virtually all of the necessary information, experience and education, might be scratching their heads over coaching decisions. The simple explanation for which is that fans operate almost entirely in the dark. Which means that they quite literally have no idea what they’re talking about.
Another D1 coach might come in and do something different. Might do better. Might do worse. Nobody knows.
But we can be certain no fan could do better.
Scrabble/Jumble/Wordle from Hell:
Horseshoe——t
Horseshoefit?
Horsehoemat?
Disagree that every decision is only about winning. Too simplistic. Early in a contract a coach may prefer to develop a young player while late in a contract preferring an experienced player to save his job or pursue a championship.
NIL and donor interests affect decisions. Relationships affect decisions (Cubit v Schwenk). Past decisions affect current ones (doubling down). Public pressure affects decisions.
It’s a lot more complex than just ‘wanting to win’. Sure they all want to win but other factors impact decisions too, and sometimes undermine winning. Coaching is a balancing act.
Do you think Ace and Dylan got promises ? You bet they did. So did GW.
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Well, if you can't fire him- he no longer is tied to the success of GW- the extension and raise just put that to rest. Greg's only goal until SS kicks in, is to win, get another raise.
So- next year- he can do whatever the heck he wants to d even if GW tells him he will transfer...
If Hobbs made him wait until next year- then I would agree and say that he may be tied at the hip to Gavin this year.
"Two thing every American male thinks he can do, work a grill and coach football."
-Greg Schiano
I never said every decision a coach makes is about winning. Didn't insinuate or imply it, either.
You are disagreeing with a statement you just made up; not a statement I ever made.
For example, coaches probably don't often decide, in the off-season, what to have for breakfast because they think it'll help them win the next game. They might, during the season though. I would.
It's pretty funny how tightly fans cling to the delusion that they have it all figured out while the professional coaching staff must be stupid and incompetent.
"But, but.... but they aren't perfect".
either you don't pay attention to Greg or you are willfully ignoring what you see. What I said is exactly what Greg is doing, believes, coaches to. This has been discussed at nauseam here
well greg is good on the grill lolIt's pretty funny how tightly fans cling to the delusion that they have it all figured out while the professional coaching staff must be stupid and incompetent.
"But, but.... but they aren't perfect".
he does a family bbq each year that is pretty big
Mild You absolutely did imply that every HC football decision is only about winning. Further, you use that premise to imply validating QB1 decisions. You tried to refute my point about sticking with GW.
Why do the Jets continue to hype Zack Wilson as the QB of the future and not the bust he has been ? Because the GM and HC who drafted him #2 won’t admit their total failure.
That’s how it works.
GW is Schiano’s star recruit and continues to protect him because it protects himself too, especially with 7 more years on his contract.
Why do the Jets continue to hype Zack Wilson as the QB of the future and not the bust he has been ? Because the GM and HC who drafted him #2 won’t admit their total failure.
That’s how it works.
GW is Schiano’s star recruit and continues to protect him because it protects himself too, especially with 7 more years on his contract.