So Syracuse is a lesser program. Open your fat swollen eyes to the destruction of college sports.
WVSPORTS.COM West Virginia guard McNeil into the transfer portal
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Do you really need me to do a tale of the tape? Yes, Villanova is a much better program, particularly right now, despite much less resources.
I can’t for the life of me understand what your problem is with it. A child actor can make that, but if it’s a football player you clutch your pearls?
Does that child actor get a house provided to them without pay, food daily without pay, medical treatments without pay?
Probably, but can you answer me if the movie studio gets to outsource the bulk of the compensation package to a 3rd party for its lead actors/actresses?
I can't for the life of me understand what your problem is understanding that college sports is amateur sport and not professional.
Child actor is a profession. Pro Football is a profession. College is meant for an education. High School is meant for an education. Amateur sports is for amateurs.
It’s not amateur, as the courts have ruled. The NCAA and it’s member institutions tossed that out when they decided to start charging for tickets, selling TV rights, merch, licensing, etc etc as well as paying coaches in line with professionals.
As another poster noted, go watch D3 if you don’t like it.
Actor makes movie, gets paid for it. But production company owns movie, and can make more money off promoting the movie with/without the actor's permission. College pays these kids to live here, play here, train here, eat here, etc etc etc.
And the schools have the choice to fold their programs and not be bothered with the inconvenience of providing life’s necessities for the athletes they trot out in front of huge paying crowds.
Nah, hence why the rules are the way they are. But you are welcome to keep up your crusade of wishing for a solution that will harm the guys on the team you pay money to see and spend time posting about.
And players have the option to move to another school without penalty and receive the same compensation (room, food, trainers, etc.) if they so choose.
There are no more rules. Those players WVU were paying with cars are leaving for cash. Colleges are not paying players outside forces are. You are welcome to never come here or to another WVU game period. It would be a welcomed sight for everyone.
Social media player getting 30 centers per follower gets an offer elsewhere for 55 cents per follower. What do you think that player is going to do? That's right. Hit the portal.
Trigger that *****.
Free market doesn't bother me fraud. It's your denial that players leave for the highest bidder.
You are an incredibly short sighted person if you think it is that black and white. Every situation for every player is unique with its own set of variables. Some things that are different for every recruit
What position do they play?
Who is actively recruiting them?
Does the kid and their family believe they have pro potential?
Are academics important?
Where are they from? Is geography important?
Is early playing time important (if they are an incoming freshman)? If yes, which programs can offer that of the ones “in” on them?
Is the player currently getting playing time (if they are an active player)? Is the player considered “good” for their position by others? How close are they to being “draft eligible”? Do they like their own staff? Are they well known within the program/around the country? Is their team any good? Is the team recruiting them to leave any good? Is playing for a winner even that important? Do they like their friends at their current school? Who currently occupies the starting spot at the new school? If they don’t win the starting spot is their NFL dream toast? Has their current school recruited someone possibly better?
You are implying that every player around the country is a mercenary available to uproot their life and join the highest bidder based on some per follower social media $ amount that you likely made up in your head (which is like $15k raise if a player has 50k followers). And even if that’s all it took to move a player, like I’ve said all along, so what? People can do what they like with their lives. You are a very bitter little person.
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Bottom line is WVU got the players that were undiscovered (before the ubiquity of the internet and sports coverage) and overlooked by higher profile schools. Sure some might have reasons for WVU over a better program, but most come here because WVU was their choice of similar programs. When transferring wasn't instaneous and the high profile teams passed on these players, they were committed to what WVU had to offer and WVU could offer them a chance to shine when playing the big boy programs. Also a well run program might attract a big name recruit if the team was a winner and the big name recruit knew they could be a stud from the get go.
Now with instaneous transfers the moment WVU has a player like White, Slaton, Tavon, etc... that bursts to a big half a season or better, bigger programs are going to come sniffing around to plug holes in their team. Add on that the NIL deal that a rich team can offer will pretty much overrun any reservations the player might have about no longer being the big fish in a little pond and it's all but guaranteed at least some of the guys WVU might build a 2007 or 1988 like team around will be gone.
Neither NILs or instantaneous transfers are good for WVU. I'd argue that the instaneous transfer is the bigger threat. However combining those 2 things pretty much kills the already outside chance WVU or any teams like WVU have from ever really competing.
Do you think a duo like Grier and Sills, a well known duo heading into their final season, who would have gotten pretty much the max NIL deal a community like WVU’s could offer, would have left? I think not, and the reasons are they had a good chemistry with the staff, we’re being maxed out in terms of potential for stats/exposure to NFL and were the unquestioned big men on campus. The reason we are bleeding our good players right now is because we have a bad coach who by nearly all accounts is not building a good culture, is losing, and is going to be run out once it makes financial sense to do so. It’s really bad timing to have a bad hire, because it is unknown how quickly the tide can be turned during the new era of the game.
