Don't have a dog in this fight as I am a UF fan, but I am curious why some MSU fans want Lebby gone. I think he has a very very good offensive scheme and is a very very good up and coming coach. The fact that he played us (Florida) and Tennessee so close with MSU's roster is extremely impressive in my eyes and just wandering over here to see what I might be missing and why some of your fans want him gone because I have loaded up on my Jeff Lebby stock recently and think he could be a great coach.
Why do some MSU fans want Lebby gone?
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First explain jorts to me and then I will tell you.
Do you like movies about Gladiators?
Because we have the dumbest fanbase in the country. Same fans who wanted Mullen fired midway through the 2013 season
Because last year was one of the worst years for State football in 40 years. The worst defense ever and we stayed with the DC who had zero prior experience of being a DC. This year we are better but haven't got over the SEC hump.
With that being said, I in no way want him gone. I think we are on the right track. It's not ideal to have a HC who is learning on the job but he is. And he called a great game the other night offensively in my opinion.
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Inability to recruit (at a place where if you just try you can land a top 10 class) and he completely gave up on the team and season since he was distracted by wanting NFL jobs
That is called KARMA. He did the same thing to us multiple years when trying to get a job at other schools including uf.
Mullen? No way
because 14 million dollars for a payout is chump change for all the millions these blowhards donate to the Bulldog Club
Most sane people don't want him gone (yet). He's obviously got us heading in the right direction from where we were. What you are seeing now is just an overly emotional reaction to losing to a team that frankly isn't very good and didn't even seem to care about winning that game. We just gave it away, in part because of some coaching decisions. So everyone is pissed. Some fans fly off the handle and throw a tantrum. Others of us lived through the 80's and the Croom era and know we have seen worse.
This chatter will all go away if we play well against UT.
So you flirted with the married woman in your own neighborhood and got her, then you are surprised when she flirts with other people....
Got it.
Also, your fired a guy that had you in Atlanta the previous year, then you are surprised when football karma kicks you in the nuts....
Got it.
Yes I do agree that some of his decisions caused you all to lose, but he is a young coach and those are fixable mistakes / in game decisions. In the grand scheme though he has a very nice offensive scheme and seems to be one of the bright young minds on that side of the ball. The fact that he was even in the game against Florida and Tennessee which both have top 10-15 rosters in the sport I think is a testament that in the grand scheme he has everything that it takes to be a really good coach. If I were you, I would show him all the love possible because I could see big names come calling in a few years down the line.
MStateU - As much as I would like them to, my opinions and thoughts don't influence the coaching decisions at the University of Florida
Unfortunately for you, Florida has the same guy who hired your last two coaches hiring your next coach. He will probably miss again. He's lazy just like Mullen and a high school male cheerleader. He probably using Florida to move up into the SEC Commissioner spot. If true that probably won't work out.
If I didn't agree with you on this, I would be really tempted to mention the plank in your own eye with regards to football coach hiring advice... but you happen to be correct, so I won't mention that.
Someone else brought this back up earlier, but I highly doubt Loafers is pulling the strings. He's the figurehead and takes the blame when it goes south, but there are much more powerful guys in the shadows behind him making these decisions.
That's probably the case most everywhere even Bama.
Don’t try to talk sense to me. I’m still pissed at turncoat stricklin and losing the game this weekend. Just let me talk trash online.
To a degree, but there are certainly more powerful AD's (like Byrne) who deserve and demand their own high level of input.
Stricklin is just not one of those.
When opposing fans wax poetic about your coach, you're in trouble.
Up until the day we fired Crxxms, every fan in the SEC droned about how bad of a hand he had been dealt and how he was turning it around. He just needed time...
Up until the day we fired Crxxms, every fan in the SEC droned about how bad of a hand he had been dealt and how he was turning it around. He just needed time...
Sounds to me like it's harder to win at Flarrda than it is MSU
Give Croom time, guys. And recognize when someone is talking down to you
Give Croom time, guys. And recognize when someone is talking down to you
My issue with Lebby is so far he tries to force what he wants to do instead of adjusting to what is happening. We had big runs, explosives in the current vernacular, but he seemed to not embrace it and wanted to force the deep pass in the UT game. Same in UF in you could get 6 yards with a run in that situation. He goes against common coaching sense and the higher percentage call. Some times the boring call is the correct call.
He is falling into pigheadedness versus creative play calling.
He is falling into pigheadedness versus creative play calling.
I am hoping Lebby learns from his mistakes.
First off, I don’t think many serious people are actually calling for him to be fired yet. Sure, some goons on Twitter are.
With that said, he’s 6-13 and 0-11 in the sec. That record should justifiably catch heat anywhere. If Florida think so highly of him, they should come get him.
With that said, he’s 6-13 and 0-11 in the sec. That record should justifiably catch heat anywhere. If Florida think so highly of him, they should come get him.
Every comment about “wanting him gone” that I have seen are contingent upon another winless season in SEC play.
