Why Flood will get terminated for cause
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Understood, but seriously, have you read the NCAA drug policy and the RU policy--it's pretty much the same, so is the policy at (insert school). It's not like the schools go out of their way to draft all new policy--they just grab it from the NCAA. But for the sake of argument, you are correct, sir (or madam). I'm here in peace...
Pfft. Do you really think PSU fans don't know about how this crap is done?!? Seriously?? From the board, to the top donors--trust me, we understand perfectly how this info is disseminated, and who gets "real" info as opposed to "none". I'm pretty 99% of the posters here get "none". Having season tickets and points seat donations ain't getting you real info but donating a building or millions will.
Incredibly short sighted and follows up the FHJ and Rice debacles on how not to handle a termination of a coach.....similar to Illinois axing Tim Beckman, who is responsible for the student athletes?? Eventually the AD went as well at Illinois.
I guess there are easier ways to save money, but the reputational damage on the circuit of sports and coaching agents is alarmingly bad, if RU goes this route....a friend of mine is well aware of all if this and is friends with one of the RU assistant coaches, they have already known about this for awhile and yet, we have these postings seemingly with intent to help, but clearly don't do anything but more damage....which really doesn't help RU's cause, our schools reputation, and actually costs RU more money to hire a replacement down the road....OR eliminates potential coaches that need to sell security to the assistant coaches they want to bring with them, since they will ask for more money than they are worth.
From a football perspective, we should be rooting for 5-7 and moderate changes and keeping the Russo, Pollock, Sneed and others intact because the pool of candidates is cheaper for everyone next year and it keeps an impact class intact.
I guess there are easier ways to save money, but the reputational damage on the circuit of sports and coaching agents is alarmingly bad, if RU goes this route....a friend of mine is well aware of all if this and is friends with one of the RU assistant coaches, they have already known about this for awhile and yet, we have these postings seemingly with intent to help, but clearly don't do anything but more damage....which really doesn't help RU's cause, our schools reputation, and actually costs RU more money to hire a replacement down the road....OR eliminates potential coaches that need to sell security to the assistant coaches they want to bring with them, since they will ask for more money than they are worth.
From a football perspective, we should be rooting for 5-7 and moderate changes and keeping the Russo, Pollock, Sneed and others intact because the pool of candidates is cheaper for everyone next year and it keeps an impact class intact.
If I were a potential coach here, even if this were my dream job and I would do it for free, I would absolutely hold Rutgers over the coals when negotiating my contract and would bring up all the dirt and say that I need to be compensated for working in what has proven to be a very toxic environment.
(** I say the following with ALL due respect, my friend):
So you want Flood back just to "save" a few kids? No thanks. Plus, didn't Pollock and Sneed already sign their grants? Yes, they did, hence, either, if deciding to transfer, would lose their RS year - 2 years if transferring to a B1G school - correct? I doubt either are going anywhere, if Flood is fired, otherwise why would they have signed their grants knowing full-well what is currently going on?
..and since when is a class that will land in the 45-50 range - hopefully - an "impact" one?
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Actually, AYN, they signed financial need papers to enroll early. They are not obligated to sign on LOI day but RU is obligated to honor their commitment. Its a one way street in this case, in the recruits' favor.
That second video is oddly mesmerizing. Seriously. I'm having a hard time looking away.
According to this it keeps him from signing with any B1G school, other than Rutgers, without losing 2 years. Does it not keep him from signing with non-B1G schools for a year, as well, are you sure?
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...nebacker_commit_jonathan_pollock_signs_b.html
BTW - IMHO, you're coming here to play for Rutgers, not just Flood, so if you don't want to be here, see ya', regardless.
That may be a B1G rule that I was unaware of but by NCAA rules, he is not obligated to sign with RU and doesn't lose a year of eligibility and doesn't need to redshirt if he signs elsewhere.
In the my best Ivan Drago voice...
If they leave, they leave.
You can't worry about it.
If they leave, they leave.
You can't worry about it.
Okay, but like I said, there is no way in hell we should keep Flood to save 1 or 2 kids, let alone THIS class, sorry.
I must be misconstruing what you are saying here... please clarify because it seems like you feel that our fanbase priding itself of solid academics is wrong in some way; that you are saying that valuing a student athlete's education is wrong. I know I am not reading an opinion that states that we need to let go of solid academics to have a solid football team. If you can't pass Dance Appreciation, you should not have gotten into Rutgers in the first place.
