Wow. So you just flat out lie about me and my position. Show one post where I’ve claimed that. What a loser. Shouldn’t expect anything less from a leftist. Lying pos. Typical leftist - anyone that disagrees is an uneducated racist right. lol.
What fallout of the Big Beautiful Bill will be the funniest?
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the working class was killing it at the end of his last term. i definitely see how you think this time would be even better.
and they say the southern strategy only worked because you guys are retards.
@tigergray I am appalled that you share that you are worth only a paltry 3 mil or so
The usual TI member far exceeds that and only dates 10 on the hot scale
of course for @johnhugh that would be 10 for the guys for John
Lower individual and corporate taxes across the board, unleashing American energy not green wind scams, getting people to WORK to receive benefits I pay taxes for, greater investment in our military, more investments border security and enforcement. All sound like they would help the economy. Meanwhile libs are crying that 100 million will die. Totally unserious.
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“Unleash American energy”, like outdated coal and oil? While the rest of the world leaves us behind? You’ve got the ceo of one of the most inherently American companies in the country, Ford Motors, publicly acknowledging how China has passed us in EV tech and how long it will take for us to catch up.
Lower individual and corporate taxes while increasing government spending? Sounds like a great plan to me, great way to boost the economy is to cut revenue and increase spending.
Getting people to work for government assistance sounds great until you read that the private sector cut 33,000 jobs last month. So where are these people supposed to work? Do tell
Greater investment in our military. How is this a good thing? Our military budget is already obscene. It doesn’t need any increasing. If anything it needs some budget cuts and some fraud investigation.
Border security and enforcement? Border crossings were down under Biden. Don’t even think about saying you can’t trust the government numbers and then retorting with some government numbers under the current corrupt administration. You don’t get to cherry pick your stats.
Instead of supporting legislation that supports your supposed love of freedom you’re openly supporting the furthering of an authoritative police state with an immigration agency being utilized against citizens.
All the while the US dollar loses its power worldwide and the global economic powers move on from the US as our “leadership” has only proven that we are a bunch of immature dipshits that can’t be trusted.
So if you love all that garbage, then yeah, MAGA around all you want. I for one want to see a strong US lead by example and return to being the envy of the world. Now we’re back to being a laughingstock
Dear idiot, you look silly please stop being moronic and contribute something other than capsized font. Thank you. From everyone.
I think the biggest fallout of this bill is that the new ICE budget is larger than Israel's defense budget
You are obliterating the liberals on TI. Post more. Thanks
You get to own the fact that the largest government police state ever was enacted under this bill. We just spent more on ICE than Israel spends on its military. The government is starting a new citizen database.
Tell me why that was more important than... funding medicare
You're either gullible or one of the useful idiots the left needs. This bill ramps up immigration enforcement, not domestic surveillance of U.S. citizens. A true police state spies on, censors, and imprisons its own people. This bill boosts ICE, which deals with non-citizens, not a secret police force monitoring American life. So calling this the “largest police state ever” is not just wrong... it’s inflammatory.
ICE vs. Israel’s military spending? Misleading without context. Yes, ICE’s multi-year funding exceeds Israel’s annual defense budget... but that’s apples to oranges. Israel just massively increased its military spending to over $46 billion in 2024 due to the war in Gaza.
There’s no verified evidence this bill starts a federal database of U.S. citizens. ICE already maintains data on immigration violators, not law-abiding Americans. Claiming this is a government surveillance program is speculative at best.
If you want to argue we should have spent more on Medicare, that’s fair. But don’t pretend this bill “defunded” it to build a police state. The priorities here are wrong in your eyes... not tyrannical. Conflating border enforcement with oppression of citizens only distracts from the real policy debates.
you seem naive and gullible yourself.
The recent budget bill has allocated over $100 billion in new funding for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), significantly increasing its budget for immigration enforcement and detention operations. This funding is expected to expand ICE's detention capacity and enhance its enforcement capabilities, making it the largest federal law enforcement agency in the U.S.
Yes, the new budget allocates a substantial increase in funding for ICE... roughly $75 billion over 4 years, not $100 billion in one year. And while it expands detention and enforcement, let’s be clear:
- ICE is not the largest federal law enforcement agency. That title still belongs to Customs and Border Protection (CBP)... which has more than 60,000 employees compared to ICE’s roughly 20,000. The FBI and the DEA also remain larger in scope when you consider investigative authority and operations.
- Increased funding ≠ a police state. This is about border and immigration control... not internal spying or authoritarian rule over American citizens. Detaining individuals who are in the country illegally does not equate to suppressing citizens’ freedoms. That’s a massive distinction.
- You’re arguing emotion, not facts. You’re right to question priorities... should this much money go to immigration enforcement vs. healthcare? That’s a valid policy debate. But exaggerating ICE into some dystopian domestic threat doesn’t help the conversation... it derails it.
ICE’s funding increase is real, but it doesn’t make it the “largest agency,” and it certainly doesn’t justify calling the U.S. a “police state.” If your argument is about misplaced spending priorities, make that case honestly... without lying, bending facts or being intentionally misleading.
