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Will James

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Detz 3rd and Renfroe 4th tonight.

Rambis let me hear one of your patented Fire Cohenz!!!1!!1!1*
 

cohen#1dawg

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this lineup will take shape this week. by the way is anybody listening? this guy sounds like charlie browns parents!
 

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the more important thing about tonight is that woodruff has a dominant easy pain free outing!!!! he is the difference in national title contender and omaha contenter.
 

AtomicDog001

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I can't imagine what it is like to be your friend in real life...

Friend: "I think I prefer the Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich over Chick-fil-A's spicy chicken sandwich"

Will James: "No... no... no.... It is scientifically proven by Mr. Boyd himself that the Chick-fil-A sandwich has a taste more suitable for the human palate."

Friend: "Well it's just my opinion..."

Will James: "There are no opinions here. Simply facts. You're wrong. I'm right. Stop going to Wendy's."
 

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I have to agree with hypothetical will James here. Comparing Wendy's to CFA?! What are you, a communist?**
 

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No doubt.

The hypothetical Willy J is doing hypothetical friend a great service. 17ing Wendy's over Chikfila? Is he serious!?
 

Railin Jemmye

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Will James I'm starting to agree more and more with you. While I'm not as adamant against ****ing, sometimes I do think Cohen does dumb ****. I won't hide from that.
 

Will James

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Will James I'm starting to agree more and more with you. While I'm not as adamant against ****ing, sometimes I do think Cohen does dumb ****. I won't hide from that.

Welcome aboard Goat.

Many were saved a self indulgent post when Renfroes first AB fell at the warning track. That would have just been the pinnacle.
 

Will James

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That's what I'm 17ing talking about!!!

Damn right Renfroe is our cleanup hitter Engie Cad every other doubter. Believe in Will mutha17in James.
 

Will James

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I feel like I have a little brother now

Its funny how being so right makes everyone else stfu

So now, board, can we agree on Detz in the 3 and Renfroe cleanup? If you just agree with me the first time we wouldn't have to hash things out.
 
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For the record, I never said that this lineup was wrong. I actually agreed with it vs righties. Against lefties I would switch Renfroe and Detz however. But no doubt Detz is our best hitter right now, so he should be in the 3 spot.
 

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For the record, I never said that this lineup was wrong. I actually agreed with it vs righties. Against lefties I would switch Renfroe and Detz however. But no doubt Detz is our best hitter right now, so he should be in the 3 spot.

And I would keep it the same against lefties.

So, final numbers from last night. Detz on base 4 times, Renfroe 4 RBI's.
 

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In my book ...

Will James I'm starting to agree more and more with you. While I'm not as adamant against ****ing, sometimes I do think Cohen does dumb ****. I won't hide from that.

it's called 'agressive offensive baseball.' Hit & run, stealing, crowding the plate, ****ing occasionally, putting pressure on their defense to make the plays. Personally, think that this is a winning combo ... 'agressive' offense coupled with some power and outstanding pitching. No team will duplicate the past 'big inning HR derby' with today's college bats.

And, for the record, I find myself agreeing less & less with Will James.
 

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Nobody ever said Cohen would bat him 3rd...we just said there is no proof that over a season batting him 4th would be more efficient...so he was not proven right yesterday. Some of you people amaze me. Batting him 4th can work well, and so can batting him 3rd when Rea is healthy. Nothing has changed that, so for WJ to act like he was proven right is not accurate. He was saying batting him 3rd would be less efficient over a season. 1 game vs Valley doesnt even fit his own argument.

You guys don't need to let him spin this into some kind of win, ha, go back and read what his original argument was. It cannot be proven right, and definitely wasn't lastnight. I think Hunter can be great in the 3 and 4 hole. I was not proven wrong because I never said either one was fool proof or could even be proven.
 
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Arloguthrie

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Believe in Will mutha17in James.

The debate continues to rage among sociologists regarding why some individuals develop grossly over-inflated egos based upon the perceived merit of their internet posts. The leading theory is that these individuals are attempting to compensate for deficiencies in their non-internet lives. The internet gives them a sense of validation and approval that they can’t get anywhere else.

A second theory–far more controversial but gaining in popularity among many sociologists–is that these individuals are gigantic cock muppets.
 

Will James

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Nobody ever said Cohen would bat him 3rd...we just said there is no proof that over a season batting him 4th would be more efficient...so he was not proven right yesterday. Some of you people amaze me. Batting him 4th can work well, and so can batting him 3rd when Rea is healthy. Nothing has changed that, so for WJ to act like he was proven right is not accurate. He was saying batting him 3rd would be less efficient over a season. 1 game vs Valley doesnt even fit his own argument.

You guys don't need to let him spin this into some kind of win, ha, go back and read what his original argument was. It cannot be proven right, and definitely wasn't lastnight. I think Hunter can be great in the 3 and 4 hole. I was not proven wrong because I never said either one was fool proof or could even be proven.

You try so hard.
 

