What is Cohen thinking?!
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Still no numbers. Just name calling. Great debate tactic. I was not saying bat him first, but other than the 1st inning the leadoff batter does not bat first. This is not T-ball.
So again, how does batting our best POWER guy more (i.e., higher in the lineup) not equate to more runs... does him not batting offset the chances for him to score from 2nd or 3rd (power) with a base hit (by one of those other great on base guys batting in front of him now)?
So again, how does batting our best POWER guy more (i.e., higher in the lineup) not equate to more runs... does him not batting offset the chances for him to score from 2nd or 3rd (power) with a base hit (by one of those other great on base guys batting in front of him now)?
Yet, Renfroe has never led us in slugging -- and he likely won't this year either. So, basically, you are just throwing **** against the wall with a preconceived notion and trying to make the "facts" fit that notion. So, if we are following the "AL Model" as you consistently assert in "proving that you right", Wes Rea is our 4-hole hitter.
2012:
Rea - 16 doubles, 5 homers, 41rbi -- slugging .392
Renfroe - 16 doubles, 4 homers, 25rbi -- slugging .374
Rea is currently slugging at a higher clip this year as well in a limited sample size.
Game, Set, Match.
The rest of your incoherent babbling about being right? Yeah, "Cohen has agreed" alright -- to the tune of Renfroe hitting in the 4-hole 1/8 of his career games here... and Detz hitting in the 3-hole 1/5 of his career games here. Will James -- baseball genius!!1!1
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You want the guys that get on base to hit before him every time in the lineup. The first is the only inning you control completely. It's a fact that more runs are scored in the 1st than any other inning. I say put our top 3 on base guys (who have limited power) ahead of our top slugging guy because that will maximize our 1st inning, and give Renfroe better chances to hit with people on base which is what we want him doing. This is so simple.
So, Renfroe should be the 5-hole hitter in "Will James 100% optimized baseball" then... since he's our #2 slugging guy. Or are you talking in circles and arguing against yourself again?
I'm not reading this thread but I'll put in my 2 cents. If I'm a manager I'm putting my best hitter who has power and atleast decent speed 3rd and I'm putting my top RBI guy who has power 4th followed by my next top RBI guy 5th. I want speed and high OBP out of my 1+2 guys and I want my top 3 RBI guys going behind those 2 with the best hitter on the team hitting 3rd unless he has limited power or is dirt slow. I like the cushion that putting him 3rd brings from the front and back. I also like that he is guaranteed to hit in the 1st inning. It's a matter of preference I guess. The Giants bat Posey 4th, the Angels bat Pujols 3rd, the Blue Jays bat Bautista 3rd, the Reds bat Votto 3rd, the Dodgers bat Matt Kemp 3rd and Adrian Gonzalez 4th, the White Sox bat Adam 17ing terrible Dunn 3rd and Paul Konerko 4th, the Brewers bat Ryan Braunnnn 3rd.
What is it with you and picking arguments that have no real answer? You keep trying to prove the unprovable. It's sports brah, they are unpredictable. Stop trying to make them into a math equation and you might find you enjoy them better.
What is it with you and picking arguments that have no real answer? You keep trying to prove the unprovable. It's sports brah, they are unpredictable. Stop trying to make them into a math equation and you might find you enjoy them better.
I love how you used "slugging" again without knowing Engie just busted your balls on that theory. Haha, brilliant. I'm awaiting your spin cycle to get out of this one...should be fun.
ATTENTION! Let's all remember the day where Engie claimed Rea will out slug Renfroe. Bookmark.
Do you think you are convincing anyone with that Engie? Pretty sure most can see the trends Cohen is implementing just because Detz and Renfroe havent hit there the entire season.
I thought you were sharper than that.
Do you think you are convincing anyone with that Engie? Pretty sure most can see the trends Cohen is implementing just because Detz and Renfroe havent hit there the entire season.
I thought you were sharper than that.
Hell of a response 61...very well said. The Will James statue he built of himself is crumbling before our eyes. And it's only a day old.
Bookmark it -- because I haven't "claimed" anything. Statistically, Rea has ALWAYS outslugged Renfroe. Fact. That's all we have at our disposal in this assessment. So, when absolutely all the tangible facts of the past go against your slanted viewpoint, you revert to trying to talk about "expected future production." That's the very definition of grasping at straws.
