Doesnt matter how angry and jealous of him you are. You will always be small in every way...
Trump accepts $400M jet "gift" from Quatar a week after announcing $5B golf resort plan. Just blatant corruption wow.
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And if anyone wanted to see the mush that was left of your brain after all of the crazy Right Wing Conspiracy Twitter you ingest ... This is a great example
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Of course his name isn't going to be on the title. That wouldn't be smart at all. He gets to use it while he's President for free (which of course is just fine). THEN it gets moved to the Trump library where he gets to use former Air Force One (and still a basically new plane) for free. That doesn't seem fine to me. Aside from taking a gift from a sort of sketchy source... that's the part that gets me.Agreed - this ain’t good. Especially the part about for his personal use after he leaves the presidency.
On the plane itself - to be fair I don’t think Trump’s name is gonna be on the title. 747s are hellaciously expensive to maintain. So that sorta gets around the ‘gifts’ thing. Not really but sorta. Technically I guess….
But using a plane gifted from a tenuous at best ally, as AIR FORCE ONE???
That’s gonna be a no from me, dawg. Damn thing probably has more bugs than a trailer park full of gamecock fans.
Precisely - this is a bribe from a Middle Eastern country. Imagine if Barrack Obama had accepted this gift - are the MAGAts on the board going to say they’d be entirely okay with Barrack accepted a new jet which will get a maximum of 2 years of use before the already ordered Boeings are delivered?
It’s insane - we have planes being delivered ~2 years after the delivery of this plane.. We don’t need it! It’s immediately transferred to the public library - why not continue operating or sell since it has a number of operating years left and being fully repurposed? Trump fully intends to use the plane for personal use and skirts the emoluments clause since the plane is owned by the library.
Why is anyone okay with the president having any potential conflict of interest with any country, let alone a Hamas-supporting Middle Eastern country? MAGA is a cult.
Not trying to kill all the outrage and crap on a lively Trump basing session , but a plane going to the presidential library doesn't mean that it's going to be used. Reagan library has one on display. Same thing here.
Also Qatar buys $billions of military hardware and related services under our Foreign Military Sales program. They are a major non-NATO defense partner of ours and we have an air base in their country that we pay $0.00 for essentially and Qatar has upgraded for us to the tune of $billions.
The cost to refit the plane may turn out to be prohibitive but, nevermind. Have a good time!
Also Qatar buys $billions of military hardware and related services under our Foreign Military Sales program. They are a major non-NATO defense partner of ours and we have an air base in their country that we pay $0.00 for essentially and Qatar has upgraded for us to the tune of $billions.
The cost to refit the plane may turn out to be prohibitive but, nevermind. Have a good time!
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"The Obamas did not keep the jewelry gifted to them by Qatar. U.S. federal law prohibits government officials, including the President and First Lady, from personally keeping gifts from foreign leaders that exceed a minimal value (set at $375 in 2014, for example) unless they pay the fair market value. According to State Department records and multiple reports, the lavish gifts received by the Obamas, including two gold-plated bird clock mechanisms valued at $110,000 each from the Emir of Qatar in 2015, were turned over to the National Archives or other government entities, as is standard protocol to avoid any perception of bribery or influence. There is no evidence that the Obamas paid to keep these items, and records indicate Barack Obama did not purchase any gifts from his 2013-2016 hauls"
You know that but I think a lot of people think they’re gonna see it parked outside Mar A Lago.
The whole thing is just not good.
Actually I’d be more okay if it were used for former Presidents (not sure if they get such a courtesy - never heard of it) than the current one. I seriously doubt it’s got half the equipment AF1 has.
You know, the communication equipment, the flares, missile avoidance system, escape pod….
@fatpiggy can’t handle simple data and facts - please prepare for your response to go ignored.
Where do I find the intelligent members of the MAGA cult?
I'm sure he knew they followed proper protocol but unless we bust him, he'll keep the propaganda firehose going. Ethics is not his thing
If you think dpic is intelligent that tells me all I need to know.
