What a damn joke.

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Notre Dame by any measure is in the top half of teams selected for the playoff. Vegas had them in the top four odds on favorites to win it all. They are a very good team right now, this is rank corruption.
Good Lord dude. Top half? Meaning top 6???
All the top 6 seeds have better records than ND. All 6 have better strengths of schedule. All 6 have better strengths of record. All have more wins over ranked teams. Literally no measure says ND is better than ANY of those 6 teams.

I don't give a damn what vegas odds say. Those odds are based on mathematical algorithms to generate the most money for the casinos. They dont exist to predict outcomes or to determine which teams are most deserving of a playoff spot. They exist to maximize profit for the casinos. That's all. That's why lines move throughout the week for games. It's the casino just adjusting their risk.
 

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They're not a 3 or 4 seed, but they're clearly one of the Top 10 teams in the country and capable of winning it all.

Those kind of teams aren't supposed to be left out of a 17'n 12 team playoff.
I never argued they weren't. In fact, I said verbatim it was fine to argue for them ahead of Alabama (top 10). My response was point out it's moronic to think ND deserves a top 3 or 4 seed that OP claims is justly due.
 
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I never argued they weren't. In fact, I said verbatim it was fine to argue for them ahead of Alabama (top 10). My response was point out it's moronic to think ND deserves a top 3 or 4 seed that OP claims is justly due.

I wasn't arguing with you, just used your comment as a jumping off point for my rant.

I'm not a ND fan, but I'd like to see them in the playoffs and they should be there.
 

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3 loss bama got beat by 14 by 5-7 Florida state And still gets in. just as a fan I think ND could beat any team in the field and is probably #3#4 seed. This is corrupt as hell.
To me bama shouldn't have been and neither should Miami. Notre dame needs to join a conference and stop bitchin.

To me acc should have had no teams in it at all. Miami should have been left out. If your conf champ doesn't make it then none of the teams should in my logic. Conference champ was 8-5.

All these rematches suck too.
Notre Dame has been rewarded way too many times for no reason, they need to join a conference or be left out of everything.
 

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Notre Dame has been rewarded way too many times for no reason, they need to join a conference or be left out of everything.
Rewarded in the past has nothing to do with this season. The sheep repeating the join a conference mantra are just doing the networks bidding. ESPN would love to have funding rights over ND games. Thats not what this is about
 
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Who are you thinking the 3rd or 4th best team is?

Edit: I see you think ND is 3 or 4, did your Mom take healthy doses of Tylenol during her pregnancy?
So who are you ranking above ND ? IU OSU anmaybe Tech. It sure as hell isn’t Bama
 
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My Q is, how are teams 13 - 25 selected? Looks like N Dame would have at least dropped to #15, 16, or whatever. Do they go to a bowl game? Just curious, cause I don't like ND at all.
 

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Point taken, but it’s a committee. By definition it’s collusion. That’s the point of having a committee. No matter what you do as long as it’s a poll, writers, ADs, 3rd grade boys on the playground, it doesn’t matter, you will have controversy. Until it’s just win loss on the field in a standardized schedule this is what you have. A ******** system.

Bullcrap. The mere existence of a committee does not imply collusion.

Collusion = advanced planning and conspiracy by bad actors to ensure that a certain outcome will occur….regardless of the various individual unknown future results that should determine the outcome. The desired outcome is thus controlled by outside influences with selfish intent.

In this case, the desired outcome was to ensure all four of the largest conferences had at least one representative in the College Football Playoff. The actual individual results dictated that one of those four conferences did not have a deserving representative. The champion of the conference didn’t even get in.

The conspiracy was that the bad actors on the committee were being influenced by ACC interests to make sure that there would be a team taken from their league. So they started a gradual “ascension plan” weeks ago to artificially raise Miami’s profile….in a worst case scenario of an undeserving ACC champ. Their own terrible scheduling model made this undeserving champ scenario not only possible, but likely after Miami’s 2nd loss, because Miami was the the only potentially viable candidate from the league. The secondary benefit was that they could also keep Vandy out by bumping Miami ahead of them, thus ensuring that there’d be no more than 5 SEC teams.

It’s blatantly obvious outside influence, and manipulation for the sake of the almighty dollar. Again. Just copy/paste this for every single problem in all of college football. It’s all the same crap, over and over again.
 

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Are some of you REALLY arguing that leaving 17ING NOTRE DAME out was some form of corruption? They have the most power of anybody in the country. Even Bama.

They notoriously get the benefit of the doubt. Is it right this year? Eh, no, probably not. I don’t like using H2H because not everybody plays. But shlt happens, and neither one can realistically win this playoff. So who cares.
Notre Dame has power and influence, but nowhere close to as much as the entire Atlantic Coast Conference.
 
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Huh? I mean it is, but can you really argue much with the 12 they round up with? I’d Personally put Notre dame in over Alabama. But it’s close. Who really cares?
I believe they would have but the "we won't punish you if you play in a championship game" came into play
 
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Bullcrap. The mere existence of a committee does not imply collusion.

