So you see college football as the same as the NFL? You do understand the difference between the mission of a college/university and the business model of a professional team don't you? And I notice you didn't disagree with the Biden, Harris reference. Do you carry cue cards as well?NFL LT salaries
NFL QB salaries
Also put the Biden card back, when you stop advocating for a closed market and restricted freedoms you can have your RNC membership back.
So you see college football as the same as the NFL? You do understand the difference between the mission of a college/university and the business model of a professional team don't you? And I notice you didn't disagree with the Biden, Harris reference. Do you carry cue guards as well?
So were you ever a student...beyond third grade that is? Did you ever play football...other than on your brother's xbox? Do you understand the job of an offensive lineman? Go ahead and Google a response so you don't continue to embarrass yourself...like your idols Slobbering Joe and Cackling Kamala.
Were my questions too complicated for you? Are your comprehension issues returning?Again, inventing arguments. Yes, a QB can’t succeed without its OL, just like an OL can’t succeed without a QB, and a RB can’t succeed without the latter, and an elite defense can’t succeed if the offense doesn’t score etc etc etc. But some positions affect the odds of winning and losing more than others, and a QB is that position, as well as almost always the most recognizable face on a team, therefore making them the most marketable.
I wouldn’t reveal anything about myself to a creature like you other than you would absolutely be humbled by basically all aspects of my life, and I care to know absolutely nothing about whatever rock you crawled out of. I just enjoy shitting on you and your warped entitlement of what believe people should be allowed to do with their own likeness and where they choose to attend school.
Were my questions too complicated for you? Are your comprehension issues returning?
So you are a wannabe in life? I understand...your hollow opinions are a reflection of your basement viewpoint.I said not revealing anything personal to you dumbass, try to keep up [roll]
So you are a wannabe in life? I understand...your hollow opinions are a reflection of your basement viewpoint.
Re: Grier, while I won’t act like it’s impossible, it would have needed to be an insane offer for Grier to consider bailing on his senior season. He was teed up in an offense he was comfortable with to be drafted highly and compete for a Heisman, and conference title on top of whatever NIL money a flagship university with 200,000 alumni could pony up in this hypothetical scenario.
Re: other players, particularly a non glamour position like OT, I would think that whatever NIL extra money they could dig up is not worth losing their spot on a highly competitive team with their career trending towards NFL, but again, I won’t guarantee that they wouldn’t, as everyone’s situation is different. However you also need to acknowledge that it works both ways, and we are also capable of targeting lesser programs/programs in turmoil for their better players, if we lost Cajuste because we were outbid by $25k, there are plenty of G5 guys who we could target.
It’s funny you bring up UNC, because if ordering up a national title is as simple as ordering an Uber to get the best players to line up, then UNC or Texas should have no problem taking all of Bama’s players. After all, they have more prominent alumni and represent more prominent states.
You are aware that there is no cap on NIL money like salary caps in the NFL? Texas could likely generate enough NIL's for its starters and still create an NIL for its back-up QB better than the best WVU could offer.NFL LT salaries
NFL QB salaries
So the highest paid LT would be the 16th highest paid starting QB… yea dumbass the QB is worth more to a team/organization or an advertiser than a lineman as determined by a free market.
Also put the Biden card back, when you stop advocating for a closed market and restricted freedoms you can have your RNC membership back.
Lmao, you are bootlicking the biggest cocksuckers on the planet, the NCAA, and want to call me a suck up? That’s rich. You guys are a bunch of statist commies advocating for China style compensation for young athletes. You are losers.
1. You can not truly think that if a team like USC, Clemson, Georgia, Oregon, Notre Dame, Ohio State, etc... had come calling to Grier he wouldn't be at least tempted. And again you dismiss the point that at least some of those core players on that WVU team in 2018 wouldn't have been likely been lured away if they were given multiple offers across the seasons leading up to 2018. Not all would resist.
