What the Hell Is Wrong With Democrats?

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Once upon a time he was your normal insecure con … like some on this board … you know the type that try to bully folks, use homophobic references to do so, and so on. But he’d still try to go back and forth with ideas, and respond directly to what you were saying. Then someone stood up to him during one of his attempted bullying sessions, and the more he tried to fight back, the worse it got for him. He ended up with all sorts of emasculating nicknames (ask @LafayetteBear about that), and was just broken. He cried and peed. Now he trolls relentlessly, and either avoids counterpoints entirely and just keeps repeating himself, or he goes full whataboutism.

It’s sad to see. When was just so fragile under that wannabe tough guy exterior.

LOL.... Says the clown that has been booted off boards a half dozen times.... F'ing clown.
 

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You and [B]@tigres88 clearly don't want a civil society. [/B] You'd rather be self absorbed in your own worldview instead of striving for something better.

Low moral ground. Sad.
I'm curious what exactly in our interaction in this thread makes you think I don't want a civil society? I don't think a far right extremist government in power who is asserting its will on people leads to a "civil society." However, it seems like you do.

I also don't think a "far left extremist government" in power, including anarchy, complete socialism, etc. is a civil society either.

So where is it clear that I have claimed anywhere that I "don't want a civil society?"
 
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I'm curious what exactly in our interaction in this thread makes you think I don't want a civil society? I don't think a far right extremist government in power who is asserting its will on people leads to a "civil society." However, it seems like you do.

I also don't think a "far left extremist government" in power, including anarchy, complete socialism, etc. is a civil society either.

So where is it clear that I have claimed anywhere that I "don't want a civil society?"

This post. You don't even realize it.
 

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I had to chuckle a little at this post. I could have written almost this exact thing about you and your "discussion and exchange ideas" concept. "just answer yes or no" "it's not complicated"

You literally couldn’t have. Because I address what you and others actually say. Just like I am here. You accuse me of something, and I address it and explain that it isn’t true. You misinterpret something and respond to something I didn't actually say or ask, and I take the time to explain why that isn't correct. You fail to answer my question, and I restate it and explain why your response wasn't appropriate. You know, a normal discussion ... at least from my end. Just like here. You would never get this from m.knox any longer ... his response would have just been to ignore your claims and repost some attacking nonsense.

Hey, speaking of people unable to have a basic exchanges of ideas ... I've now asked you questions, multiple times, about the difference between you going out places with friends, and you going out places with someone you're "dating" ... and asked why you wouldn't say you're "dating" your friends ... what's the difference between those two things that compels you to state you're "dating" someone ... and, you know what ... you've avoided it each and every time.

Me pleading with you to actually answer a question that was posed is the opposite of what I'm describing, and actually indicative of what m.knox does ... you have to keep asking him to answer questions because he never will answer them, he'll instead sidestep them and just continue to troll/attack with repeated stupidity.

You may be retreating into m.knox troll territory.
 
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I'm curious what exactly in our interaction in this thread makes you think I don't want a civil society? I don't think a far right extremist government in power who is asserting its will on people leads to a "civil society." However, it seems like you do.

I also don't think a "far left extremist government" in power, including anarchy, complete socialism, etc. is a civil society either.

So where is it clear that I have claimed anywhere that I "don't want a civil society?"

He doesn't know what to say, because he's just trolling for reaction and attention. There's nothing in this thread that would make one think you don't want a civil society, but he knows you're rational, so you would want to discuss and clarify his accusation, so he's going to keep levelling it baselessly to get you to pay attention to him. He won't explain himself. It's like clickbait ... did you see his response? "You don't even realize it" ... that's like a clickbait link "100 Things that may kill you ... and you don't even realize it!" Click on the article and there's no 100 things listed, just more accusations that things you're doing may kill you.

He's broken. This is what he's become.
 

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He doesn't know what to say, because he's just trolling for reaction and attention. There's nothing in this thread that would make one think you don't want a civil society, but he knows you're rational, so you would want to discuss and clarify his accusation, so he's going to keep levelling it baselessly to get you to pay attention to him. He won't explain himself. It's like clickbait ... did you see his response? "You don't even realize it" ... that's like a clickbait link "100 Things that may kill you ... and you don't even realize it!" Click on the article and there's no 100 things listed, just more accusations that things you're doing may kill you.

He's broken. This is what he's become.

More trolling from a clown who has been banned a half dozen times and had to come back with a different name each time.....

He called the Trump administration an extreme right wing regime which is nothing but an emotional reaction. It is as valid as me claiming the Biden Administration was an extreme left regime.
 
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More trolling from a clown who has been banned a half dozen times and had to come back with a different name each time.....

He called the Trump administration an extreme right wing regime which is nothing but an emotional reaction. It is as valid as me claiming the Biden Administration was an extreme left regime.
I mean, the trump admin checks off almost every single far right extremist box from the criteria we dialogued about a few pages ago.

You didn't push back on it then, , other than posting what Gemini said was a far left extremist believes. Which is fine and because you didn't push back, I assumed you agreed.

