WVSPORTS.COM West Virginia guard McNeil into the transfer portal
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Hopefully he finds a situation where he gets nothing but clean looks with 2 or more seconds to set and shoot for a great last year of college ball. He was just not cut out for Big 12 play as seen by this year when he was expected to be the second best scorer on the team making the opposing defense focused on him as such. I thought his improvement at the end of 2021 would translate to a great 2020 year, but instead he ended up worse than role-player Ruoff or Mitchell from past years.
Averaged over 12 points a game last two seasons. How many did you average Ding Dong?
I'm starting to think that he (not Taz) was the player Huggs kept calling out for lack of effort and bad attitude. What I saw in him the last 2 months of the season was a guy who didn't want to force anything, even when the team needed him to do just that.
Sums it up nicely. Despite his 12 points per game this year he wasn't the scorer WVU needed him to be, he never showed up when the heat was on like last year (although last year defenses were more preoccupied with Culver and McBride), and gave up as much as he put up on the scoreboard.
Not bad player, just not capable of being one of of the central members of a competitive Big 12 team. With the roster in its current shape after Bridges and Cotrell left, WVU is better off taking as many chances as possible of finding a Mike Gansey in transfer or recruit than keeping a marginally useful player.
I'm still blown away by Bridges. Huggins bragged more on him than any player on the roster. He's a WV boy. WVU gave him a scholarship instead of the original deal of going to prep school. And for him to enter the portal.........confusing.
I think he is in the same boat as McNeil. Both can be useful role players for a succesful team, but neither can be part of the core of that team's success. It might be better for both parties. It's better for these players in that I believe these role players can go somewhere and maybe positively augment an already built team. WVU might miss them, but given how disfunctional the core of the roster is, WVU may be better served by having more roster spots to take a chance on finding something better.
If the safer and more predictable quantity is similar to what WVU had this year, then I'd much rather take the more volatile and unpredictable chance at doing better even at the risk of being worse.
Thanks to NIL everyone believes they can find that pot of gold. Not everyone is going to get the same kind of deal like an Oscar did.
I don't think that NIL has anything to do with our basketball players leaving. Unless they are getting it from septic and sewer companies, or brick laying companies. Just saying.
Keep believing that if it makes you feel good.
They think they will get one that makes them rich.
Keep scapegoating NIL, nevermind that small private schools like Villanova keep racking up Final Fours even though they were not too long ago a peer program in the same conference, while we seemingly don’t even have enough scholarship players to field a starting 5 at the moment.
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The whole idea for student-athlete is gone. NIL and institutional greed has killed one our culture's treasures. Now ball bouncers are free to freeload at one school after another for years on end until they end up on the same playground they started on...without a degree. Division III has it right.
Funny that the clowns whining about college athletics don't think its destroyed when coaches are making $7 million a year and up off the backs of the players earning the money and ADs are getting $100,000 bonuses when athletes win championships and get $0 from it. Wonder why?
The schools are still making millions as are the coaches, ADs etc. and aren't sending anything but about 8% of the value each football or basketball player bring back to them in the form of scholarships (which are paper compensation only anyway).
Ending the corrupt blockage of players being able to make their own money from whatever legal source they can isn't the problem with college athletics and never has been.
The schools are still making millions as are the coaches, ADs etc. and aren't sending anything but about 8% of the value each football or basketball player bring back to them in the form of scholarships (which are paper compensation only anyway).
Ending the corrupt blockage of players being able to make their own money from whatever legal source they can isn't the problem with college athletics and never has been.
The death of college athletics was gradual. As football became more popular in the US, college football was there to provide a fix. Not quite pro level, but better than local high schools. This resulted in it becoming the defacto minor league for the NFL which is why it is the only sport that support a full athletic department. Then in the desperation to be the best, colleges started paying coaches huge sums to get more interest and thus more dollars. Scholarships were offered for players who couldn't afford college, but were at least capable of preforming in college if they were athletic. Then they were offered to players who were not quite good enough for college, but could at least fake it. Now any athletic talent gets to go to college even if it's obvious they have no business being elementary school grads much less college students. And that is even with accounting for the incredibly dumb downed college standards of today compared to 50 years ago. That's why there is the push to consolidate power in some conferences and eventually FBS will be separated into tiers similar to baseball's AAA, AA, and A levels. But it's clear that most FBS college football programs are minor league NFL teams attached to colleges than actual student athletes programs.
I'm with you as long as....you also say that almost all college athletes other than football and men's basketball players were already getting more compensation than they are bringing in with just the scholarship and room & board they were getting before NIL became a thing.
If the ethic is to compensate people proportional to what they're bringing in then let's pay football and men's basketball players more and the other college athletes less.
There's a simple fix to this. Make the athletes decide the following options:
1. Take a scholarship and forfeit any rights to making NIL money.
OR
2. Refuse the scholarship, walk-on to the team, and take a gamble at making more NIL money than the scholarship, room and board, meals, etc.
Put the decision and critical analysis back on the recruits/players and their families.
Not sure why there needs to be any barriers for anything. We are the only country in the world that has this archaic system of utilizing our universities as sports teams and capping earning potential of our young athletes. If the system was never arbitrarily put into place 100 or so years ago, you wouldn’t have an issue, you just don’t like change.