He has been wrong on literally every single topic. He was a white dude for Harris and thought Biden was sharp as a tack. Check his post history.
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Why would someone need to be smart to banter with you? I'm just here to bust your ********, ya psycho. So easy a caveman could do it.
Did he ever answer your last rounds of economics questions, or did he duck those questions too?
We are back on good terms now. He agreed to cut the personal insults and we have had some good dialogue since.
Correct - we don’t agree on any economic concepts of consequence but we are keeping it civil.
Back to the debate -
1) I’m a data guy. Look at the EV sales of Tesla relative to the broader market - I’m personally not saying one EV is better than the other, but the global consumer obviously is saying that Tesla’s lead in EVs has drastically shrunk (if not disappeared)
2) No reputable economist agrees with you. I’ve explained inflation to you a number of times. Also, just read the headlines if you don’t have access to equity and fixed income research - eg, Walmart announced it is raising prices due to tariffs.
3) That’s an objective fact - do you not have access to any equity or fixed income research? Do you think the market tanked for any other reason? It’s come back because Trump had backed off tariffs - nothing else has changed (eg, onshoring).
Correct MAGAs love to create an issue, make it marginally better than the bottom, and then claim victory.
The tariff impacts are absolutely coming.
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Look at inflation pre - election. This is when Joe drained the Strategic petroleum reserve to try and beat down energy prices to get inflation lower so he could pretend like he was trying to fight inflation. Look post election. After they could no longer artificially depress inflation because they had used all their bullets, it started to climb again.
Then look at January 20th. It has dropped like a lead weight.
If the big beautiful bill passes then inflation will return. Its just more government spending under a different name. I seek protection in BTC. I won't be holding dollars if that is going to be how we spend money.
Democrats policies were highly inflationary. They did not show any concern for your dollar, look at the DOGE findings and all the wasted NGO money. They are like the family that gets the maxed out credit card bill but can't find any spending to cut. Modern Monetary Theory was a huge failure.
As far as "reputable economist" you are just falling for the MSM narrative. Dpic would continually post "reputable economist" "top economist" that have been wrong every step of the way. Tell me exactly which economist you refer to. The broad strokes of "experts" is a scam argument.
I wont pretend to know fixed income. I am an equities guy. I see the 10 yr creeping and that concerns me about the market. I have been amazed at the market rally despite the 10yr climbing back up from 4 to 4.5%. That is an indication of a strong market to me.
If you want to say the market lost confidence in Trump last month when it tanked 20% i will buy that argument. But on the flip side of that argument you must say they have regained that confidence because the market is higher since liberation day. Combine that with strong geo-political performance, and accomplishing his campaign promises and this is why you see support for Trump at record highs and democrats at record lows.
Democrats are getting left in the dust and it's because people are realizing Trump is not what the MSM made him out to be. Trump shows concern for YOUR wallet. He is making bi-partisan progress on immigration, inflation, pharmaceutical prices and more.
No OEM has come close to making a mass produced EV at a profit. Im not going to argue much about it because TSLA is not really a car company anymore. They are a AI and Robotics company. The number of cars they sell is quickly becoming irrelevant. It is, however, the best valued car on the market and it's not very close. Wake me up when an OEM makes a profitable EV.
Then look at January 20th. It has dropped like a lead weight.
If the big beautiful bill passes then inflation will return. Its just more government spending under a different name. I seek protection in BTC. I won't be holding dollars if that is going to be how we spend money.
Democrats policies were highly inflationary. They did not show any concern for your dollar, look at the DOGE findings and all the wasted NGO money. They are like the family that gets the maxed out credit card bill but can't find any spending to cut. Modern Monetary Theory was a huge failure.
As far as "reputable economist" you are just falling for the MSM narrative. Dpic would continually post "reputable economist" "top economist" that have been wrong every step of the way. Tell me exactly which economist you refer to. The broad strokes of "experts" is a scam argument.
I wont pretend to know fixed income. I am an equities guy. I see the 10 yr creeping and that concerns me about the market. I have been amazed at the market rally despite the 10yr climbing back up from 4 to 4.5%. That is an indication of a strong market to me.
