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TigerGrowls

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AN EXCELLENT OVERVIEW:

“I think, if everyone knew the truth of what vaccines actually do, it would be easy to get them stopped, even vaccine supporters would understand the dangers.

Vaccines are a flawed concept; they can only cause immune dysfunction.

They mimic a venomous snake bite, they bypass the early warning system, Th17, in the boundary layer, eyes, skin, gut, and lungs, and can only cause immune dysfunction because they evoke a Th2 immune response, when a Th1 response is required, and then that skewed immune response is learned and locked into memory.

They evoke the army, Th2, and not the navy, Th1, and train the navy to stand down in future virus battles. Vaccines confuse the immune system and make viral infections harder to clear thereafter. This will compromise the immune efficiency in finding ongoing replication of viruses inside cells, and so prolong viral clearance times and illness.

This is how vaccines interact with the immune system.

Scientists check for an immune response after vaccination, and they all agree on finding a Th2 response. However, they fail to mention the importance of the finding and the negative effects on future health.”
 
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After years of begging, they finally did a vax - unvax study...with a proper control group (zero vaccines).

Then they buried the results because it was so damning.

But it is coming to light now. Vaccinated kids have FAR higher rates of chronic illness than unvaccinated.

It is not just about acute illness (which is largely benign for most). It is about the whole health picture. And that picture is BAD for the vaccinated.

We MUST do follow-up studies, and we MUST reconsider all the vaccines we are giving to our precious, fragile children. Or within a generation, we won't have any healthy people left.
 
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Traditional vaccines expose you to a dead pathogen. They often have additives to accelerate the immune response. I guess one could wait to be exposed to a live virus and hope Darwin/grim reaper doesn't come with it.

I will not take an mRNA vax. I always ask about the type of vax before I take it. They are trying to sneak mRNA into flu vaxxes. The nasal flu vaxxes are back and can be sent to your house. RSV can be deadly for premature babies. They have had preventive treatments for it for years but not a vax. They now have a mRNA vax for that and suddenly they are pushing that on the elderly. Never heard a peep about it in regards to the elderly until after the vax. Color me skeptical!

The problem we have is the loss of trust after the government's heavy handed response to COVID.

For me the bigger issue is diet. MAHA!

The conventional wisdom out of the establishment (medical and government) is IMO wrong. Sugar, most carbohydrates, and seed oils are bad for you. The Food Pyramid is bad for your health. Stay away from grains including "healthy" grains with most meals. If eating bread products go Keto and keep total grams low.

Eating carbs from low glycemic foods in a manner that keeps the total grams below the threshold that impacts your glucose negatively should be the goal. This will vary as no one is the same. This will reverse obesity and in most people put their T2D into remission.

Saturated fats are not bad for you. Protein does not cause T2D. High cholesterol does not cause heart disease in metabolically healthy people who do not have high blood pressure or T2D. Current studies support these findings but they are few in number, the medical community is slow to adopt new info and most doctors continue to follow the old recommendations.

I take a statin and several blood pressure medicines. I eat low carb, engage in moderate exercise (Tai Chi and walking) , lost 40 lbs and put my T2D in remission from A1c 11 to 5.6-5.7. All my blood work came back normal except the cholesterol. After taking the statin the cholesterol came back normal. If I did not have HB and was not prone to T2D, I would tell the Drs to pound sand on the statin. But I have the other factors and I take my statins, adverse effects and all.

My point? As Reagan would say trust your doctor but verify because he/she is influenced by big pharma.
 
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Aaron Siri: "Look, if vaccines are so safe, why are they the only consumer product where you cannot sue the manufacturer for injuries to claim it was made safe there? It's been over 30 years, they're telling you hep B safe, Hib safe, these are safe. You still need immunity?"

"Okay, let me tell you my definition of vaccine, Senator. It's a product that causes so much injury that it has to have liability for the injuries that it's caused, immunity for the injuries that it's causing."

"That's what a vaccine is. You know, we sued the CDC for the studies that support that the vaccines given in the first month of life do not cause autism. We sued them because they wouldn't give it to us."