Collusion = advanced planning and conspiracy by bad actors to ensure that a certain outcome will occur….regardless of the various individual unknown future results that should determine the outcome. The desired outcome is thus controlled by outside influences with selfish intent.

In this case, the desired outcome was to ensure all four of the largest conferences had at least one representative in the College Football Playoff. The actual individual results dictated that one of those four conferences did not have a deserving representative. The champion of the conference didn’t even get in.

The conspiracy was that the bad actors on the committee were being influenced by ACC interests to make sure that there would be a team taken from their league. So they started a gradual “ascension plan” weeks ago to artificially raise Miami’s profile….in a worst case scenario of an undeserving ACC champ. Their own terrible scheduling model made this undeserving champ scenario not only possible, but likely after Miami’s 2nd loss, because Miami was the the only potentially viable candidate from the league. The secondary benefit was that they could also keep Vandy out by bumping Miami ahead of them, thus ensuring that there’d be no more than 5 SEC teams.

It’s blatantly obvious outside influence, and manipulation for the sake of the almighty dollar. Again. Just copy/paste this for every single problem in all of college football. It’s all the same crap, over and over again.
Not reading all that. What do you think a committee is?
 

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The problem with bama is the committee does not want to punish the conference championship game…. Or rather espn does not want to have the championship games go away. But we all have eyes and saw Bama get pounded yesterday.

I don't see anything stopping a uga/bama rubber-match.
 

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Good Lord dude. Top half? Meaning top 6???
All the top 6 seeds have better records than ND. All 6 have better strengths of schedule. All 6 have better strengths of record. All have more wins over ranked teams. Literally no measure says ND is better than ANY of those 6 teams.

I don't give a damn what vegas odds say. Those odds are based on mathematical algorithms to generate the most money for the casinos. They dont exist to predict outcomes or to determine which teams are most deserving of a playoff spot. They exist to maximize profit for the casinos. That's all. That's why lines move throughout the week for games. It's the casino just adjusting their risk.
You don’t understand Vegas odds for the championship, clearly. So what teams would be favored over ND on a neutral field other than Ohio state Indiana maybe Texas tech maybe Georgia. Sure as hell not ole Miss bama or Oklahoma
 
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Notre Dame has power and influence, but nowhere close to as much as the entire Atlantic Coast Conference.
Notre Dame not being in a conference really means not being owned by a network to the extent the sec big and acc are. That really may be what’s behind part of this. It also explains the social media mantra of join a conference, which gets parroted by people who don’t know what that means. ESPN literally owns and runs the sec.
 
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Notre Dame not being in a conference really means not being owned by a network to the extent the sec big and acc are. That really may be what’s behind part of this. It also explains the social media mantra of join a conference, which gets parroted by people who don’t know what that means. ESPN literally owns and runs the sec.
ND literally has its own network.
 

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Notre Dame not being in a conference really means not being owned by a network to the extent the sec big and acc are. That really may be what’s behind part of this. It also explains the social media mantra of join a conference, which gets parroted by people who don’t know what that means. ESPN literally owns and runs the sec.
Notre Dame can do what they want to. But what they can’t do is not have a conference championship game to play in & then complain they got left out with 2 losses in favor of another 2-loss team that beat them.
 
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Notre Dame has power and influence, but nowhere close to as much as the entire Atlantic Coast Conference.
I think you guys are overthinking this. Committee just took the easy route which was head to head (which has never been a precedent in college football, see FSU/ND 1993 and on). So I do agree with you on what was right - which was ND. I just don’t think it was an ACC conspiracy. It certainly helped that they got an ACC team in, but if ND and Miami had not played, ND was getting in.

Now what’s going to happen, is that teams are going to quit playing these big OOC matchups. No incentive to do so. Though ND and Miami was mandated by their agreement with the ACC.
 

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Not reading all that. What do you think a committee is?
A committee is a group of humans in a room tasked with planning an activity or executing a complex objective. That’s all it is.

If you’re too lazy to read a few paragraphs, you’d probably really not be into actually picking up an entire dictionary to look up the actual definition of “collusion”, so….here it is:

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Now, its your turn to say why secret and/or illegal cooperation or conspiracy with intent to cheat or deceive others is something that is standard operating procedure for any committee.
 
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Notre Dame can do what they want to. But what they can’t do is not have a conference championship game to play in & then complain they got left out with 2 losses in favor of another 2-loss team that beat them.
Except the other two loss team that beat them didn’t play in a conference championship game either, so that argument holds no water.

Bottom line - The committee gerrymandered the rankings in a blatant and obvious way to create a scenario that the H2H result would matter, IF they needed it to matter. When Duke beat UVA, they decided that they needed it to matter. There was nothing that happened on the field - NOTHING - that would dictate swapping the teams from last week. Period.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about the outcome….whether ND or Miami or even Bama is the least deserving, the process is corrupt as hell and 100% not at all based on the results on the field. This is not up for debate.
 