If you want to diogue about the premise that the Trump admin is a far right extremist admin, I'm happy to
 
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You literally couldn’t have. Because I address what you and others actually say. Just like I am here. You accuse me of something, and I address it and explain that it isn’t true. You misinterpret something and respond to something I didn't actually say or ask, and I take the time to explain why that isn't correct. You fail to answer my question, and I restate it and explain why your response wasn't appropriate. You know, a normal discussion ... at least from my end. Just like here. You would never get this from m.knox any longer ... his response would have just been to ignore your claims and repost some attacking nonsense.

Hey, speaking of people unable to have a basic exchanges of ideas ... I've now asked you questions, multiple times, about the difference between you going out places with friends, and you going out places with someone you're "dating" ... and asked why you wouldn't say you're "dating" your friends ... what's the difference between those two things that compels you to state you're "dating" someone ... and, you know what ... you've avoided it each and every time.

Me pleading with you to actually answer a question that was posed is the opposite of what I'm describing, and actually indicative of what m.knox does ... you have to keep asking him to answer questions because he never will answer them, he'll instead sidestep them and just continue to troll/attack with repeated stupidity.

You may be retreating into m.knox troll territory.
you're making my point for me, you ask, I respond...but you don't like my answer so your response is "you didn't answer my question" and the loop continues.

You won't accept a response until or it's "you're right moogy, you've always been right, how could I have been so misguided". And just to be clear, that's not going to happen because I Disagree with you and no matter what or how you move it around with "answer my question"," its a yes or no answer". My answer will be the same and you will say "you didn't answer" etc etc etc, round and around and around.

Are you NJPSU by another moniker? Was was your past user name?
 
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I mean, the trump admin checks off almost every single far right extremist box from the criteria we dialogued about a few pages ago.

You didn't push back on it then, , other than posting what Gemini said was a far left extremist believes. Which is fine and because you didn't push back, I assumed you agreed.

If you want to diogue about the premise that the Trump admin is a far right extremist admin, I'm happy to

This is precisely why you don't want civil society. How can you be civil when you lack an iota of respect for our ELECTED government?
 

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This is precisely why you don't want civil society. How can you be civil when you lack an iota of respect for our ELECTED government?
Why are you denying the fact that our government is a far right extremist government? It simply is. It has nothing to do with respect, it's just reality.

From your and MAGAs posts on this board, it's simply what you want and voted for. Why are you taking it as such a slight? Why are you being defensive? You clearly think it's OK and is what a civil society should be.

I disagree that it's OK, but said nothing pejorative to you about it.
 
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Why are you denying the fact that our government is a far right extremist government? It simply is. It has nothing to do with respect, it's just reality.

From your and MAGAs posts on this board, it's simply what you want and voted for. Why are you taking it as such a slight? Why are you being defensive? You clearly think it's OK and is what a civil society should be.

I disagree that it's OK, but said nothing pejorative to you about it.

The government has not changed one bit since Biden. We still have 3 branches. Congress still has two bodies.

The only thing that changed was the president. I understand you loathe him, but that doesn't mean the government has fundamentally changed.
 

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you're making my point for me, you ask, I respond...but you don't like my answer so your response is "you didn't answer my question" and the loop continues.

You won't accept a response until or it's "you're right moogy, you've always been right, how could I have been so misguided". And just to be clear, that's not going to happen because I Disagree with you and no matter what or how you move it around with "answer my question"," its a yes or no answer". My answer will be the same and you will say "you didn't answer" etc etc etc, round and around and around.

Are you NJPSU by another moniker? Was was your past user name?
No, you didn’t answer my question.

It’s not that I don’t like your response, it’s that you didn’t respond to the question.

If I ask you “what does 2 plus 2 equal?, if you respond “I like the color blue.” that isn’t me not liking your response, that’s you not answering the question. Now, if you had answered “2+2=5”, that’s responding to my question, but it’s wrong and I won’t like that response.

Thank you for admitting that you're never going to be logical, and you're going to stick to your position, no matter how unsound and invalid the attempted logic is illustrated to be. It was known you were this limited, but it's nice for you to acknowledge it.

So, again, this was about the impropriety of saying you'd date your daughter. Reasonable people with a working moral compass would simply say "it's improper." You, on the other hand, in order to protect your fuhrer, have tried to not answer questions, sidestep questions, or dispute questions, rather than just answer the questions. "It's not banging." "I don't have a daughter", etc. In each instance, I've explained away your attempted diversion and restated the question in a manner that avoids your supposed disputed area, and you refuse to answer the amended question.

And, at each step, when it was clear that you wouldn't answer the question, I've posed a different question ... and you've avoided that one.

Currently, we're at the issue of the difference between "dating" someone and going out with friends. You will not address this. I know why you won't. You know why you won't. But the simple fact is, you won't. And now you're trying to run cover for that.