If you want to say the market lost confidence in Trump last month when it tanked 20% i will buy that argument. But on the flip side of that argument you must say they have regained that confidence because the market is higher since liberation day. Combine that with strong geo-political performance, and accomplishing his campaign promises and this is why you see support for Trump at record highs and democrats at record lows.
Democrats are getting left in the dust and it's because people are realizing Trump is not what the MSM made him out to be. Trump shows concern for YOUR wallet. He is making bi-partisan progress on immigration, inflation, pharmaceutical prices and more.
No OEM has come close to making a mass produced EV at a profit. Im not going to argue much about it because TSLA is not really a car company anymore. They are a AI and Robotics company. The number of cars they sell is quickly becoming irrelevant. It is, however, the best valued car on the market and it's not very close. Wake me up when an OEM makes a profitable EV.
This is precisely why I am against our tax dollars going to foreign governments. This isn’t some fringe group spouting this hateful ****, it’s the literal government of South Africa. We have no business giving money to these types of racist politicians and countries.
I don't see how this is any different than the horde of other countries we send money/aid to that say horrid ****. Hell, we just marked a large arms deal with the country that funded 9/11. If you're going to nitpick what countries we work with based on if their gov't remarks offend you, then you'll be staring down an isolationist movement similar to Japan during the Edo period.
Yup. Everyone is catching on though. We see through their dirty tricks. Obama and many other presidents have accepted plenty of gifts on behalf of the US.
It’s not any different. That’s my point, we are funding people that hate our values all over the damn world, it’s crazy. It’s actually refreshing to see a government say what they mean. I would say in some regards I am isolationist. We are the baddest dude on the block, we can be overly selective with who we do business with and who we fund. Point being - we don’t need SA to be strong for America to be strong and that goes for a lot of other countries. JMO. I’m certainly isolationist when it comes to military and defense. We need to worry about us and us only.
The problem with this line of thinking is that the reason we are the "baddest dude on the block" is because we made an agreement with other world powers that we would focus on providing military support and essentially trade stability while they focused on rebuilding their economies post WW2. It's a reason why we have a presence nearly everywhere on the globe, the USD is the standard global currency, and also why US based companies have such favorable trade agreements with other countries. We've positioned ourselves as the premiere global power by providing a military presence throughout the world which helps curb bad actors from affecting international commerce.
We're essentially attempting to reset the global dynamic that has lead to us becoming the global superpower that we are today. Is there going to be spending that everyone agrees with? No. Is there going to be instances of fraud/waste? Absolutely - and I think we should put more of an effort toward snuffing them out. However, if you look throughout history, isolationist societies always end up floundering/weakening significantly.
On behalf of the United States is different from for personal use, right?
Are you hearing people say no president should accept any gifts?
You had me interested until I read “favorable trade agreement's”. We pay substantially more for almost every product and service in the world. Sometimes multiples more. I work for a large global corporation and I see what we pay and what we charge around the world. It’s not even close to fair. This isn’t an anecdotal case is what I mean.
Trump has said on national TV the plane wouldnt be used for personal use after his term. What are you implying?
But that is an anecdotal case. It's also a shallow view of international commerce, considering the benefits aren't equally distributed across all business sectors. Your individual industry may not benefit from them as much as others, but the overall health of the US Economy relies on far more industries than just your one field.
Cato has a good breakdown on it, and they are far from a liberal outlet.
I'm implying that is the reason there has been pushback. The assumption that this was gifted to Trump, not to America.
It has not only been Dems saying this smells fishy. It could turn out to be 100% above board, which would be great. But questions and concerns are to be expected when it comes to a gift of this size and of this nature from a middle eastern government, right?
Acting like this is completely normal and it's just those dang ole dirty dems doesn't make sense to me. You agreed with this and had concerns yourself originally.