Who cares about these sagging jock straps? Most have been pampered and passed through life because they can bounce a ball...throw a ball...or catch a ball. Big fing deal. Most will end up on government assistance. Same goes for suckups like wvu2010. They ste not important in any way.
Lmao, you are bootlicking the biggest cocksuckers on the planet, the NCAA, and want to call me a suck up? That’s rich. You guys are a bunch of statist commies advocating for China style compensation for young athletes. You are losers.
That is a very narrow example you are making. But to your point, if a team thinks they have a contender at every position except at QB, then absolutely a big team breaks the NIL bank to nab Grier. Just look at how the NFL operates in that regard. I also think a player like Grier is tempted to go regardless of a better NIL deal if the opportunity to be on a national championship contender exists. So WVU is behind the 8 ball in that both teams could outbid WVU with NIL money or even offer a bit less NIL money in exchange for a higher level of possible achievement as a way of out competing WVU. WVU is assuredly sunk if a team can offer a high percentage CFB playoff contender AND more NIL money.
There are also two things your hypothetical leaves out. First, how about the rest of WVU's 2018 roster when Grier and Sills were seniors? Does WVU keep Yodney Cajuste and Jennings as well? Both of those guys could've been the top at their positions for several lateral teams (in terms of program size, but bigger in terms of community money) like UNC, NC State, etc... You think the WVU community ponies up the money to keep all the parts that were necessary for that teams success? How about Kenny Bigelow, Josh Sills, Marcus Simms, David Long, Kenny Robinson, or Askew-Henry?
Second, how does WVU keep a Will Grier and David Sills long enough to have the chemistry year you are talking about? You think if either of them play at a good level as redshirt/true freshmen and sophomores that they won't have others in their ear? Maybe there is a core group of players that don't look good enough to tempt schools with bigger prestige and NILs than WVU that have a revelation all at once and all in their Junior or Senior year for a magical season at WVU. But that is highly unlikely.
I am not defending Brown by any stretch. That being said, if you think that the NIL and an instant transfer process doesn't significantly hurt WVU's chances of building teams with an outside shot at the NC compared to before you are blind to the truth.
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You just proved my low opinion of you to be spot on lol. You are a whiny little never played a sport libtard fresh out of ***** Willow High with a star struck view of the world and a jock sniffing obsession.
Re: Grier, while I won’t act like it’s impossible, it would have needed to be an insane offer for Grier to consider bailing on his senior season. He was teed up in an offense he was comfortable with to be drafted highly and compete for a Heisman, and conference title on top of whatever NIL money a flagship university with 200,000 alumni could pony up in this hypothetical scenario.
Re: other players, particularly a non glamour position like OT, I would think that whatever NIL extra money they could dig up is not worth losing their spot on a highly competitive team with their career trending towards NFL, but again, I won’t guarantee that they wouldn’t, as everyone’s situation is different. However you also need to acknowledge that it works both ways, and we are also capable of targeting lesser programs/programs in turmoil for their better players, if we lost Cajuste because we were outbid by $25k, there are plenty of G5 guys who we could target.
It’s funny you bring up UNC, because if ordering up a national title is as simple as ordering an Uber to get the best players to line up, then UNC or Texas should have no problem taking all of Bama’s players. After all, they have more prominent alumni and represent more prominent states.
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I am saying a QB is more marketable than an OL, hence OL would command a lot less on the NIL market, keep up dumb dumb.
So in your middle school dropout world you believe that any member of an offensive line is worth less than a QB?
I mean, you can look up what the NFL pays QBs vs what they pay linemen yourself, as well as compare how many linemen are in commercials vs QBs. Good God you really do like being dunked on don’t you?
So you determine the value of a player based on how many commercials he appears in? What about a coach...economics professor...cafeteria worker lol?
I am talking in terms of NIL deals. I don’t see any linemen getting $1m NIL deals to not take a snap at Ohio State. I don’t see the NFL giving half billion dollar deals to linemen. I don’t see mediocre NFL linemen getting the ridiculous amount of commercials a mediocre QB like Baker Mayfield gets.
So then...you don't see any value in a lineman...you do judge players by the number of commercials they appear in...and you also don't understand the game either. Given that...why should any forum poster respect you?
I literally said none of that, but keep inventing arguments you think you can win.
A QB’s market professionally as well as through NIL is unquestionably hotter than a lineman’s. What are you gonna say next, kickers are people too? Lol effing assclown.
Unquestionably huh. Absolutely? Positively? Spot on? Without a doubt? Self evident? Scientifically certified? Biden and Harris talking point?
NFL LT salaries
NFL QB salaries
So the highest paid LT would be the 16th highest paid starting QB… yea dumbass the QB is worth more to a team/organization or an advertiser than a lineman as determined by a free market.
Also put the Biden card back, when you stop advocating for a closed market and restricted freedoms you can have your RNC membership back.