Why do we continue to lose so many top recruits late every year?
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Somebody has to be the flippee. Slive has designated us as the go to flippee program. Also, we've got pornjort and reve out there running hard leg. That HAS to creep out young males. So I choose to blame them for the most part.
I refuse to believe that we just suck at recruiting.
I refuse to believe that we just suck at recruiting.
Mainly because we aren't willing to go the extra mile to get recruits...
most of what we have lost recently late have been in state guys to OM. Which is odd because they have been the "down" program over the past few years while we have been riding relatively high. Would logically make more sense if we were losing guys to the Bamas and LSUs where players might see a chance to win a NC but that's not been the case. Bottom line is the "Rebel Network" so to speak is well versed in getting in with and taking care of a recruit's family if they really want them. Us, not so much. Not every recruit is vunerable to this tactic but there are plenty that are. OM has a lot of money people around the State in places to make things happen that care greatly about football. State has some but a lot of them either don't care much about football and the ones that do can't do much because we will apparently turn ourselves in in a heartbeat (see Will Redmond -- thanks Bracky). But we just aren't even very good at doing things to give us leverage with a recruit that really aren't even against the rules. For example, when is the last time you've seen a recruit who is hanging in the balance have a parent get a job in Starkville? We just aren't that good at "playing the game" and it shows in Dec and Jan before signing day. That's my opinion anyway from everything I've picked up over the years. Its just a fact that OM, inside Mississippi, has a lot more influential alumni that care about football than we do, and that goes from decades back.
That post is dead on and I've been saying it for quite a while. Its very obvious what is going on. They are recruiting in football the way that we did in basketball. We all knew what was going on with Stansbury and that we would eventually just make it happen and get the recruit. That's how Ole Miss is in football recruiting. We don't play the game as well or as smart as they do.
I agree for the most part, but I also think that we do not have very good recruiters on our coaching staff. Too many from the North that can't really relate to the Southern kid. Just my opinion.
That is an issue for sure...
and one area that WOULD be improved if we had a guy like Hudspeth rather than a less personable guy like Mullen. However, I don't believe that is why guys are flipping on us in the last 2 months of recruiting which was the question here. If that was a recruit's primary issue then I doubt we would ever have gotten them committed to start with.
....and money people in Memphis to pay a fat bastard to run his mouth. But Redmond vs Mark Dodson is a good example. Redmond is all over the paper and news for driving a mustang. Has yahoosports and the Memphis media and NCAA questioned Dodson's former coach about his badass Charger and rims and all his OM garb he picked up since last Christmas?
It is really frustrating. Again, for about the 4th time, if the NCAA doesn't conduct a rectal exam on ALL of these Devinner recruits in light of what they learned on Robinson and Redmond, this thing they call compliance is a complete and utter joke.
It is really frustrating. Again, for about the 4th time, if the NCAA doesn't conduct a rectal exam on ALL of these Devinner recruits in light of what they learned on Robinson and Redmond, this thing they call compliance is a complete and utter joke.
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Question for those who enjoy playing the race card:
If accusing Ole Miss of racism was such an effective recruiting tactic, wouldn't you expect it to work best on the parents of recruits? After all, one would think the parents have a greater awareness of past events (such as the Meredith integration) due to the time period in which they grew up. (I'm not saying that the parents were necessarily alive during integration, but surely they would have a greater familiarity with such events than someone born in the 1990s.)
If accusing Ole Miss of racism was such an effective recruiting tactic, wouldn't you expect it to work best on the parents of recruits? After all, one would think the parents have a greater awareness of past events (such as the Meredith integration) due to the time period in which they grew up. (I'm not saying that the parents were necessarily alive during integration, but surely they would have a greater familiarity with such events than someone born in the 1990s.)
Need it be said again...
WE REPORTED ON OURSELVES, that's why WE are getting a rectal exam. This will continue to be a problem while we have our current compliance department.
You play the game just fine..
You just freak out when you dont get every single recruit. Why do you think some of these guys who flip committed to State in the first place?
You just freak out when you dont get every single recruit. Why do you think some of these guys who flip committed to State in the first place?
I personally think the racism legacy at OM is an issue to some...
but even for those that care its WAY secondary to a family using the recruiting process to better their situation when they have the chance.
Yea, we are lining their pockets up big time...
when they show up to summer camp. Whatever, believe what you want, but I actually sort of envy the network the Bears have in place to make things happen when it gets close to signing day.
I see.
So when y'all say that Freeze et al. know how to "connect with Mama," you're really just saying that they're good at paying money to Mama. Gotcha. By the same token, you're saying that the parents of recruits care more about receiving improper benefits than sending their kids to a purportedly racist institution. This seems to mesh nicely with C34's Harriet Beecher Stowe theory.
So when y'all say that Freeze et al. know how to "connect with Mama," you're really just saying that they're good at paying money to Mama. Gotcha. By the same token, you're saying that the parents of recruits care more about receiving improper benefits than sending their kids to a purportedly racist institution. This seems to mesh nicely with C34's Harriet Beecher Stowe theory.
It bothers me. I suspect the problem is not our coaching staff but our AD office. I hope we closely scrutinize everyone in our department who has contact with recruits.
It's amazing to me you act like you dont cheat - WHILE UNDER INVESTIATION
maybe you're just trying to say you don't do it well, but there are a lot of battles you have won so that's off base as well.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...igating-mississippi-state-bulldogs-recruiting
maybe you're just trying to say you don't do it well, but there are a lot of battles you have won so that's off base as well.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...igating-mississippi-state-bulldogs-recruiting
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Ummm-tough question. Not really sure, but it probably means a kid raised in the South.
