Vaccines for children
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RFK Jr: Researcher Dan Olmsted "was very curious about unvaccinated populations, and the Amish are one of those populations."
"So he went and he did a study of the Amish... Following the national trends, there should have been about 2,000 autism cases. And they were able to find three."
"And all of them were children who had been adopted by the Amish after receiving their vaccines."
"Of the Amish in general, they could not find any."
I believe that's true, but it will be years before a complete determination can be made.
If I'm a pregnant woman, I don't take Tylenol until then
So let's see the studies that show this ... Oh right, it's total ******** and no studies show it
I guess I just hear there are new questions, etc, but no new information to make such bold claims like they did. Do you see how it would feel like they just wanted to get something out in September and that it feels like Tylenol is a scapegoat?
Im talking about your claim that there was a huge study done showing there was no connection, and then you have this guy claiming there are 27 studies that show a causal relationship. Is he making things up? Is he misconstruing the studies? Who am i to believe?
“This research is NOT a split decision as you described. TWENTY-SEVEN studies found an association between prenatal use of acetaminophen and autism. There were thirteen studies that went the other way, but the authors concluded that higher quality studies FAVORED an association.
An association and causation are not the same thing. This has been extensively studied as people absolutely want to find answers. Kenvue might be the least lobbying heavy pharma company in the world as well.
Your quote of what I said was incorrect, I said "once normalized for genetics and environment", there was no connection. Meaning there have been a lot of studies that showed association, that once studied further, did not show causation.
Study from last year: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406
People want to know the answer. It is being studied. But doing victory laps before any actual conclusions, particularly one that has the potential to cause damage (fever absolutely can cause much worse things than autism) is reckless.
And honestly, this will be my last post on the topic.
governments seem to really enjoy the victory laps long before the battle is over. Unfortunately there's never a follow up to really analyze if the lap was warranted.
And it honestly feels like this is an attempt to placate the people who are convinced that something is "causing" autism, even though they have zero proof or new studies which show that at all.
Honestly the best part of the press conference was the laughingly bad attempt at pronouncing Acetaminophen by our President. I instantly understood why they blamed Tylenol and not acetaminophen. I do wonder if Tylenol is going to sue based on the use of their brand name.
History of Autism: When Was Autism First Diagnosed? | Otsimo
This article explains the history of autism and how the evolution occurred, characterizing autism from a psychiatric disorder to a developmental disorder.
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History of Autism: When Was Autism First Diagnosed? | Otsimo
This article explains the history of autism and how the evolution occurred, characterizing autism from a psychiatric disorder to a developmental disorder.
It's so frustrating to see the highest levels of our government continue to spread misinformation, when the reality is very obvious.
"Is Trump correct that US autism diagnoses are rising?
During the event, Trump listed a number of statistics which he said showed that autism diagnoses in the US have risen rapidly over the past two decades.
Firstly, the US president claimed that incidence has increased from around "one in 10,000…probably 18 years ago" to "one in 31" by 2025.
The final statistic quoted by Trump - that autism rates have risen to one in 31 - is correct. Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in 2022 found that level of diagnoses among eight year olds across 16 US states.
While that rate has grown from 18 years ago, it did not grow by anything like the figure cited by Trump. While there was no figure for 2007 - the year cited by Trump - in 2006 the CDC estimated the rate of autism in the US population to be 1 in 110. In 2008 it was 1 in 88.
Most experts say rising rates of autism can primarily be attributed to changes in how the condition is diagnosed, as well as greater recognition of the condition and more people being tested."
Fact-checking three claims Trump made about autism
Experts have hit back at claims that use of a common painkiller could cause autism in children.
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Nothing like a bunch of old white dudes, who have been making conspiracy after conspiracy up about vaccines leading to Autism, settle instead on blaming women for it.
It's the most on the nose, white dude, boomer, MAGA **** ever- blame pregnant women taking tylenol on Austism.
This administration is truly unhinged.
It's the most on the nose, white dude, boomer, MAGA **** ever- blame pregnant women taking tylenol on Austism.
This administration is truly unhinged.
from what you posted, you know more about this than I do. But, I have to admit, if I'm pregnant (now that I know men can be) I find another another pain reliever. Although, based on today's political environment, some women will take Tylenol just to spite trump
Pregnant women are not allowed any other pain medicines since all others have way more side effects. Not to mention, keeping a high fever can have really bad effects on a child.
The reality is that Autism is a genetic disorder similar to Cerebal Palsy. CP has a range of impact from non detectable, to fully paraplegic. They have no idea what causes it since it a a birth defect. Sometimes stuff just happens.
"The Amish, a religious and cultural group primarily in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana, have been the subject of myths claiming they experience little to no autism—often tied to their lower vaccination rates or "simpler" lifestyle. However, scientific evidence shows autism does occur in Amish communities, with prevalence rates that are comparable to or slightly lower than the general population. Apparent differences are largely attributed to underdiagnosis, not absence."
"Key Scientific Studies Limited but rigorous research has examined ASD in Amish populations, focusing on screening and diagnosis challenges like cultural norms (e.g., reluctance to seek external medical care) and genetic founder effects (the Amish descend from a small group of European settlers, leading to higher rates of certain genetic conditions)."