Nobody wants him to be fired today, but many are rightfully concerned about the effect of having an 0-16 coach trying to sell both himself and the program as a whole to portal transfers, boosters, and high school recruits.
Nobody wants him to be fired today, but many are rightfully concerned about the effect of having an 0-16 coach trying to sell both himself and the program as a whole to portal transfers, boosters, and high school recruits.
Yeah you clearly upgraded
I'm kinda on the fence about it, but moreso on the "I want him gone" side. I just don't think it takes 2 years to see bona fide improvement for a coach that knows his Xs and Os and can identify strengths and weaknesses of players. We're in year two of Lebby and he can't even win a conference game against a dumpster fire of a Florida team with a coach everyone knew was fired. Mullen inhereted a 4-win Croom team with a laughable QB situation and nearly went to a bowl in his first year. In year two he won 9 and the Gator Bowl.
I think the game being as close as it was is a testament to how good Lebby is and how bad Napier is. Not attempting to talk down at all, I respect MSU fans and some of the least annoying in the conference, but the roster imbalance in the game was very extreme, and the fact that Lebby was able to produce more offense than most very talented teams that have faced the Gators this year is impressive.
Not attempting to talk down at all. I just take an interest in good offensive minds / HCs given how inept my now former coach was when it came to that side of the ball, and Lebby was on the coaches I have been keeping track of. Saw some smoke on Twitter about people wanting Lebby gone and thought this would be the place to go to see what I was missing. MSU beat a ranked ASU team that was in the playoff last year. The conference record is just smoke to me, I get it's important and SEC fanbases have high expectations, but this conference is really hard to win in, especially when you have a roster imbalance in key positions
It sounds like you are describing Moorhead all over again.
Few things here:
1. You’re comparing Florida and Tennessee pretty freely in this thread, but right now, Florida is a lot closer to Mississippi State than it is to Tennessee. Playing Florida close isn’t really any sort of accomplishment right now. Tennessee, maybe, but Florida, no. We might as well lose to Kentucky or Arkansas, but “keep it close”. It’s the same level of accomplishment as losing close to Florida.
2. I don’t think anybody is seriously saying Lebby should be fired this week (or next week), even with comments like “leave him on the tarmac”. I do, however, think he lost a LOT of the goodwill & “benefit of the doubt” he got from the ASU win and his decision making ability, especially in crunch time, is rightfully being questioned. It’s not so much that people want him fired, but a lot of people are suddenly ok if he was no longer the coach. But, hey, if you think he’s such a promising young offensive mind, Florida should really take a long look at him.
3. If he goes 0-16 in the SEC and 1-17 against the Power 4 (and 1-1 against the MAC) over the course of 2 years, then his seat needs to be white hot. I don’t know how that’s debatable.
4. Whatever the positives, he made some really bad calls in crunch time against both Tennessee and Florida. If you look at our final drive in regulation, we had all 3 timeouts and a little less than 2 minutes. We should have had the ball on the ground milking the clock and either forcing Tennessee to use their timeouts or making sure if we didn’t get in FG range, they had no time left. Instead, we throw the ball (twice incomplete) and take a grand total of 32 seconds off the clock without Tennessee using a single timeout. We were lucky Tennessee had their own clock management problems and an offensive holding penalty. Also, no matter what BFW or anybody else says, passing the ball (especially in the middle of the field) on that final play against Florida was boneheaded given the strengths and weaknesses of our offensive personnel.
5. You’re relying a lot on recruiting class rankings, but it’s 2025. With the transfer portal, that sнit is played out.
"I, a fan of a school who has fired head coaches for going 16-8 and 21-14 in the SEC, just can't fathom why anyone would be antsy over a guy who is 0-11!!"
He was a hs male cheerleader. Well yeah that’s Gaye as fuuuukkkke. Probably opted for kimala the Ugandan princess too
A good general rule of thumb that I learned two decades ago is that when you have opposing fans coming up to you and telling you how highly they think of your coach, you're doing something terribly wrong.
For all the "good" that Lebby is allegedly doing, the bottom line is that he's 0-11 in the SEC, his innovative offense has repeated trouble scoring points or at times even moving the ball for long stretches, and at least thus far, there isn't much of a light at the end of the tunnel when it comes to recruiting talent.
I don't think many reasonable fans want Lebby fired at this junction, and I'm one of the ones that thinks he deserves more time, but you don't have to look far to see why people are generally unhappy.
I do too. But first a person has to recognize that they made one.
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Florida isn't what it once was but the roster is very very close and maybe better than Tennessee's (the difference is they have one of the best coaches in the sport right now) . I honestly think if Lebby was calling plays for the Gators this year as opposed to Billy, we would have one loss at most at this point. I just am the opinion that if a coach is really good at Xs and Os (as I believe Lebby is) you need to give him at least three years of a rebuild to see if he can beef up the talent on the roster