Well first...
I never said we didn't cheat, but we aren't very good at it and we, unlike any SEC team I've ever seen, jump at the chance to turn ourselves in at every turn. Second, a lot of what I'm talking about, is not even against NCAA rules. Its just things done to help get leverage with a recruit or a recruit's family. The only real blatant thing I've really seen OM boosters do recently was with CJ's situation. And EVERY BCS school in America has some individual boosters here or there doing things they shouldn't, that's not big news. Regarding the situation you linked, apparently this guy was not very smart in the way he did some things rather openly and of course our compliance department jumped on the phone to the NCAA pronto about it as usual.
I understand that. But it doesn't change the fact the NCAA should be looking beyond just two guys.
We`ve had coaches that could talk with mama and we`ve had some that couldn`t. Right now we just don`t seem to be good at it. There have been times that money has changed hands but most of the time it`s about trust. Plain and simple.
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First there is no ya'll...
I have my opinions and other posters have theirs. OM has a racist history, that's just a fact, but whether that is much of an issue to black families in general today I don't know, you will have to ask them. But even if it was I'm sure that would be secondary to what's best for the family. And I didn't say anything about paying anybody, you did. There are plenty of ways within NCAA rules to take advantage of the situation for a family to help themselves if they want to. And in Moore's case he's had family play at OM so whatever racist legacy OM has I'm sure that isn't an issue with him at all. The relating to Mama, to me, would just be the fact that Freeze was born and raised here and may be more engaging while Mullen is a yankee who maybe doesn't connect as well as someone who grew up around the South. Heck, even Tebow has said that it took a while for him to connect with Mullen on the recruiting trail.
my contention is that Kalio never intended on coming to state just like brassell in'10. they (Om) find one willing to play the game, have him commit early to try and pull some others (CJ) during the process or get inside information. They just couldn't find one to play the game last year. That is why I say cut Kalio loose from here out and retract his ov. The recruit may participate to increase their leverage or bargaining power. Drive up the bid. dead period is when they decommit....just like brassell. That and they are just lawless during the dead period.
I am sure the coaches know how to read prospects and they can/will make the decision on what to do with kalio from here out. I hope they take a hard look at it.
I am sure the coaches know how to read prospects and they can/will make the decision on what to do with kalio from here out. I hope they take a hard look at it.
If you're an in-state RB, WR, or ath being recruited, and you take a look at both schools, Freeze's offense is much more enticing. If you have speed, you're gonna play. 6 different receivers touched the ball in the LSU game. Also, the fans make the recruit feel like he's Jesus out there. And Freeze uses this kind of talk to entice them.
What a one sided post. You don't think we would play fast guys? You don't think our fans treat our players well? This post is stupid. The players must feel real special when the student section at VH is 75% empty in the 3rd quarter of games. If you step outside of Oxford every once in while, you would realize that football is a really big deal at every school in the SEC except Vandy and Kentucky. The Moore situation has nothing to do with what your post insinuates. This was either a life long OM fan that went with his heart or there was hanky panky going on. I really don't think that MSU was out recruited here.
It's "Kailo."
What message are you sending to recruits if you're misspelling their names on message boards? It's important to spell recruits' names correctly to prevent attrition.
What message are you sending to recruits if you're misspelling their names on message boards? It's important to spell recruits' names correctly to prevent attrition.
A whole 6 receivers caught a pass in the LSU game? Wow. That's a lot, especially considering that State had 9 receivers catch a pass in Baton Rouge.
And also, got to love those numbers that Freeze's offense puts up: 47th in passing yards. 55th in rushing yards. 50th in scoring. (State: 50th. 88th. 56th) So, that's about AVERAGE. Don't confuse a gimmick offense (hurry-up) with an efficient offense. But of course, as always, whatever Freeze tells a recruit is the "gospel".
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I don't really think this one is like Brassell...
I think Moore has always had a connection with OM because of family but he wasn't going there when the program went into disarray. Now that things are looking better with OM's program and Freeze has been on him he is going back to what he probably originally was going to do anyway had things not gone to pot under Nutt. Heck, I don't know what Brassell was doing other than he thought he might could help get Market an offer by committing with him. I'm not sure Brassell ever even visited MSU.
It's "robed."
And that ceremony is actually the week after the bowl game. But thanks, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
And that ceremony is actually the week after the bowl game. But thanks, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
The key for *** with early commitments in most cases is to . . . . . . .
strictly adhere to his policy of not allowing them to visit other campuses, especially OM, after they commit. In those prior cases where *** has not allowed the commit to visit, he has garnered a signature on signing day. Conversely, if a commit disregards the policy and takes a visit the odds of keeping that commit go down significantly. Don't let Chris Jones take an official visit to OM under any circumstances.
strictly adhere to his policy of not allowing them to visit other campuses, especially OM, after they commit. In those prior cases where *** has not allowed the commit to visit, he has garnered a signature on signing day. Conversely, if a commit disregards the policy and takes a visit the odds of keeping that commit go down significantly. Don't let Chris Jones take an official visit to OM under any circumstances.
So you are saying ole miss was better in every offensive category that you posted in freeses first year then mullen in his 4th. How do you think a recruit is going to look at that?
"Thank you sir may I have another" like Kevin Bacon for you this week leading up to initiation.
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