- Diagnosis Challenges: Amish families often prioritize community-based care and may view behavioral differences as "quirky" traits rather than seeking formal diagnosis. Limited health insurance and rural isolation contribute to underreporting. A 2009 case study also identified a genetic mutation (CNTNAP2) linked to autism and seizures in Amish children, confirming hereditary factors.
- Vaccination Context: While Amish vaccination rates are lower (~14–32% fully unvaccinated per 2011–2017 surveys), 68–85% receive at least some vaccines. Over 20 large-scale studies (e.g., Danish cohort of 657,000 children) show no link between vaccines (including MMR) and autism—rates are identical in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated groups.
- Autism exists but is underdiagnosed; experts like Braxton Mitchell (Amish Research Clinic) confirm cases via clinics serving Amish families.
- Lower observed rates (~1/3 of national) stem from diagnostic barriers, not biology or vaccines. Genetic studies show no protective "Amish gene" against ASD; instead, their founder population increases risks for some neurodevelopmental disorders.
- Broader factors (e.g., lower exposure to pollutants or screens) may mildly influence severity, but not eliminate ASD.
This under diagnosis coping mechanism used by libs and the vax groupies is sad and dangerous for the long term health of our population.
You have a bloated orange turnip with zero expertise in public health bellowing on national tv about not taking a drug he can't even pronounce, while recommending taking a drug conveniently sold by his Administrator for the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, with no new studies that prove any of this.
You don't belong in a conversation about what's dangerous for our health. Do you think we forgot about your 10,000 posts that prove you'd take the word of a witch doctor over someone with 12 years of medical school?
Show me a single study that shows a link. What is dangerous is idiotic buffoons like our President and apparently you spreading misinformation such a Tylenol causes Autism.
It's the most MAGA thing ever to try and blame women for autism.
I really wonder if Tylenol is going to sue the administration for slander.
Yoshi,
Trust the experts running the show and be grateful for more knowledge. Being anti science is unbecoming bro.
You support an idiot who can't pronounce Acetaminophen.
I feel good with the experts I follow.
This graph is meaningless. It has no sourcing, no references. I can make that graph in excel in 2 minutes. Sometimes it's hard to tell when people are being serious and when they are not. You seem to take it very seriously, which i appreciate, and then you post something like that which any person with an average IQ knows is meaningless. Without sourcing and telling where the data comes from it is like a child's fingerpainting.
I need you to calm down. That was clearly a joke and I am aware that RFK Jr's years on earth haven't caused autism. Goodness man. I do take it seriously, but I thought that this graph was clear enough ha
If it was a joke, i missed it. I apologize.
I thought it was just saying prevalence of autism during RFK's lifetime.
No worries. I wouldn't have dropped something serious like that without at least an article or something (if something more legit were on the axis that his years on earth).
Genuinely thought that would make both sides chuckle lol. Possible I'm broken.
Just listen to RFK and his team. They will have you back on the right track in no time.
This is extremely sad if true. These American liberals have been brainwashed.
Pregnant liberal took so much Tylenol after hearing Donald Trump say it causes autism she’s now in the ICU and is going to die
Executive Director of American Frontline Nurses got a “very frantic call at 4am from a husband whose wife is now dying of liver failure on a ventilator in an ICU, because she was trying to prove that Tylenol doesn't cause autism because of what Trump said”
She’s going to die
“Whether or not you believe the Harvard study or not is not, not the issue here. The issue is that she's somewhere between 23 to 25 weeks and she overdosed on Tylenol, and she's going to die”
This video is INSANE
Pregnant liberal took so much Tylenol after hearing Donald Trump say it causes autism she’s now in the ICU and is going to die
Executive Director of American Frontline Nurses got a “very frantic call at 4am from a husband whose wife is now dying of liver failure on a ventilator in an ICU, because she was trying to prove that Tylenol doesn't cause autism because of what Trump said”
She’s going to die
“Whether or not you believe the Harvard study or not is not, not the issue here. The issue is that she's somewhere between 23 to 25 weeks and she overdosed on Tylenol, and she's going to die”
This video is INSANE
"Thune also questioned the Trump administration’s recent announcement linking Tylenol use in pregnancy to autism in children, saying he was “very concerned” about potential fallout from the announcement. He acknowledged reports from scientists who have long rejected the link between the pain-reliever and autism, saying “science ought to guide these discussions.”
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
“There are studies out there that they reference,” he said of the announcement. “But again, I think there are an awful lot of people in the medical community who come to a different conclusion about the use of Tylenol. My view is we ought to be very guarded in making broad assertions and make sure that they are well grounded in science and medicine and where we’re taking the consultation advice of experts in the field and ensuring that these things are all well documented.”
Other Republicans have also expressed alarm following Trump’s announcement about Tylenol on Monday, with GOP Sen. Bill Cassidy saying the warning would leave pregnant women with no options to manage their pain.
Thune, when asked what he could do to push back on Health and Human Services Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr. to change the public discourse, pointed to recent checks from Congress on HHS, like Kennedy testifying before the Senate Finance Committee earlier this month. Thune suggested there should be oversight in assessing medical warnings like the Tylenol announcement and to ensure the decisions are rooted in research.
“There needs to be accountability, and there needs to be transparency in this decision-making process, and ensure that it is governed by science,” he said."