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Except the other two loss team that beat them didn’t play in a conference championship game either, so that argument holds no water.

Bottom line - The committee gerrymandered the rankings in a blatant and obvious way to create a scenario that the H2H result would matter, IF they needed it to matter. When Duke beat UVA, they decided that they needed it to matter. There was nothing that happened on the field - NOTHING - that would dictate swapping the teams from last week. Period.

Regardless of what anyone thinks about the outcome….whether ND or Miami or even Bama is the least deserving, the process is corrupt as hell and 100% not at all based on the results on the field. This is not up for debate.
I think it’s clear the committee was going to leave Miami out until Duke won. And I would have personally probably put ND in over Bsma. But with their resume, they’ve got no real complaint about being left out.
 

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Again, they’ve been setting this up for weeks, with no justification whatsoever. They jumped Miami over Vandy - for no reason -weeks ago. They kept them ahead of them after Vandy boatraced a Tennessee team that’s better than any team Miami’s played except ND.

Now the most obvious corruption of all, they move Miami ahead of ND when not only did neither of those teams play this past weekend, but no team on either of their schedules played either.

You can say all you want about Miami winning the head to head. But that’s been known for months, and yet ND had been ahead in the rankings for weeks and weeks after Miami added their terrible losses. This is just comical.
It is all about the $. Alabama is the most hated team in college football. People will watch their game pulling for their opponent.
 

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Political lobbying by Miami was ridiculous, and I can’t see any way a 3 loss Bama who loses to by 14 to 5-7 FSU gets in over nd.
the argument by twitter bots “join a conference” for leaving nd out isn’t an argument but a justification for bias and corruption. Im not in any way a ND fan and don’t particularly like their administration but as a college football fan this makes the playoffs a whole lot less interesting.
$$$$
 

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I think it’s clear the committee was going to leave Miami out until Duke won.
Exactly. And that’s totally 17ing unacceptable, corrupt, and unethical, because that game had nothing to do with either team being considered. The committee’s job is to simply select the 12 teams based on transparent and objective published criteria. Their job is not to fill a big conference min/max quota.

Based on the above, I’m personally not willing to entertain any argument of ND or Miami or any other “this team vs. that team for last spot”, because the entire perception of all the teams has been manipulated and artificially shaped by a corrupt and unethical organization. Hell, they couldn’t even get the Top 2 right, when UGA obviously had a clearly better resume than Ohio State. They simply do what they want, placing TV interests and maximized national exposure for the longest period possible over integrity and fairness. I’m just not here for it anymore.
 

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I heard this on Golic and Golic from a guest that they had. He was a college football guy but never really heard of him before. His point, which I think is genius the more I thought about it, there should only be one ranking from the committee. There should not be any previous rankings to put them in the situation that they got in. This way there is no argument that teams moved around after no one plays.
 
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Arguments can and will be made. To me, the most egregious thing was that Bama did not drop after getting pounded by a Top 5 team while BYU dropped a couple of spots after getting pounded by a Top 5 team.
 
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I heard this on Golic and Golic from a guest that they had. He was a college football guy but never really heard of him before. His point, which I think is genius the more I thought about it, there should only be one ranking from the committee. There should not be any previous rankings to put them in the situation that they got in. This way there is no argument that teams moved around after no one plays.
Herbstreit said this too. It’s ridiculous they put out in-season rankings and only undermined their credibility. And generates ratings for ESPN. So it’s easy to see why they throw credibility to the curb.
 
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I heard this on Golic and Golic from a guest that they had. He was a college football guy but never really heard of him before. His point, which I think is genius the more I thought about it, there should only be one ranking from the committee. There should not be any previous rankings to put them in the situation that they got in. This way there is no argument that teams moved around after no one plays.
Terrible logic.

The whole point of the weekly rankings is to provide transparency to the selection process. So when the committee blatantly and obviously does crooked shít like they did today, it’s out in the open and they can be held accountable.

Making them only do the final rankings lets them completely off the hook and solves nothing. It only further enables them to do whatever the hell they want.
 
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a Lot of people see this, they are killing the golden goose. They are destroying every bit of tradition about college football. ESPN will call all the shots and athletic directors are powerless figureheads. Private equity ie) Blackrock made a bid to buy the big ten this year, usc and a couple of schools pushed back….but it’s only a matter of time.
 

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Terrible logic.

The whole point of the weekly rankings is to provide transparency to the selection process. So when the committee blatantly and obviously does crooked shít like they did today, it’s out in the open and they can be held accountable.

Making them only do the final rankings lets them completely off the hook and solves nothing. It only further enables them to do whatever the hell they want.
Was it really "corrupt" to put in a 10-2 Miami team over 10-2 Notre Dame when Miami beat them head to head?

When you have rankings every week, teams get slotted into high ranks early on without really earning it, making it even harder for the teams who didn't have the preseason buzz to break in. All of the polls hate to drop teams unless the lose (except today apparently), even if there is good reason to do so.