Yeah, if you're going to keep a coach to save a class, you do it for a top-10 one, not one that is barely a top-50 class. I'm not sure how this class all of a sudden became one that is going to save the program. And we'll lose kids from this class regardless of whether Flood stays or goes. I hate to say it, but for a lot of commits, we're their best option. The ones who have options have been looking around, and will continue to.
We tried the whole "hire a coach to save a recruiting class" thing already. That worked out great, though I'm having trouble remembering that coach's name. Maybe we can hire him?
I agree Nuts. I made the mistake of supporting the Flood hire to save our class at that time, certainly not now.
Pretty sure he is saying the ball has been dropped on academics more than we realize and therefore we will be disappointed.
I don't think he is saying that we were wrong as a fan base to want the football players to be true student-athletes, but that we are likely to be let down by the reality.
Agreed.
I suspect that bringing in a new and enthusiastic head coach that can change the mood around the program will be as helpful, if not more, than having Flood around. Whatever 'stain' he had has to be coming off anyway after this disaster of a season.
Kids always give the new guy an opportunity, and if we hire the right person, I'm guessing we do fine.
This has been a pretty awesome thread. Since we're talking about changing coaches (there are other threads naming preferences), my only concern with hiring a young coach, especially with no HC experience, is how he will fill out his staff. Younger guys don't usually have the networking needed to hire well established coordinators and assistants. Egos prevent some of them with working with younger unproven HC's. Schiano had some of those problems early on (besides micromanaging issues).
Don't know how anyone could have thought you meant anything else? Sad if true when report comes out.
Cuanto Cuesta how much for a new staff?
Perhaps $5-7 million or more depending on who the coach/staff are? I'm Sure in this Market the price will certainly go up..
Any donor/s who are willing to cut this check (since we have such great trac record with that) are going to wanna bring in their own guy..
Time will tell.. "So in total" to rid of the olde & bring in anew will cost $____?
Perhaps $5-7 million or more depending on who the coach/staff are? I'm Sure in this Market the price will certainly go up..
Any donor/s who are willing to cut this check (since we have such great trac record with that) are going to wanna bring in their own guy..
Time will tell.. "So in total" to rid of the olde & bring in anew will cost $____?
Ed,
Whether its true or not, there have been quite a few posters (and some mods) that have said the money is there for a new coach and staff. I truly believe we're not as broke as some have made it out to be.
I respect that, in all honesty "I'll believe it when i see it"
Houston: The school’s Board of Regents has approved a raise for Tom Herman to $3 million annually with hopes of a long-term contract, according to the Houston Chronicle. Herman's current deal pays him $1.45 million annually, with a buyout of $2.25 million owed to the school if he leaves for another job. The raise will go into effect if he agrees to the deal. Will it be enough to keep Herman?
anyone who says "big time football" and, in the same breath, is seriously worried about a couple million dollars for a contract buyout has already lost their argument....
Everything most have heard is $5-5.5M for a full staff. I think that assures a younger "up-n-comer" able to hire the proper guys around him. Now, if we go higher than that, fantastic!
This... Never thought McDaniels had the resume for a P5 coordinator job, and now he's 35 making couple hundred K a year. If he wants job security, become a gym teacher and coach high school, but he'll be making a lot less (an honest living for sure). if he wants to get paid big bucks, he has to also live with the risk that he might be unemployed in a year.,
yo, I said no. I don't know. I thought you knew, no? Oh, sorry. So? Let it go, bro. Catch you on the down low. ta'morrow. Sorry, gotta go.
I have now heard the @ruhudsonfan version of events from a lot of sources. Too much smoke here...and it also the only version of events from a legal perspective that makes any sense, though I wish the ball moved faster. Counsel should have dared Flood to sue. Sad it had to come to this.
The more I learn about Flood, the more I think that he feels he's some sort of mob boss.
As I posted on Premium yesterday:
Picture you're the high school friend or family member of a Rutgers commit. You're pretty knowledgeable about CFB and have caught a couple of the last 4 Rutgers games on TV & listened to the commentators.
Friend: "hey, why did you decommit from Rutgers?"
Commit: "because they fired Kyle Flood!"
At the very least you'd have to check the kid's forehead to make sure he was feeling okay.
No, I just think he's proud and stubborn and it's going to come back and bite him in the ***. IMO he will be the football Kevin Bannon, fired from RU after doing a so-so job on the field (court) but banished to coaching obscurity.