And, in the end, what we're left with is the fact that you have unfettered, immutable support for a guy who looks at his daughter in a sexual way, who has been found liable for sexual assault, who has admitted he's a sexual predator, who has bragged about sexual assault on underage girls, has bragged about sexual assault on women, has been deemed "too gross" for a sex trafficker of underage girls, after being his bestie for years, who has committed felonies in order to try to cover up his sexual deviancies for political advancement and who has tried to run cover for the epstein files. And that's just the stuff that is known and settled. What lies underneath is obviously much worse.

And you say "that's OK with me" or "I don't care."
 
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No, you didn’t answer my question.

It’s not that I don’t like your response, it’s that you didn’t respond to the question.

If I ask you “what does 2 plus 2 equal?, if you respond “I like the color blue.” that isn’t me not liking your response, that’s you not answering the question. Now, if you had answered “2+2=5”, that’s responding to my question, but it’s wrong and I won’t like that response.

Thank you for admitting that you're never going to be logical, and you're going to stick to your position, no matter how unsound and invalid the attempted logic is illustrated to be. It was known you were this limited, but it's nice for you to acknowledge it.

So, again, this was about the impropriety of saying you'd date your daughter. Reasonable people with a working moral compass would simply say "it's improper." You, on the other hand, in order to protect your fuhrer, have tried to not answer questions, sidestep questions, or dispute questions, rather than just answer the questions. "It's not banging." "I don't have a daughter", etc. In each instance, I've explained away your attempted diversion and restated the question in a manner that avoids your supposed disputed area, and you refuse to answer the amended question.

And, at each step, when it was clear that you wouldn't answer the question, I've posed a different question ... and you've avoided that one.

Currently, we're at the issue of the difference between "dating" someone and going out with friends. You will not address this. I know why you won't. You know why you won't. But the simple fact is, you won't. And now you're trying to run cover for that.

And, in the end, what we're left with is the fact that you have unfettered, immutable support for a guy who looks at his daughter in a sexual way, who has been found liable for sexual assault, who has admitted he's a sexual predator, who has bragged about sexual assault on underage girls, has bragged about sexual assault on women, has been deemed "too gross" for a sex trafficker of underage girls, after being his bestie for years, who has committed felonies in order to try to cover up his sexual deviancies for political advancement and who has tried to run cover for the epstein files. And that's just the stuff that is known and settled. What lies underneath is obviously much worse.

And you say "that's OK with me" or "I don't care."
merry christmas
 

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The government has not changed one bit since Biden. We still have 3 branches. Congress still has two bodies.

The only thing that changed was the president. I understand you loathe him, but that doesn't mean the government has fundamentally changed
I never said it did? I'm talking about the ethos, the actions, the driving philosophies, and the principals of the current regime, who have a majority in 2 of the 3 major branches, is based in far right extremist ideology.

This isn't really debatable and I'm fairly certain almost every self avowed adherent of Maga on this board agrees and applauds it. Why do you have such an issue with owning this?
 
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I never said it did? I'm talking about the ethos, the actions, the driving philosophies, and the principals of the current regime, who have a majority in 2 of the 3 major branches, is based in far right extremist ideology.

This isn't really debatable and I'm fairly certain almost every self avowed adherent of Maga on this board agrees and applauds it. Why do you have such an issue with owning this?

You can't own something that is untrue.

I'd honestly like to know which policy positions you find "far right extremist." Not allowing biological boys to compete is girls sports? Immigration policy? Strong military? Low taxes? Elimination of "green" subsidies (sure pissed Elon Musk off)?
 

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You can't own something that is untrue.

I'd honestly like to know which policy positions you find "far right extremist." Not allowing biological boys to compete is girls sports? Immigration policy? Strong military? Low taxes? Elimination of "green" subsidies (sure pissed Elon Musk off)?
Awesome! Happy to do so and glad we're actually addressing the issue at hand. Got a few meetings and then I'll go through the list I posted the other day for ya
 

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You can't own something that is untrue.

I'd honestly like to know which policy positions you find "far right extremist." Not allowing biological boys to compete is girls sports? Immigration policy? Strong military? Low taxes? Elimination of "green" subsidies (sure pissed Elon Musk off)?
AI can help you:

Far-right extremist policy positions are characterized by fierce nationalism, xenophobia, and anti-immigration sentiments, often coupled with anti-government views and suspicion of centralized authority. They frequently advocate for strict immigration policies, prioritize "native" populations for social services, and oppose globalist institutions. Many also promote anti-democratic views, oppose universal human rights, and advocate for policies that align with exclusionary and hierarchical notions of society based on ethnicity or nationality.

Core ideologies and policy areas

  • Nationalism: A belief in an exclusionary, ethnically or racially defined nation and a desire to defend the "native" way of life from perceived external and internal threats.
  • Immigration: Strong opposition to immigration, with advocates for strict border control and policies that would exclude or expel immigrants.
  • Government and authority: Suspicion of or opposition to centralized federal and state authority, often tied to conspiracy theories about a loss of sovereignty or personal liberty. Some groups reject democracy and notions of universal human rights in favor of an authoritarian state.
  • Social policy: Positions that often include misogyny, opposition to reproductive rights (like abortion and certain forms of contraception), and a desire to maintain traditional gender roles.
  • Economy: A focus on national sovereignty, which may lead to skepticism of international organizations and trade agreements.
  • Security and preparation: Belief in the need for paramilitary or survivalist preparedness, and sometimes the use of violence to achieve political goals.
  • Targeting specific groups: Positions often include antisemitic and racist viewpoints, with some groups believing in the need for racial purity and advocating for violence against specific ethnic, racial, or religious groups.
 