If they attend WVU (or any college), then they ARE being "compensated". Most will say these athletes aren't there for the degree/education, then don't enroll. That simple. But my kid has a 4.0 GPA and a 30 on the ACT. And will not receive the same financial incentive to attend WVU (or any college) as a kid with less academic credentials than this. So I don't buy the argument of players not being compensated. Regular American families are paying out $20,000-$100,000 for their kids (with good grades and ACT/SAT scores) to attend college. These football/basketball players are getting it for free. I don't shed any tears for their "financial slavery" claims.
EDIT: I will add that I'm all for them receiving money. But when they do, make it like I said...a CHOICE: Scholarship with everything paid for OR receive money and then pay for your education, room and board, meals, etc.
There will be no college sports in the future like there is now. Possibly 32 to 40 teams tops.
It costs the University nothing to allow them to earn outside compensation, additionally, academic scholars have no such restrictions to earn other forms of compensation. You are advocating for a special set of restrictions because you the fan, an unrelated party, doesn’t like the idea of them making money. It’s wrong and frankly unamerican.
You also act as if being a D1 athlete consists of strictly what you see on TV. Athletes in all sports must commit to a strict 20+ hours per week for practice, conditioning, travel, including the off-season, and games on top of the hours required to attend classes and study or risk losing their place in the program. So if that work they put in garners them some attention, you think it’s wrong to cash in?
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Lol doubtful. There is what, 1000 or so Athletic departments from D1 down through JUCO, and most operate in the red. NIL or transfer rules aren’t the straw that’s breaking the camel’s back. The only school who has even flirted with the idea of folding a D1 football program is UConn, but even they seem hell bent to keep trotting a team out there despite astronomical sunk costs, a conference Armageddon scenario for them, no fans, and no hopes of bettering their recruitment.
Uconn only one really?
The UAB football program was terminated after the 2014 season but was reinstated shortly thereafter. The team went on hiatus for two seasons before returning in 2017. UAB won both its first conference championship and bowl game in program history in 2018.
Forgot UAB, but despite crossing the line to actually fold, even they somehow deemed it necessary to restart the program because… reasons. If they’re going to play, I’ll watch, but let’s not pretend if Joe Fan’s interest drops in a significant way it will change things, it’s not as if losing money has stopped programs from existing before.
There will be the mega teams in a mega conference. The rest will fight among themselves for 2 year players that hope to move up. Their games will be internet and Big guys tv deals.
They receive compensation. It's called FREE classes, FREE room, FREE meals, FREE health services, FREE tutors. If they want financial compensation, then don't take the scholarship and use the NIL money to pay for all those things that non-athlete students or walk-ons have to pay for.
Again, I'm all for them making money. Make as much as you want. That's great. But when some of them finish in their 4-5 years at the university, they will have been awarded $100,000-$300,000 in compensation, PLUS a degree.
I am assuming you are referring to football, and what you described isn’t too different from the current setup and somehow life goes on for the hundreds of college football programs around the country. For basketball, Villanova has thrived in a lesser conference, and the elite 8 this year consists of programs from the AAC, Big East, MAAC, and the best regular season team hailed from the WCC, so basketball will see parity regardless of where the money goes.
The University opts to compensate them that way. Not sure why that option means they cannot do endorsement deals, you have yet to present an argument as to why that shouldn’t be allowed other than you feel it’s wrong. The NFL gives them millions and they can still moonlight as a commercial actor and get paid more money, why is that wrong for college kids to do?
You say you’re all for them making as much money as they want in one breath and then in the next say “so long as it’s less than $100-$300k”… lol wtf
If you see this NIL system as "fair" between colleges, you are blind. Teams like WVU will never be able to have the NIL deals that other teams can. For the third time, I'm all for them making money. Just make them pay for their FREE ride that ALLOWS them to gain the financial gains. If it wasn't for the universities, these players wouldn't have their NIL.
It’s not supposed to be “fair”, and it wasn’t fair before this anyway. If you want fair go watch the pros. 32 teams that can all offer a fixed amount of money to talent with all teams revenue sharing.
For basketball again, I point to Villanova as a prime example of what a good program can overcome. Something that we could emulate if we get a good program in place again atleast on the hardwood. Football, if Cincy can succeed then so can we, although I doubt a football NC ever comes for any program that wouldn’t be considered “big money” ever again and I thought that before NIL.
The old system was broken and the new system is worse. It rewards the top 1% and the rest get **** on.
Villanova also keeps losing players as well. Even after a title. Some are their Stars some with less playing time. Lucky for them it stays one star a year sometimes 2 so far.
2021-2022 Villanova transfers sitting out is forward Cole Swide.
Dylan Painter left Villanova without bitterness. He was not disgruntled.
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Wow you are really trying to create a reason to be pissed. Villanova is in the Final Four showing they can compete at the highest level without outbidding the UKs of the world for NIL opportunities. The players you cited all transferred down to lesser programs seeking more PT, one of whom transferred down an entire division to play with his brother. Those guys should rot on the bench and like it, because they need to uphold your opinion of what they should do with their lives.