One other thing that I don't think i've seen explicity discussed in this thread is the potential impact to our overall diplomatic, miliitary, economic goals in the region IF the President of the United States were to reject legitimate and lavish gift TO THE UNITED STATES from the KING of a country in a strategically important region of the world that :
a.) Is one of our designated 18 major non-Nato Allies (Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Brazil, Colombia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kenya, Kuwait, Morocco, New Zealand, Pakistan, the Philippines, Qatar, South Korea, Thailand, and Tunisia).
b.) Is the 2nd or 3rd largest customer of our Foreign Military Sales program ($26BB+- but that number moves around a bit ...with Israel in the pole position at +-$39BB and Poland jumping in 2023 at $30BB for that year at least.... Anyway, safe to say they are a BIG customer of our defense industry and gov't.
c.) Hosts the largest US military bas in the Middle East Region, essentially gratis (Al Udeid Air Base)
d.) Is a critical player in counterterrorism efforts and countering the influence of IRAN and more importantly CHINA
e.) Looking to develop an economy more diverse than simply oil exports and broaden economic ties with countries outside the region
f.) Has CHINA as it's largest economic trading partner-
Socieies in that region with strong Tribal backgrounds. Symbolism is important and power is respected. Strong, powerful leaders are respected even more and essential to stong alliances and prevent endless jockying and hedging of bets behind the scenes. Sure Qatar was sucking up to Trump and the US. Everybody knows it. And it's expected. Trump and the US with the visit bolstered the internal and external perception of Qatar and their royal familiy big time. 2nd stop right after Saudi Arabia. Everyting means something.
It's no bueno to give slaves, a chest full of gold, and a royal family daughter or two as a gifts anymore to demonstrate a partnership, so an airplane and business deals have to suffice.
The US with Trump as our chief diplomat with the stop in Qatar (1st ever by a POTUS) . Cock blocks China, further boxes in Iran, lets Saudi Arabia know that they aren't the only girl in the US harem and he sold some **** while he was at it.
Just say thank you, take the effing plane, say you love it and are going to use it. Do all that publically and keep the goodwill going. Then figure out what we do with it, if anything, later. It probably doesn't make sense to refurb it an use it for 2yrs. Who GAF? Park it and turn it into a museum piece later or scrap it. Whatever.
Congress and everyone should really be a bit more circumspect about the internal political ******** while the home team is out on the road in force making deals and drumming up business trying to fight a non-shooting war with our biggest threat, and to keep a freaking nuke out of the hands of the largest state sponsor of terrorisom in the world.
Edit: to they symbolism point... just watched a news clip from yesterday and commentary was that Saudi sent 5 fighter jets up to escort AF1 (big symbolism) . Qatar then did the same.. execpt they sent 8. That wasn't by accident. Done on purpose to send a message to the US, to Saudi, to Others inthe region and internal to Qatar.
a.) Is one of our designated 18 major non-Nato Allies (Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Brazil, Colombia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kenya, Kuwait, Morocco, New Zealand, Pakistan, the Philippines, Qatar, South Korea, Thailand, and Tunisia).
b.) Is the 2nd or 3rd largest customer of our Foreign Military Sales program ($26BB+- but that number moves around a bit ...with Israel in the pole position at +-$39BB and Poland jumping in 2023 at $30BB for that year at least.... Anyway, safe to say they are a BIG customer of our defense industry and gov't.
c.) Hosts the largest US military bas in the Middle East Region, essentially gratis (Al Udeid Air Base)
d.) Is a critical player in counterterrorism efforts and countering the influence of IRAN and more importantly CHINA
e.) Looking to develop an economy more diverse than simply oil exports and broaden economic ties with countries outside the region
f.) Has CHINA as it's largest economic trading partner-
Socieies in that region with strong Tribal backgrounds. Symbolism is important and power is respected. Strong, powerful leaders are respected even more and essential to stong alliances and prevent endless jockying and hedging of bets behind the scenes. Sure Qatar was sucking up to Trump and the US. Everybody knows it. And it's expected. Trump and the US with the visit bolstered the internal and external perception of Qatar and their royal familiy big time. 2nd stop right after Saudi Arabia. Everyting means something.