"We said, give us a set to just show the meningococcal vaccine, the polio vaccine, the hep B vaccine, the hip vaccine, and the hep B vaccine. Those five vaccines don't cause autism. You know what they provided? None. "

"We sued them in federal court. They ended up in stipulated order. They gave us 20 studies. Not one of them has to do with those vaccines. They're all MMR or they're all thimerosal. This notion that there's a mountain of studies out there that show vaccines of autism is ridiculous. "

"And I've heard the measles death in Texas bandied about. We represent one of those families. We've seen the medical records. One of those kids, I can tell you for certain did not die from measles. He died from hospital malfeasance."
 
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Aaron Siri: "Look, if vaccines are so safe, why are they the only consumer product where you cannot sue the manufacturer for injuries to claim it was made safe there? It's been over 30 years, they're telling you hep B safe, Hib safe, these are safe. You still need immunity?"

"Okay, let me tell you my definition of vaccine, Senator. It's a product that causes so much injury that it has to have liability for the injuries that it's caused, immunity for the injuries that it's causing."

"That's what a vaccine is. You know, we sued the CDC for the studies that support that the vaccines given in the first month of life do not cause autism. We sued them because they wouldn't give it to us."

"We said, give us a set to just show the meningococcal vaccine, the polio vaccine, the hep B vaccine, the hip vaccine, and the hep B vaccine. Those five vaccines don't cause autism. You know what they provided? None. "

"We sued them in federal court. They ended up in stipulated order. They gave us 20 studies. Not one of them has to do with those vaccines. They're all MMR or they're all thimerosal. This notion that there's a mountain of studies out there that show vaccines of autism is ridiculous. "

"And I've heard the measles death in Texas bandied about. We represent one of those families. We've seen the medical records. One of those kids, I can tell you for certain did not die from measles. He died from hospital malfeasance."
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this is another of those issue where you don't know who to believe. Vaccines are good, vaccines are bad, and both sides have the data to prove it?? We're in another of those situations where, as a parent, you have to make the decision for your children and can't get the "facts" upon which to make a decision. My children are grown. I can say we believed our doctor and got the normal child vaccines. Nowadays, after COVID, I'm not so sure
 
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DCandtheUTBand said:
Traditional vaccines expose you to a dead pathogen. They often have additives to accelerate the immune response. I guess one could wait to be exposed to a live virus and hope Darwin/grim reaper doesn't come with it.

I will not take an mRNA vax. I always ask about the type of vax before I take it. They are trying to sneak mRNA into flu vaxxes. The nasal flu vaxxes are back and can be sent to your house. RSV can be deadly for premature babies. They have had preventive treatments for it for years but not a vax. They now have a mRNA vax for that and suddenly they are pushing that on the elderly. Never heard a peep about it in regards to the elderly until after the vax. Color me skeptical!

The problem we have is the loss of trust after the government's heavy handed response to COVID.

For me the bigger issue is diet. MAHA!

The conventional wisdom out of the establishment (medical and government) is IMO wrong. Sugar, most carbohydrates, and seed oils are bad for you. The Food Pyramid is bad for your health. Stay away from grains including "healthy" grains with most meals. If eating bread products go Keto and keep total grams low.

Eating carbs from low glycemic foods in a manner that keeps the total grams below the threshold that impacts your glucose negatively should be the goal. This will vary as no one is the same. This will reverse obesity and in most people put their T2D into remission.

Saturated fats are not bad for you. Protein does not cause T2D. High cholesterol does not cause heart disease in metabolically healthy people who do not have high blood pressure or T2D. Current studies support these findings but they are few in number, the medical community is slow to adopt new info and most doctors continue to follow the old recommendations.

I take a statin and several blood pressure medicines. I eat low carb, engage in moderate exercise (Tai Chi and walking) , lost 40 lbs and put my T2D in remission from A1c 11 to 5.6-5.7. All my blood work came back normal except the cholesterol. After taking the statin the cholesterol came back normal. If I did not have HB and was not prone to T2D, I would tell the Drs to pound sand on the statin. But I have the other factors and I take my statins, adverse effects and all.