Something we can agree on for once. Now lets see if we can build beyond that point together...
It was that for sure before Musk bought it. It was a hate filled leftist breeding ground...
Statues of Demonrats you mean? You know the party of slavery, KKK, and Jim Crow?
Strom Thurmond was a democrat until JFK and the northern liberals pushed for civil rights. These southern racists left the democrat party for the Republican one. And thus.... the racists went with them.
Ice is not YET the largest federal law enforcement, but its budget will make it that.
Im not reporting on feelings and its budget will be the largest, and it will hire more folks and detain more folks because thats what the government does when you give it money to do so.
Your numbers are also incorrect
A revised version of Trump's bill was narrowly voted through the Senate on Tuesday. The estimated price tag of the legislation is around $150 billion between now and 2029—an annual average of $37.5 billion, which is higher than the military expenditure of all but 15 countries.
This figure is more than the annual military budget of Italy, which at $30.8 billion, is the world's 16th highest defense spender for this year, according to tracker Global Fire Power.
It is also higher than military spending for Israel ($30 billion), the Netherlands ($27 billion) and Brazil ($26.1 billion).
Different news outlets have broken it down in different ways. The National Immigration Law Center said that ICE's detention budget would increase to $45 billion to build immigration jails for single adults and families, a price tag 13 times more than ICE's 2024 detention budget.
Let’s clear a few things up... because what you’re arguing blends half-truths, projections, and emotional framing into a misleading narrative.
1. “ICE will be the largest law enforcement agency.”
- No, it won’t. Even with increased funding, ICE will not surpass CBP (Customs and Border Protection) in personnel, scope, or enforcement power.
- CBP employs over 60,000 people
- CE currently employs around 20,000
Even with growth, ICE won’t suddenly eclipse agencies like the FBI, DEA, or CBP in size or function. Funding ≠ size. More money doesn’t change the core jurisdiction of the agency.
2. “$150 billion over 4 years proves it’s a police state.”
- The $150 billion isn’t just for ICE detention. It includes a wide range of immigration-related spending: enforcement, legal adjudication, border tech, personnel, detention infrastructure, and contracting costs.- Yes, it’s a huge number. But that does not mean the government is building a police state... it means it’s making immigration enforcement a priority (right or wrong, that’s a policy choice, not authoritarianism).
3. “More than Israel, Italy, Brazil military budgets!”
- True... on paper. But the U.S. is a superpower with 330+ million people, a massive land border, and complex immigration systems. Comparing domestic enforcement funding to national military budgets in smaller countries is apples to oranges. Plus, CBP + ICE + DHS are still dwarfed by the U.S. military, which has an annual budget exceeding $850 billion.4. Bottom Line
You can absolutely argue that this spending is excessive, morally wrong, or a poor use of funds compared to Medicare. But framing it as the "largest" police state ever" is inaccurate, hyperbolic, and undermines real concerns with fear-based rhetoric.
The reality is... yes... immigration enforcement is being supercharged. But ICE is not becoming the FBI, it's not eclipsing CBP, and it's not turning American into a police state (unless you truly have zero clue what a police state actually is). Exaggeration isn't truth... it's just noise.
What you are doing is twisting what I'm saying into these 4 bullet points.
What I want you to understand is more of our tax dollars are going to ICE now than any other single police force. You want to talk about the number of people they hire.... why? ICE agents are doing no knock raids right now across the united states, not at the boarder all over the place. That is a police force and its the largest funded police force now. I don't know what you think you are arguing, you seem to think this isn't a police state and thats your whole point. Lets agree that is a definition debate and go from there.
police state:
- A state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic, and political life of the people, especially by means of a secret police force.
- A nation or state whose government exercises strict and repressive control of the people, by means of police.
- A country that maintains repressive control over the people by means of police (especially secret police).
Remove tax on social security but be a proponent of economic policies that raise annual cost of living by >6,000. Only the wealthy come out ahead in the big beautiful bill
Inflation is down. I thought you claimed to be highly educated???
you do understand the Reps supported civil rights even more than the dems? You also understand Thurmond was the only Dixiecrat that changed party also? The racist have always been and still are on the left....
Do us a favor and go ask the KKK if they vote Democrat...then ask the Proud Boys...and Patriot Front...and the American Freedom party...and Aryan Nations and then report back to us@firegiver I enjoy folks like you who are so TDS they cannot make rational logical discussions work
I am going to enjoy the next decade as the Christain Conservative Common Sense Love America First Folks take totally over and people like you will have to hide out in shame
You mean the diverse group called Proud Boys led by a black Hispanic created to fight back against the racist leftist terrorist group Antifa? Patriot Front (FEDS) the fake so called rightwing group that nobody on the right knows who they are nor would support? You had to be a Dem to be in the KKK. The KKK lynched conservatives for pushing for civil rights. The KKK was started by the Dems for the Dems. No conservatives or Reps owned slaves or was in the KKK...