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This is very easy to google, and I quickly asked Gemini to give me a bulleted list of what "far right extremist beliefs would be." There was no bias in my prompt, I didn't mention republicans, nor Trump. Here is what it said:


Based on definitions from political scientists, counter-terrorism experts, and international monitoring groups, far-right extremism is generally characterized by a specific set of ideological markers. While groups vary, they typically share a combination of the following ten traits:
  • Ultranationalism: A core belief that the nation is a single organic entity that must be prioritized above all else. This often involves "nativism," or the belief that the interests of native-born inhabitants constitute the only legitimate claim to the nation.
  • Authoritarianism: A rejection of liberal democratic institutions (like independent judiciaries or free press) in favor of a strict social hierarchy and strongman leadership. There is often a desire to suppress dissent forcibly.
  • Supremacism: The belief that a specific group—defined by race, ethnicity, religion, or culture—is superior to others. In Western contexts, this frequently manifests as white supremacy or white nationalism.
  • Xenophobia and Anti-Immigration: Intense hostility toward foreigners, immigrants, or minority groups, who are often portrayed as threats to the nation's cultural purity, economic stability, or physical safety.
  • Adherence to "Traditional" Values: A reactionary stance toward social progress. This often includes strict opposition to LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, and reproductive rights, favoring rigid, traditional gender roles and family structures.
  • Conspiratorial Thinking: A reliance on conspiracy theories to explain complex social or political events. Common narratives involve a "deep state," "globalists," or specific ethnic groups secretly controlling world events to destroy the nation (e.g., "The Great Replacement" theory).
  • Anti-Establishment Populism: A framing of society as a conflict between the "pure people" and a "corrupt elite." Extremists often view mainstream politicians, media, and academic institutions as enemies of the people.
  • Narratives of Decline: The belief that the nation or civilization is in a state of crisis, decay, or imminent collapse caused by external enemies or internal betrayal, requiring radical action to "save" or restore it.
  • Exclusionary Definition of Citizenship: The view that citizenship or belonging should not be based on law or residence, but strictly on blood, soil, religion, or ethnicity.
  • Legitimization of Violence: The belief that violence is a necessary and justifiable tool to achieve political goals, protect the in-group, or accelerate the collapse of the current system (accelerationism).
@Moogy this is the list I posted the other day. Imma attach actual Maga policies to it for ole mknox so no stealing my thunder til I get the chance to!
 

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You can't own something that is untrue.

I'd honestly like to know which policy positions you find "far right extremist." Not allowing biological boys to compete is girls sports? Immigration policy? Strong military? Low taxes? Elimination of "green" subsidies (sure pissed Elon Musk off)?
And, as a follow-up to the AI search results I just posted, here's one that looks into the "fierce nationalism" component of the first AI search:

Donald Trump's policies, often characterized by "fierce nationalism," are guided by an "America First" ideology that prioritizes U.S. domestic and economic interests over international cooperation and globalist agendas. These policies are largely defined by a focus on sovereignty, protectionism, and strict immigration controls.
Key policy areas reflecting this approach include:

Foreign Policy and International Relations

  • "America First" Stance: The central tenet is a transactional approach to diplomacy, where U.S. national interests take precedence over international commitments and alliances. Trump has explicitly identified himself as a nationalist and disavowed "globalism".
  • Skepticism of International Institutions and Treaties: The administration has been skeptical of organizations like the UN and the World Health Organization, and has withdrawn from or renegotiated several international agreements, including the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris Climate Agreement.
  • Bilateralism over Multilateralism: A preference for negotiating directly with individual nations rather than in multilateral forums where U.S. power might be less dominant.
  • Challenging Alliances: Relations with traditional allies have been described as transactional, with demands for other nations to contribute more to their own defense, particularly within NATO.

Trade Policy

  • Protectionism: Trump has consistently advocated for policies that protect American industries and jobs, primarily through the imposition of significant tariffs on imported goods, leading to trade wars with countries like China, Canada, and Mexico.
  • Renegotiating Trade Deals: He replaced the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) to prioritize American exports.

Immigration and Border Security

  • Strict Border Enforcement: A key component of his platform has been the push for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border and a focus on "law-and-order" approaches to immigration.
  • Travel Bans: Early in his presidency, an executive order was issued to block entry visas for citizens of several predominantly Muslim countries, which was later revised after legal challenges.
  • Nativist Rhetoric: His approach to immigration has been characterized by anti-immigrant rhetoric and proposals that critics argue align with nativist and white nationalist sentiments.

Domestic Policy

  • Economic Deregulation and Tax Cuts: Domestically, his policies have included significant deregulation of industries, particularly in the energy sector, and advocating for reduced corporate and income taxes.
  • Emphasis on "Industrial Might": A focus on revitalizing domestic manufacturing and industry, often at odds with environmental protections and digital economy trends.
 