My point? As Reagan would say trust your doctor but verify because he/she is influenced by big pharma.
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Good post. 100% agree that American diet and lifestyle is to blame for many of our health issues. And the nutrition guidance we were raised on simply isn't accurate. That just further erodes trust in the medical community. Guidance from the medical community has been full of mistakes over the years. When combined with incredibly obvious monetary incentives for procedures and drugs, it's totally reasonable for people to question them.
 
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🤷‍♂️ You tell me, I don’t know
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Was at the PT, then a late work call, I don’t know either lol

There was just a 2mm people study done on this and once normalized for genetics and environment, there was no connection. So was curious when a new study was done. Conducted by who, etc.
 
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UrHuckleberry said:
Was at the PT, then a late work call, I don’t know either lol

There was just a 2mm people study done on this and once normalized for genetics and environment, there was no connection. So was curious when a new study was done. Conducted by who, etc.
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I don't know about either of these studies or their results. One thing that seems pretty obvious though is that what we are doing - so far - is not helping to reduce or eliminate autism, and the numbers of autistic children seems to be increasing. Once again, we have smart people who see the issue 180degrees differently. I must admit, I do find it somewhat unsettling that after only 6 months or so the Department of Health has done this study and come to a seemingly firm conclusion.
 
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UrHuckleberry said:
Was at the PT, then a late work call, I don’t know either lol

There was just a 2mm people study done on this and once normalized for genetics and environment, there was no connection. So was curious when a new study was done. Conducted by who, etc.
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hub.jhu.edu

Taking Tylenol during pregnancy associated with elevated risks for autism, ADHD

In analysis of umbilical cord blood, researchers discover that elevated levels of acetaminophen is associated with up to three times the risk of autism, ADHD diagnosis
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I don't know about either of these studies or their results. One thing that seems pretty obvious though is that what we are doing - so far - is not helping to reduce or eliminate autism, and the numbers of autistic children seems to be increasing. Once again, we have smart people who see the issue 180degrees differently. I must admit, I do find it somewhat unsettling that after only 6 months or so the Department of Health has done this study and come to a seemingly firm conclusion.
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Because it's complete and total crap.

They found no link between vaccines and had to come up with something.

As I've said, more autism diagnosis doesn't mean more cases of Autism Spectrum Disorder.
 
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fatpiggy said:
hub.jhu.edu

Taking Tylenol during pregnancy associated with elevated risks for autism, ADHD

In analysis of umbilical cord blood, researchers discover that elevated levels of acetaminophen is associated with up to three times the risk of autism, ADHD diagnosis
hub.jhu.edu hub.jhu.edu
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This was why I asked. I agree with Cassidy.

If I’m honest, it feels like they made the promise, and just had to make an announcement in September, so went with something. A cause that has been extensively studied and found not correlated and a solution that only moderately helps a fraction of kids with a specific deficiency (who’s doctors should already be treating).

I am obviously more sensitive to this topic than some with an autistic kid. But this just feels rushed, misleading, and political.

It’s great they are putting more money towards research, as we mostly hear about them cutting scientific research projects. Just hope it isn’t just going to the scientists who keep propping up junk science. But after the ACIP board appointees, I am not optimistic on that point.
 
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baltimorened said:
I don't know about either of these studies or their results. One thing that seems pretty obvious though is that what we are doing - so far - is not helping to reduce or eliminate autism, and the numbers of autistic children seems to be increasing. Once again, we have smart people who see the issue 180degrees differently. I must admit, I do find it somewhat unsettling that after only 6 months or so the Department of Health has done this study and come to a seemingly firm conclusion.
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I don't think they are finished yet. Think the possible vaccine connection is still being worked on.
 
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What is potentially dangerous, is that fever during pregnancy can legitimately be really bad for the baby. Especially during the first trimester, where it can cause birth defects or miscarriages etc.

Coming out with that type of information without clear new studies that exclude or normalize for genetics, will give pregnant women doubts and some will try to make it through a fever without needed medication.
 
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Thoughts?



UrHuckleberry said:
Was at the PT, then a late work call, I don’t know either lol

There was just a 2mm people study done on this and once normalized for genetics and environment, there was no connection. So was curious when a new study was done. Conducted by who, etc.
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