2. NFL knows to pay a quality lineman and college teams will as well. Sure maybe not as much as a QB, but enough to still be willing to pony up some dough to protect that QB.
3. You seem to keep talking like Cajuste and Grier were on some shoe in CFB playoff team. The 2018 Mountaineers certainly had potential, but there were at least 25 other teams in as good or better situations than WVU leading into that year. Plenty of teams that year could've offered a better team and better pay than WVU could on its best day.
4. Sure WVU can poach lesser programs. That is the problem I am pointing out and you are side stepping. The NIL and ease of transfers will create a tiered system. The teams with the most money AND prestige will pretty much get to pick their players even more than they currently do in recruiting while teams like WVU collect their scraps and poach whatever talent from the ECU's of the world that do not want to go to other programs similar to WVU.
5. Bama as a sports program with its fan base is every bit as competitive in generating money for NIL as teams like Texas and Ohio State. I mentioned UNC because while they may only have a portion of the fan base as WVU, those fans live in an area with a lot more businesses with the cash to use players as advertising tools to those fans. WVU fans are spread far and wide.
You are aware that there is no cap on NIL money like salary caps in the NFL? Texas could likely generate enough NIL's for its starters and still create an NIL for its back-up QB better than the best WVU could offer.
Glad I’m the last thing you think about before bed and the first when you wake up. #rentfreeFolks stop trying to communicate with real world logic to wvu2010, "it's " incapable of processing rational thinking. Sad really. The institution shouldn't have granted that furlough.
I am not opposed to the NIL. I am opposed to the NIL AND the ability to transfer at a moment's notice. These two factors make it worse than the NFL in that commitments to college teams are less binding than NFL contracts and free agency. I'd much rather have the NIL than freely transferring players for not only WVU's sake, but for the sake of keeping college football from just becoming more and more the NFL lite. I still think transfers for no cause should incur a lost year with some exceptions.
I think graduation transfer should still have an exemption.
I think a coaching change should give all players in the program an exemption. This extends to the year after the new coach's hire. As in a player could transfer in the offseason after their previous coach was fired/retired/resigned OR in the offseason after the new coaching staff's first year in case they didn't fit with the new crew.
I think if a program receives NCAA punishment preventing post season play that players should be allowed to transfer freely from that program. Except perhaps for any players that were involved in the violations that led to such sanctions. I see room for nuance here. If the player received inappropriate contact from boosters/coaches or participated in unsanctioned practices, then I'm for giving that player a break. If the player obviously was engaged in violative behavior like going to program sponsored hooker party, then they sleep in the bed they made.
I'd even be willing to compromise and say there should be 1 free transfer for any reason as long as the player spent at least 2 years in the program they committed to when entering the NCAA regardless of if those years did or didn't count toward eligibility. So even if a player spent those 2 years as a redshirt and then medical redshirt, it would count. Obvious exception would be players directly involved in NCAA violations.
1. Again, not saying it wouldn’t be possible, just saying it would have needed to be one hell of an offer to pull Grier off the roster.
2. Given the OL unit consists of 5 players and the QB is 1, without even getting into rotations and depth, I still don’t think we would see a scenario where a single OL is going for 6 figures, let alone 1-8 mil, we will see though.
3. If this were true, we wouldn’t see the 5 best QBs in the upcoming draft from Pitt, Liberty, UNC, Ole Miss, and Cincinnati. They would be Bama, Texas, LSU, UGA, tOSU.
4. It has been a tiered system for its entire existence, not much is changing. A quick Google search has the average NIL deal worth $2728, with a few hefty deals that cause Root and Allen to lose their ****, dramatically pulling up that average. I think you all are overestimating the market.
5. Bottom line, it comes down to how much a fanbase wants to creatively funnel its money to players, and that is what it will be unless the NCAA wants to collectively bargain with its players like every other league in the country. The NFL has a free agency period, with a salary cap because it was collectively bargained with its players. The NCAA does not because they are incompetent morons that didn’t have a plan in place in the event they weren’t able to uphold their indentured servant model. They shouldn’t have shot down the Northwestern kid’s attempt to unionize.