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@Moogy this is the list I posted the other day. Imma attach actual Maga policies to it for ole mknox so no stealing my thunder til I get the chance to!

Too late. You can go back and forth with him on it, because I have zero interest in that ... as I've already expressed in this thread ... he's a troll through and through and has no desire for an actual back and forth. Been there, tried to do that, have no interest in trying again. But I just posted (some of) the facts, more for others to see than for him to view ... and he can laugh at reality all he wants, because that's the MAGAt way. They've already started to dispute AI, of course ... "it's programmed to support the liberal agenda," etc. It's what they do. All the reality against them is part of some vast conspiracy.
 

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And, as a follow-up to the AI search results I just posted, here's one that looks into the "fierce nationalism" component of the first AI search:

Donald Trump's policies, often characterized by "fierce nationalism," are guided by an "America First" ideology that prioritizes U.S. domestic and economic interests over international cooperation and globalist agendas. These policies are largely defined by a focus on sovereignty, protectionism, and strict immigration controls.
Key policy areas reflecting this approach include:

Foreign Policy and International Relations

  • "America First" Stance: The central tenet is a transactional approach to diplomacy, where U.S. national interests take precedence over international commitments and alliances. Trump has explicitly identified himself as a nationalist and disavowed "globalism".
  • Skepticism of International Institutions and Treaties: The administration has been skeptical of organizations like the UN and the World Health Organization, and has withdrawn from or renegotiated several international agreements, including the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris Climate Agreement.
  • Bilateralism over Multilateralism: A preference for negotiating directly with individual nations rather than in multilateral forums where U.S. power might be less dominant.
  • Challenging Alliances: Relations with traditional allies have been described as transactional, with demands for other nations to contribute more to their own defense, particularly within NATO.

Trade Policy
  • Protectionism: Trump has consistently advocated for policies that protect American industries and jobs, primarily through the imposition of significant tariffs on imported goods, leading to trade wars with countries like China, Canada, and Mexico.
  • Renegotiating Trade Deals: He replaced the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) with the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA) to prioritize American exports.

Immigration and Border Security
  • Strict Border Enforcement: A key component of his platform has been the push for a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border and a focus on "law-and-order" approaches to immigration.
  • Travel Bans: Early in his presidency, an executive order was issued to block entry visas for citizens of several predominantly Muslim countries, which was later revised after legal challenges.
  • Nativist Rhetoric: His approach to immigration has been characterized by anti-immigrant rhetoric and proposals that critics argue align with nativist and white nationalist sentiments.

Domestic Policy
  • Economic Deregulation and Tax Cuts: Domestically, his policies have included significant deregulation of industries, particularly in the energy sector, and advocating for reduced corporate and income taxes.
  • Emphasis on "Industrial Might": A focus on revitalizing domestic manufacturing and industry, often at odds with environmental protections and digital economy trends.

Too late. You can go back and forth with him on it, because I have zero interest in that ... as I've already expressed in this thread ... he's a troll through and through and has no desire for an actual back and forth. Been there, tried to do that, have no interest in trying again. But I just posted (some of) the facts, more for others to see than for him to view ... and he can laugh at reality all he wants, because that's the MAGAt way. They've already started to dispute AI, of course ... "it's programmed to support the liberal agenda," etc. It's what they do. All the reality against them is part of some vast conspiracy.
Thunder stolen 🥲
 

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Thunder stolen 🥲

Plenty of meat on the bone. You can go back and forth ... or in m.knox's case, back and back ... for hundreds of pages, banging your head on the wall trying to convince him the earth isn't flat ... but he'll never relent, or even address things substantively. He's been randomly posting that same "old guy throws a drink on kids" article hundreds of times over more than 6 or 7 years now. He's like a trollbot. An old model that is obsolete and has been replaced long ago.

Again, the poor guy was sent to the internet funny farm by someone returning serve on his attempted belittling/bullying and now, this is what he is. An empty shell, forced to troll the boards mindlessly for the rest of his existence, like a zombified medicated mental patient.
 
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Too late. You can go back and forth with him on it, because I have zero interest in that ... as I've already expressed in this thread ... he's a troll through and through and has no desire for an actual back and forth. Been there, tried to do that, have no interest in trying again. But I just posted (some of) the facts, more for others to see than for him to view ... and he can laugh at reality all he wants, because that's the MAGAt way. They've already started to dispute AI, of course ... "it's programmed to support the liberal agenda," etc. It's what they do. All the reality against them is part of some vast conspiracy.

LOL... Says the troll who got banned a half dozen times for tantruming like a petulant child.
 

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LOL.... Says the clown that has been booted off boards a half dozen times.... F'ing clown.
The m.knox Whataboutism Trollbot 1000 (affectionately known as "Hermy McFluffins") has been deemed obsolete and replaced by a newer model. All m.knox Whataboutism Trollbot 1000s should report to the scrapyard for decommissioning.
 