It's no bueno to give slaves, a chest full of gold, and a royal family daughter or two as a gifts anymore to demonstrate a partnership, so an airplane and business deals have to suffice.
The US with Trump as our chief diplomat with the stop in Qatar (1st ever by a POTUS) . Cock blocks China, further boxes in Iran, lets Saudi Arabia know that they aren't the only girl in the US harem and he sold some **** while he was at it.
Just say thank you, take the effing plane, say you love it and are going to use it. Do all that publically and keep the goodwill going. Then figure out what we do with it, if anything, later. It probably doesn't make sense to refurb it an use it for 2yrs. Who GAF? Park it and turn it into a museum piece later or scrap it. Whatever.
Congress and everyone should really be a bit more circumspect about the internal political ******** while the home team is out on the road in force making deals and drumming up business trying to fight a non-shooting war with our biggest threat, and to keep a freaking nuke out of the hands of the largest state sponsor of terrorisom in the world.
Edit: to they symbolism point... just watched a news clip from yesterday and commentary was that Saudi sent 5 fighter jets up to escort AF1 (big symbolism) . Qatar then did the same.. execpt they sent 8. That wasn't by accident. Done on purpose to send a message to the US, to Saudi, to Others inthe region and internal to Qatar.
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You know what they say about assuming. It will make an *** out of you and me.
I didn't say it was those dang old dirty dems. But it is the same hypocritical rules for thee but not for me. Same thing on immigration.
When all democrats did was drag their feet and play dirty tricks during Trumps first term you start to see the true motive. They did the exact same thing. Obama, among many other presidents, accepted many high dollar gifts under the exact same rules.
If you don't like it change the rules when you are in power. But this whole situation where Trump can't do what previous presidents did is just absurd. It's hypocritical and the people see right through it. It's a large part of why Trump is polling at record highs and democrats are polling sub 20%. They are just playing dirty tricks instead of trying to help the american people.
Perhaps if they were more honest when they were in power their concerns would be taken more seriously. As it is, they are like the little boys that cried wolf. And everyone is onto their games now. Thats why nothing is sticking to Trump despite all their tired tactics.
Start putting forth ideas to help the people.
Personally i hope yall keep this thread at the top. It means y'all are sticking with the old gameplan instead of helping the people. Maybe the midterm trouncing will wake them up to adjust course. Newscumb is getting the message, look at his pivot.
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You’re in a cult man. Worshipping trump equals heresy. Good luck.
A cult of personality. A cult of disruption. I am a proud member.
It’s acknowledging that the power lies with We The People and not some “elite bureaucrats” in DC
The elites failed us. They gave us high inflation, vaccine passports, two tiered justice system, mass immigration, DEI, Lowest race relations in years. The person they said was in charge was mentally incompetent.
Democrat rulers were an abject failure and the people spoke.
I didn’t become outspoken until my misery hit levels I couldn’t take.
Adam Schiff said it best. “Democrats are ********”
Yall start putting forth ideas to help the people and pivot towards the middle and maybe your approval will get back over 20%. Or don’t, I dgaf.
The Power lies with Trump and nobody else in MAGALAND. He couldn't give 2 ***** about the people, except for the money or power they give him.
Example... How is that $600 "Rump" watch treating you?
It seems pretty confirmed that they brought in like 17 members of el chapo’s family so they could buy Trump’s 5 million dollar gold cards. He’s a two bit thug and wannabe king that the Christian right swapped out for Jesus. It’s an abomination of Christianity and an absolute disgrace on this nation.
Funny how many turn out to be the truth in the end. Meanwhile we are all waiting for you to be right about something...
Keep the strawman going if it helps you sleep. Considering how many lies and how much you have been wrong I would think a rational person would do some reflecting. But you are in a cult and have a severe case of TDS. Lets look at all the things you tards claimed about him that turned out to not be true. Being in your cult the truth doesnt matter. All that matters is your power, and you will lie,cheat,steal, and kill to keep it...FAFO