The NIL is in its infancy and free transfers whenever/wherever is only 5 or so years old. Wait 5 more years and see if WVU can bring along 2 classes of players into upperclassmen status without the best being poached or the whole class turning out to only be so-so. The system is already tiered, but the point is that NILs along with freedom of transfers will only more solidify the tiers of FBS. Thus a Boise State, WVU, UCF, Cincinnati, etc... making a magical run will become even less likely moving forward.
Before the blue blood schools got their pick of recruits and JUCO's. If they missed on a Slaton or Tavon, they were out of luck on those guys. Now every year those blue bloods can dump their recruiting misses into the transfer portal while still having a good shot at landing the recruits from lower schools that turned out to be good.
Not to mention lateral moves from WVU to other schools on the same level. Example, say a QB really wants to go to Kentucky because say it is his hometown or his parents are alums. But he sees a guy with 4 years of eligibility that looks like a Geno Smith ahead of him at UK. So he settles for WVU because he doesn't want to risk only maybe starting one year. Well if that incumbent UK QB gets poached, irreparably hurt or leaves early for the NFL and UK comes calling on the guy WVU is building around, there is nothing keeping him from heading out. Sure it could work in the reverse, but by sheer statistics a scenario like the one above is the more likely to happen given the small population of WV and the spread of all it's fans.
Your examples of the top QB's being from minor schools and Texas with Sarkisian is not even one full year into the buying of college athletes with freedom to move. I will say that undoubtedly a bad coach can **** up the most ideal NIL laden and prestigious program. However, even a great coach will have difficulty at WVU if they cannot rely on building the roster from the ground up. Hard to see how the age of the NIL and free transfers doesn't hurt any team outside of those considered traditional powers, those with fans concentrated in a surrounding community with money (since NIL deals do not come directly from the schools), and those that compete in the 2 mega conferences.
Wvu2010 says there are five guys on an offensive line. Well no...must be seven. Guess he doesn't count the ends. Can't make up his stupidity.
So you admit that either you can't count or lack even rudimentary knowledge of football?The masochist who masquerades as a Republican that spends his time posting about players he wants to force into a communist system is back! Everyone please give this maverick a round of applause!
The NIL is in its infancy and free transfers whenever/wherever is only 5 or so years old. Wait 5 more years and see if WVU can bring along 2 classes of players into upperclassmen status without the best being poached or the whole class turning out to only be so-so. The system is already tiered, but the point is that NILs along with freedom of transfers will only more solidify the tiers of FBS. Thus a Boise State, WVU, UCF, Cincinnati, etc... making a magical run will become even less likely moving forward.
Before the blue blood schools got their pick of recruits and JUCO's. If they missed on a Slaton or Tavon, they were out of luck on those guys. Now every year those blue bloods can dump their recruiting misses into the transfer portal while still having a good shot at landing the recruits from lower schools that turned out to be good.
Not to mention lateral moves from WVU to other schools on the same level. Example, say a QB really wants to go to Kentucky because say it is his hometown or his parents are alums. But he sees a guy with 4 years of eligibility that looks like a Geno Smith ahead of him at UK. So he settles for WVU because he doesn't want to risk only maybe starting one year. Well if that incumbent UK QB gets poached, irreparably hurt or leaves early for the NFL and UK comes calling on the guy WVU is building around, there is nothing keeping him from heading out. Sure it could work in the reverse, but by sheer statistics a scenario like the one above is the more likely to happen given the small population of WV and the spread of all it's fans.