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Its funny how being so right makes everyone else stfu

So now, board, can we agree on Detz in the 3 and Renfroe cleanup? If you just agree with me the first time we wouldn't have to hash things out.

So, you are pointing to a game vs a right hander -- against Mississippi Valley f'n State -- without Wes Rea in the 5-hole -- as "proof" that your lineup is best? Seriously? This has got to be a joke.

No, no one agrees with you. Everytime you are taken to task over your ridiculous "blend" of philosophies, it is locked. So, people don't feel like arguing about it. Good to see that we could hit off a tee last night though**

Lineup last night:
Frazier - left
Bradford - left
Detz - left
Renfroe - right
Porter - left
Robson - left
Pirtle - switch
Norris - right
Ammirati - switch
So, 2 righties in the entire lineup. Obviously, we had to take a balanced approach against the stud pitching we saw last night and didn't just stack the lineup with lefties**

I'm sure LSU will bring the same thing next week with a lefty starter with a 0.00 ERA(potentially a second one with a 2.84), and 2 more out of the pen with 0.00 and 1.23 ERA's respectively. Yeah, certainly identical circumstantially** Hey, your lineup is best, I'm sure it's what we use in that series**
 

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That's what I'm 17ing talking about!!!

Damn right Renfroe is our cleanup hitter Engie Cad every other doubter. Believe in Will mutha17in James.

You are a joke. I showed that, rather conclusively, yesterday. Unfortunately, it got locked 4 posts in -- for no obvious reason other than to stop the debate that is now being freely allowed to happen in this thread.
 

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I agree with this. When I talk about what I think is the dumb **** Cohen does, it's stuff like not starting Henderson. And putting Tyler Fullerton in the 3 hole. And stealing 3rd with your slowest players. I'm all about attacking the game, as Cohen says. Just don't use a dumb approach, and put your best players on the field.

I think he over thinks certain situations, like the R-L or L-R match-ups. But he's the coach, and he's winning, so I don't ***** too much. But I cannot deny that sometimes that I'm in the stands and will be like, "What in the holy hell is he doing??". The only explanation I can come up with is that he's trying to keep the other team on its toes, by proving that he will literally do ANYTHING at any time.
 
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engie

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Well Goat is coming around*

There's a difference between the bun ting thing -- where you've been right all along even though you have been a consummate jackass about it. The numbers on that are solid -- and were widely discussed and agreed upon here before you came in and made an *** out of yourself...which has more to do with why people argue with you than the actual numbers themselves.

Your lineup philosophy is something else entirely. In fact, they come from entirely different schools of thought -- which makes you nothing but inconsistent and unsure of which path you want to take in overall baseball philosophy. You can't play moneyball -- and hold onto Giambi. You've got to make a decision to lean heavily one way or the other.
 

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What are you even talking about. It's not that complicated Keynes, I want to hit Renfroe 4th. We will score more runs tht way. Frazier, CT, Detz. At least one, hopefully more get on which is their specialty. Then, Renfroe an Rea get them in. It's simple which makes your essay's pointless. Hit Hunter 4th. 99% of the time dont **** with man on 1st no out. There ya go.
 

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What are you even talking about. It's not that complicated Keynes, I want to hit Renfroe 4th. We will score more runs tht way. Frazier, CT, Detz. At least one, hopefully more get on which is their specialty. Then, Renfroe an Rea get them in. It's simple which makes your essay's pointless. Hit Hunter 4th. 99% of the time dont **** with man on 1st no out. There ya go.

Trying to make a complicated equation(so complicated that it hasn't yet been "solved" in the 100+ years of data that has been accumulated) "simple" is a joke at best. There is nothing simple about it if you are actually looking at the big picture -- which you aren't even attempting to do in reality. You are just looking to argue about something petty -- hence "simplifying" something that can't in reality be "simplified".

Show me mathematically that/how we score more runs as a team with Renfroe in the 4-hole...if you can...
 

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Fixed it...

The debate continues to rage among sociologists regarding why some individuals develop grossly over-inflated egos based upon the self perceived merit of their internet posts. The leading theory is that these individuals are attempting to compensate for deficiencies in their non-internet lives. The internet gives them a sense of validation and approval that they can’t get anywhere else.

A second theory–far more controversial but gaining in popularity among many sociologists–is that these individuals are gigantic cock muppets.
 

engie

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So why is Cohen doing it my way. And the American League as a whole.

Link me to Cohen "doing it your way"? Doing what your way?

And "the American League" is doing what exactly?

With Renfroe in the 4-hole
2012 - 76runs 18 games - 4.22rpg - 4.5rpg average --- 0.3rpg below average
2013 - 21runs 4 games - 5.25rpg - 7.6rpg average --- 2.35rpg below average

Yeah, you have "conclusively shown" that this is the best way of doing things**
 
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I want to see the numbers on how reducing the number of at bats by your best all around hitter increases runs over a season. the higher in the order you are the more at ats you get. So batting 3rd you get more at bats, so you get more opportunities for you best hitter to get on base, so you chance of scoring runs goes up.