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The m.knox Whataboutism Trollbot 1000 (affectionately known as "Hermy McFluffins") has been deemed obsolete and replaced by a newer model. All m.knox Whataboutism Trollbot 1000s should report to the scrapyard for decommissioning.

SimplyCompicated.... lol....

You even got booted from HVI....
 

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Plenty of meat on the bone. You can go back and forth ... or in m.knox's case, back and back ... for hundreds of pages, banging your head on the wall trying to convince him the earth isn't flat ... but he'll never relent, or even address things substantively. He's been randomly posting that same "old guy throws a drink on kids" article hundreds of times over more than 6 or 7 years now. He's like a trollbot. An old model that is obsolete and has been replaced long ago.

Again, the poor guy was sent to the internet funny farm by someone returning serve on his attempted belittling/bullying and now, this is what he is. An empty shell, forced to troll the boards mindlessly for the rest of his existence, like a zombified medicated mental patient.

It's not an article... It's a video.




Below.......... Is an article. And a rather good one at that. Explains a lot of the lefts collective unhinged behavior.

I asked if Trump Derangement Syndrome is real: I got the death threats in reply proving it is​


https://nypost.com/2025/12/02/opini...me-is-real-these-hysterical-threats-prove-it/
 
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you're making my point for me, you ask, I respond...but you don't like my answer so your response is "you didn't answer my question" and the loop continues.

You won't accept a response until or it's "you're right moogy, you've always been right, how could I have been so misguided". And just to be clear, that's not going to happen because I Disagree with you and no matter what or how you move it around with "answer my question"," its a yes or no answer". My answer will be the same and you will say "you didn't answer" etc etc etc, round and around and around.

Are you NJPSU by another moniker? Was was your past user name?

Two that lasted the longest were SimplyComplicated and PurposePitch.
 

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@m.knox Here ya go. All of the responses under the bullets are my own words, off the cuff. As I told you, I used AI for the definition of "far right extremism" but not for my responses. Once I wrote it all out off the cuff, I ran it back through AI for proofs/articles/etc. cuz I didn't want to spend hours finding these sources. But it would've been easy, as this isn't hard to prove from the actions, ethos, and philosophies of this administration; they are very clearly a far right extremist administration and are governing like one.

Sorry the footnotes don't work, but they are cited in my responses and are hyperlinked at the bottom.
  • Ultranationalism: A core belief that the nation is a single organic entity that must be prioritized above all else. This often involves "nativism," or the belief that the interests of native-born inhabitants constitute the only legitimate claim to the nation.
    • This one is pretty easy- the entire idea of being America First, becoming increasingly isolationist in foreign policy1, threatening to take away natural born citizenship2 3, completely cutting off our humanitarian aid around the world4 5, etc.
  • Authoritarianism: A rejection of liberal democratic institutions (like independent judiciaries or free press) in favor of a strict social hierarchy and strongman leadership. There is often a desire to suppress dissent forcibly.
    • The Trump admin has cut free press off at their knees6 7, only allowing news agencies that are "Pro-Trump" allowed into the White house8 9, pressuring telecom companies to fire late night hosts who are against the administration10 11, etc. This goes on and on.
  • Supremacism: The belief that a specific group—defined by race, ethnicity, religion, or culture—is superior to others. In Western contexts, this frequently manifests as white supremacy or white nationalism.
    • We see this constantly with all the "Christian Nation" talk12 13, wanting to return America to it's "Christian values it was founded on," the rejection of minor cultures in America and not "bowing to them," not to mention putting known white nationalists like Stephen Miller (there are countless articles about how this is a dog whistle to the White Supremacist faction of the Conservative/Alt Right movement in America14 15) and Pete Hegseth (who got thrown out of the military for Nazi tattoos 16 17. These are just the one's in our face.
  • Xenophobia and Anti-Immigration: Intense hostility toward foreigners, immigrants, or minority groups, who are often portrayed as threats to the nation's cultural purity, economic stability, or physical safety.
    • We see this today as MAGA has turned on Somalians18 19, turned on Muslims20, has turned on the Latino population21. ICE and it's illegal and draconian methods22, the constant cry that "Diversity is a net negative,"23 24and those that haven't received the Covid Vaccine calls themselves "purebloods."2526
  • Adherence to "Traditional" Values: A reactionary stance toward social progress. This often includes strict opposition to LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, and reproductive rights, favoring rigid, traditional gender roles and family structures.
    • MAGA is anti-abortion, calling it baby murder27 28, some are accepting of Gays/Lesbians but constantly decry the Trans community as violent, mentally ill, and simply liars29 30. The government posted numerous times on government websites of White families, implying they are the ideal manifestation of American Values31 32
  • Conspiratorial Thinking: A reliance on conspiracy theories to explain complex social or political events. Common narratives involve a "deep state," "globalists," or specific ethnic groups secretly controlling world events to destroy the nation (e.g., "The Great Replacement" theory).
    • MAGA is completely built on Conspiracy theories, including Birthirism of Obama, the "deep state," Vaccines causing Autism, George Soros33, etc.34 35
  • Anti-Establishment Populism: A framing of society as a conflict between the "pure people" and a "corrupt elite." Extremists often view mainstream politicians, media, and academic institutions as enemies of the people.
    • This administration decries higher degrees, has defunded the Education department36 37, constantly talks about the elite being corrupt (Drain the swamp ideology), and has many simply call themselves populists, especially on this board.
  • Narratives of Decline: The belief that the nation or civilization is in a state of crisis, decay, or imminent collapse caused by external enemies or internal betrayal, requiring radical action to "save" or restore it.
    • Again, the dems are evil, the deep state is controlling us, the illegals are ruining the country38, the trans community is violent30, and MAGA is here to restore America away from this and back to its original glory.
  • Exclusionary Definition of Citizenship: The view that citizenship or belonging should not be based on law or residence, but strictly on blood, soil, religion, or ethnicity.
    • This goes back to the idea of revoking naturalized citizenship, that immigration is only a net positive in certain circumstances, that American's are the ONLY people that America should care about2 39.
  • Legitimization of Violence: The belief that violence is a necessary and justifiable tool to achieve political goals, protect the in-group, or accelerate the collapse of the current system (accelerationism).
    • You can see this in ICE's violent actions21, the bombing of drug boats far from American soil140, the reactions to the "no Kings" rallies41 42, etc
 