Your examples of the top QB's being from minor schools and Texas with Sarkisian is not even one full year into the buying of college athletes with freedom to move. I will say that undoubtedly a bad coach can **** up the most ideal NIL laden and prestigious program. However, even a great coach will have difficulty at WVU if they cannot rely on building the roster from the ground up. Hard to see how the age of the NIL and free transfers doesn't hurt any team outside of those considered traditional powers, those with fans concentrated in a surrounding community with money (since NIL deals do not come directly from the schools), and those that compete in the 2 mega conferences.
So you admit that either you can't count or lack even rudimentary knowledge of football?
When called out for your hollow opinions and blowhard posts you like to hold your breath, turn red in your face, and frantically wave your arms don't you?Im at the point where I spend like .5 seconds on whatever you post, so cuck on commie ******, I’ve got nothing else for you.
When called out for your hollow opinions and blowhard posts you like to hold your breath, turn red in your face, and frantically wave your arms don't you?
You don't understand the economic reality and the phase of the NIL we are currently in. You can use the pitt and cincy examples all you want but those programs are not going to maintain the level of play they saw last year. Each year that goes by the effects of the NIL will become more pronounced. You can point out all the players that cincy had at the combine but if they were returning to college some would probably be leaving to play for someone else. One of Cincy's top DLine prospects is now on wvu's roster. You can blame the coach and the AD all you want but now coach's need real money to compete not monopoly money.Fear - WVU will be worse off in the NIL setup than the previous setup that allowed WVU 1 contending team per decade. We need to protect our roster 24/7 while the elite of CFB swarm like vultures waiting to pick off the next elite WVU player to emerge.
Reality - year 1 of NIL yields the first ever G5 playoff team, along with 8 UC players invited to the NFL combine. The average NIL deal is worth $2728… I know @Rootmaster would uproot his life for that kind of scratch, however I don’t think college athletes would for that alone. While elite CFB programs are looking at our players, we are also looking at the ones that don’t make it on the field regularly from those programs. If we had a coaching staff worth a ****, we would be leaning into the new dynamic instead of cucking to it and waving the white flag like @WVUALLEN and @Rootmaster
I knew a guy who was an NFL scout for the Arizona Cardinals. Left Tackle is one of the most sought out positions of NFL teams. It's the player most responsible for protecting the QB's blind spot.So then...you don't see any value in a lineman...you do judge players by the number of commercials they appear in...and you also don't understand the game either. Given that...why should any forum poster respect you?
You don't understand the economic reality and the phase of the NIL we are currently in. You can use the pitt and cincy examples all you want but those programs are not going to maintain the level of play they saw last year. Each year that goes by the effects of the NIL will become more pronounced. You can point out all the players that cincy had at the combine but if they were returning to college some would probably be leaving to play for someone else. One of Cincy's top DLine prospects is now on wvu's roster. You can blame the coach and the AD all you want but now coach's need real money to compete not monopoly money.
I knew a guy who was an NFL scout for the Arizona Cardinals. Left Tackle is one of the most sought out positions of NFL teams. It's the player most responsible for protecting the QB's blind spot.
Yes but the Left Tackle along with the rest of the O line keeps the qb alive. The blue bloods are still going to pay for the best lineman if they can plug up a hole. If they can't block they can't protect there valuable QB.No ****, but the reality is the best LT would be the 16th highest paid QB.
Yes but the NIL will make it more difficult. You're not comprehending that its not fully integrated yet.It was always extremely rare for a program to maintain a high level of play following an atypically high rise to prominence. Any rise needs to follow with a commitment to keeping the coach, as well as players. That is the case whether NIL is in play or not. The Cincy player you are referring to played zero snaps on last year’s team, we have no idea what we are getting.
Yes but the Left Tackle along with the rest of the O line keeps the qb alive. The blue bloods are still going to pay for the best lineman if they can plug up a hole. If they can't block they can't protect there valuable QB.
Yes but the NIL will make it more difficult. You're not comprehending that its not fully integrated yet.
Blowhard. Know nothing. Wvu2010No ****, but the reality is the best LT would be the 16th highest paid QB.