Unlike you, I'm not trying to "convince" anyone of anything -- other than the fact that you are a blabbering idiot on this topic that should have never talked **** directly to me and forced me to care enough to actually engage and destroy this ridiculousness.
Trends? What trends? Oh, you mean the past 2 games when we faced **** throwing righties? You have bitched about me throwing in a 5-game sample size -- yet you are on a wing and a prayer on this one with a 2 game sample size. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds on this does it?
Sharper than what? From where I'm sitting(and practically everyone else), you've just been taken to school. Your prideful ignorance obviously prevents you from seeing it.
That's where you went wrong.
Any idiot can compile a bunch of statistics. But actually applying them the correct way, takes some work and real knowledge. Nobody.....NOBODY.....is going to say that Rea is a more feared weapon than Renfroe. Seriously, Renfroe is gearing up to be a 1st rounder, and these guys are acting like Rea is a more dangerous hitter than Renfroe.
At the end of the day, I agree. No real rhyme or reason to it. I've seen Cohen put C.T. Bradford in the clean up spot before.
That doesn't make Will James wrong. I personally like the idea of Frazier, Bradford, Detz and Renfroe myself. It is probably the best lineup for this team at this point.
That doesn't make Will James wrong. I personally like the idea of Frazier, Bradford, Detz and Renfroe myself. It is probably the best lineup for this team at this point.
You obviously haven't followed his argument, but I expect no different. WJ was saying batting him in the 3 hole is less efficient than the 4 over a season, which is untrue because it can't be proven. So YES, that DOES make him wrong.
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Haha your done, so this is all you can resort to. A picture of your knees as you kneel below Engie who just made you his beeotch
I agree that he should be in the 4 hole for this team, this season. You have better average hitters in front of him. It's quite simple.
The thing that no one is talking about is how great it is to have players the caliber of Henderson, Norris and Slauter.....batting near the bottom of the lineup.
The thing that no one is talking about is how great it is to have players the caliber of Henderson, Norris and Slauter.....batting near the bottom of the lineup.
So, for the sake of one at bat per game you are willing to reduce the total at bats over a season of your best all around hitter (not best Slugger).
Oh and numbers please. or links. Not hyperbole.
Oh and numbers please. or links. Not hyperbole.
You two make the perfect match.
Stratton was a first rounder. Did he have a better college career than Thigpen and Brantley? How about Maholm? Yeahhhh, I didn't think so.
Anyone but you, obviously, since your attempts at even the most basic logic and reasoning skills commonly crash and burn to a spectacular level on here. That's one reason that you are on name #309420934 while I'm still on #1.
Feel free to link me to anyone on this website that can/does a better job of this than I do. You can't. You don't like the manner in which I use statistics to destroy you, so you ignore them and can only get owned in flame wars -- not actual statistical debates. You keep coming back for more though. You are truly a glutton for punishment.
Yet Rea's ACTUAL production here has been much better in the areas of Will James' interest. Even when he was injured all season last year. MUCH better RBI totals. Better slugging. More homers. Over the entirity of our sample size. But you don't understand statistics such as "career slg" -- so let's conveniently ignore them.
This has got what to do with actual college production?
Stratton was a first rounder. Did he have a better college career than Thigpen and Brantley? How about Maholm? Yeahhhh, I didn't think so.
You need to learn to read. But you won't.
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#1 way to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that someone accepts the fact that they've just been owned. "Virgin Smack" -- hilarious.
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Best Hitters Renfroe and Rea
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I thought you were defending your argument....
Best Hitters Renfroe and Rea
Who's faster? Rea or Renfroe?
I thought you were defending your argument....
Bwahahahahaha
Keep em coming Shelton. I'm enjoying watching James defeat himself.
Like I have said its the difference between 99% and 100% efficiency. With our lineup and lack of power I think it's the difference between 95% and 100% which could mean ballgames. Because of Renfroe's power potential and Detz's lack of (Zero HR last year, only 10 XBH) it's important.
It's between Renfroe and Detz, not Rea... And since Detz has WAY higher OBP and WAY less power that's what makes me so so right with our lineup.
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