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  34. Trump needs qualified workers — but doesn’t want the immigrants, accessed December 4, 2025, https://m.economictimes.com/nri/mig...want-the-immigrants/articleshow/125735107.cms
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  38. Somali residents in Wisconsin uneasy following Trump comments, federal raids, accessed December 4, 2025, https://www.wpr.org/news/somali-residents-wisconsin-uneasy-trump-comments-federal-raids
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@m.knox Here ya go. All of the responses under the bullets are my own words, off the cuff. As I told you, I used AI for the definition of "far right extremism" but not for my responses. Once I wrote it all out off the cuff, I ran it back through AI for proofs/articles/etc. cuz I didn't want to spend hours finding these sources. But it would've been easy, as this isn't hard to prove from the actions, ethos, and philosophies of this administration; they are very clearly a far right extremist administration and are governing like one.

Sorry the footnotes don't work, but they are cited in my responses and are hyperlinked at the bottom.
  • Ultranationalism: A core belief that the nation is a single organic entity that must be prioritized above all else. This often involves "nativism," or the belief that the interests of native-born inhabitants constitute the only legitimate claim to the nation.
    • This one is pretty easy- the entire idea of being America First, becoming increasingly isolationist in foreign policy1, threatening to take away natural born citizenship2 3, completely cutting off our humanitarian aid around the world4 5, etc.
  • Authoritarianism: A rejection of liberal democratic institutions (like independent judiciaries or free press) in favor of a strict social hierarchy and strongman leadership. There is often a desire to suppress dissent forcibly.
    • The Trump admin has cut free press off at their knees6 7, only allowing news agencies that are "Pro-Trump" allowed into the White house8 9, pressuring telecom companies to fire late night hosts who are against the administration10 11, etc. This goes on and on.
  • Supremacism: The belief that a specific group—defined by race, ethnicity, religion, or culture—is superior to others. In Western contexts, this frequently manifests as white supremacy or white nationalism.
    • We see this constantly with all the "Christian Nation" talk12 13, wanting to return America to it's "Christian values it was founded on," the rejection of minor cultures in America and not "bowing to them," not to mention putting known white nationalists like Stephen Miller (there are countless articles about how this is a dog whistle to the White Supremacist faction of the Conservative/Alt Right movement in America14 15) and Pete Hegseth (who got thrown out of the military for Nazi tattoos 16 17. These are just the one's in our face.
  • Xenophobia and Anti-Immigration: Intense hostility toward foreigners, immigrants, or minority groups, who are often portrayed as threats to the nation's cultural purity, economic stability, or physical safety.
    • We see this today as MAGA has turned on Somalians18 19, turned on Muslims20, has turned on the Latino population21. ICE and it's illegal and draconian methods22, the constant cry that "Diversity is a net negative,"23 24and those that haven't received the Covid Vaccine calls themselves "purebloods."2526
  • Adherence to "Traditional" Values: A reactionary stance toward social progress. This often includes strict opposition to LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, and reproductive rights, favoring rigid, traditional gender roles and family structures.
    • MAGA is anti-abortion, calling it baby murder27 28, some are accepting of Gays/Lesbians but constantly decry the Trans community as violent, mentally ill, and simply liars29 30. The government posted numerous times on government websites of White families, implying they are the ideal manifestation of American Values31 32
  • Conspiratorial Thinking: A reliance on conspiracy theories to explain complex social or political events. Common narratives involve a "deep state," "globalists," or specific ethnic groups secretly controlling world events to destroy the nation (e.g., "The Great Replacement" theory).
    • MAGA is completely built on Conspiracy theories, including Birthirism of Obama, the "deep state," Vaccines causing Autism, George Soros33, etc.34 35
  • Anti-Establishment Populism: A framing of society as a conflict between the "pure people" and a "corrupt elite." Extremists often view mainstream politicians, media, and academic institutions as enemies of the people.
    • This administration decries higher degrees, has defunded the Education department36 37, constantly talks about the elite being corrupt (Drain the swamp ideology), and has many simply call themselves populists, especially on this board.
  • Narratives of Decline: The belief that the nation or civilization is in a state of crisis, decay, or imminent collapse caused by external enemies or internal betrayal, requiring radical action to "save" or restore it.
    • Again, the dems are evil, the deep state is controlling us, the illegals are ruining the country38, the trans community is violent30, and MAGA is here to restore America away from this and back to its original glory.
  • Exclusionary Definition of Citizenship: The view that citizenship or belonging should not be based on law or residence, but strictly on blood, soil, religion, or ethnicity.
    • This goes back to the idea of revoking naturalized citizenship, that immigration is only a net positive in certain circumstances, that American's are the ONLY people that America should care about2 39.
  • Legitimization of Violence: The belief that violence is a necessary and justifiable tool to achieve political goals, protect the in-group, or accelerate the collapse of the current system (accelerationism).
    • You can see this in ICE's violent actions21, the bombing of drug boats far from American soil140, the reactions to the "no Kings" rallies41 42, etc