I know this becasue you showed your work in the ****ing threads. Now prove the batting cleanup argument. with numbers .
 

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I think it's hilarious how his argument changes as do the stats to back it up, to meet his agenda.

In other words...when discussing how different players are hitting at the current moment, he uses the phrase "this means nothing because it's against ****** pitching". And then a few days later he is thumping his chest because our best hitter had a good game against Valley?Incredible.

Also, he has changed his entire argument on the Renfroe thing. Several of us were saying that WHEN REA RETURNED (which he didn't yesterday) we felt that Hunter would be best utilized in the 3 hole. There is absolutely ZERO way of determining if he would be better in the 3 hole or 4 hole over the course of the season, because you can't see both outcomes...we were simply stating that we preferred him in the 3 hole. There is no way for us to be wrong on that statement.

And then genius says we would DEFINITELY be more efficient with him in the 4 hole. What? There's nothing to prove that, and never will be. Then he uses Barry Bonds as a reference, and was proven an idiot because Bonds hit in the 3 hole.....and then uses Renfroes performance in the 4 hole for 1 game against Valley and says he's right? He can't be right on this because there is no right or wrong. Not to mention the competition and the fact that Rea was out. And Cohen starting him in the 4 hole means nothing, bc nobody said he wouldn't.

Besides, who's to say Renfroe wouldn't have had an even bigger game yesterday if he was in the 3 hole? Nobody can say that for a fact. See where his argument is ridiculous.

He's a total douche that is spinning this like he's proving something that cannot be proven. And the worst part about it, is that we have multiple idiots on this board that are buying it. Hilarious.
 
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I think it's hilarious how his argument changes as do the stats to back it up, to meet his agenda.

In other words...when discussing how different players are hitting at the current moment, he uses the phrase "this means nothing because it's against ****** pitching". And then a few days later he is thumping his chest because our best hitter had a good game against Valley?Incredible.

Also, he has changed his entire argument on the Renfroe thing. Several of us were saying that WHEN REA RETURNED (which he didn't yesterday) we felt that Hunter would be best utilized in the 3 hole. There is absolutely ZERO way of determining if he would be better in the 3 hole or 4 hole over the course of the season, because you can't see both outcomes...we were simply stating that we preferred him in the 3 hole. There is no way for us to be wrong on that statement.

And then genius says we would DEFINITELY be more efficient with him in the 4 hole. What? There's nothing to prove that, and never will be. Then he uses Barry Bonds as a reference, and was proven an idiot because Bonds hit in the 3 hole.....and then uses Renfroes performance in the 4 hole for 1 game against Valley and says he's right? He can't be right on this because there is no right or wrong. Not to mention the competition and the fact that Rea was out. And Cohen starting him in the 4 hole means nothing, bc nobody said he wouldn't.

Besides, who's to say Renfroe wouldn't have had an even bigger game yesterday if he was in the 3 hole? Nobody can say that for a fact. See where his argument is ridiculous.

He's a total douche that is spinning this like he's proving something that cannot be proven. And the worst part about it, is that we have multiple idiots on this board that are buying it. Hilarious.


Also, we have multiple posters - I won't call them idiots - who continue to engage him and argue with him.
 

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Also, we have multiple posters - I won't call them idiots - who continue to engage him and argue with him.

Touche, but when he hijacks every "opinion" thread with an opinion of his own that he claims as doctrine....it is hard to get away from the little turd.

Point taken though.
 

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I want to see the numbers on how reducing the number of at bats by your best all around hitter increases runs over a season. the higher in the order you are the more at ats you get. So batting 3rd you get more at bats, so you get more opportunities for you best hitter to get on base, so you chance of scoring runs goes up.

I know this becasue you showed your work in the ****ing threads. Now prove the batting cleanup argument. with numbers .

This is by far the dumbest one yet! Let's lead Renfroe off then so he gets the most AB's!!!

He's our best hitter with POWER, guy. Our best guys getting on base are hitting in front of him. He puts the runs on the board dummy with his all around hitting and POWER. I can't believe I have to explain this to you yokels.

We don't have a exponentially worse hitter in our lineup like the NL. Graveman and Lindgren ain't up there swinging a bat. Which is why I looked at the AL where the 4 hole had the highest Slugging last year. They drive in runs with XBH. Just like Renfroe will do all year from the FOUR HOLE.

Id love to see some of you peoples attempts at a lineup. Remember I'm the guy that called Detz preseason and called his insertion into the 3 spot before Cohen agreed. I called Renfroe in the 4 hole and Cohen agreed. I called out ****ing and we have done it WAY less this year. Only 3 man on first no out ****s in the last 35 man on first no out chances. Last year we did it around 30% of the time. Significant improvement. And yet now when Cohen agrees with me the past "Cohen does no wrong" crowd can't stand it. Hilarious.
 
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