More vague generalisms. What specific policy did Trump initiate that was "far right extreme?" Tariffs? Cutting off federal funds for Universities that allowed antisemitism?

Authoritarianism? How about going to a school board meeting to voice your concerns and being escorted out because you challenged authority? That's the democratic party. Take a shot or lose your job?

I love that last point. "legitimization of violence." Did you even read that one? lol... That's your party again.

What the No Kings Day protest reveals about support for political violence in America​


https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...ut-support-for-political-violence-in-america/

Although the demographic makeup of protesters continues to be consistent, one feature has changed remarkably over this year: Support for political violence.

Our survey includes a question that asks respondents to indicate their degree of agreement with the statement: “Because things have gotten so far off track, Americans may have to resort to violence to save our country.” Although the data we have collected over this first year of the second Trump administration had been showing a consistent upward trend in support for political violence, we observed a substantial drop at No Kings Day 2.0. Moreover, the proportion of the crowd who rejected political violence surged to 59%.
 

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More vague generalisms. What specific policy did Trump initiate that was "far right extreme?" Tariffs? Cutting off federal funds for Universities that allowed antisemitism?

Authoritarianism? How about going to a school board meeting to voice your concerns and being escorted out because you challenged authority? That's the democratic party. Take a shot or lose your job?

I love that last point. "legitimization of violence." Did you even read that one? lol... That's your party again.

What the No Kings Day protest reveals about support for political violence in America​


https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...ut-support-for-political-violence-in-america/

Although the demographic makeup of protesters continues to be consistent, one feature has changed remarkably over this year: Support for political violence.

Our survey includes a question that asks respondents to indicate their degree of agreement with the statement: “Because things have gotten so far off track, Americans may have to resort to violence to save our country.” Although the data we have collected over this first year of the second Trump administration had been showing a consistent upward trend in support for political violence, we observed a substantial drop at No Kings Day 2.0. Moreover, the proportion of the crowd who rejected political violence surged to 59%.
Hey dude- I went line by line, and pointed out every action by the Trump Administration that checks off the "far right extremist" box. And I have receipts/cited sources, and they weren't generalizations. Even if they only really checked off, hypothetically, 7/10, Political Scientists, pundits, just about anyone would argue the administration is a far right extremist one.

In fact, most MAGA on this board/in general are ok with that. I truly don't understand why you aren't, but I won't attempt to argue it anymore, I think its a waste of both of our times.

Good luck!
 

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'What the Hell Is Wrong With Democrats?'​


I have often asked that question too. It could be a multitude of issues. Genetic is my first thought. A bad mutated gene in these people. It could be college professors and Fake News press brainwashing. Most have that far off distant look in their like, somewhat like a nearly brain dead Joe Biden. Some people are just more susceptible to fall victim to brainwashing, especially if they have a mutated gene(s). Thirdly, maybe it's in the water they drink? I would not be too far fetched to have the Marxist/Communist leadership in these communities to spike the water with chemicals and hallucinogenic drugs. That might be why many of them have purple hair and nose rings? It appears many of them have had collisions with all three of these points!!! That being, most of them are not very smart, and resist facts and reality.

I wish something can be set up like in the movie 'Logan's Run' with Farrah Fawcett. In that movie The citizens live a hedonistic lifestyle, but when they turn 30 must enter the "Carrousel", a public ritual that destroys their bodies, under the pretense they would be "Renewed" or reborn. In reality they are eliminated. We can make such a 'Carrousel' telling them that the Land of WOKE with the Green New Deal is in there waiting for their embrace. Well, you know what happens then... 🤭
 
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I'm not worried about it AT ALL but god it's very nice to be reminded that I'm on the right side of history when the most unhinged/hated poster on all of Tiger Illustrated, @treetiger, is on the MAGA side.

Tells ya all you need to know.