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merrimanm

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Nope they weren't better. Mauk hadn't done anything noteworthy this year when he played. The freshman is probably better honestly. And all of USCs qbs this year are trash. They were bad then. They're Bad now. I do not think either of those teams were better when we played them earlier in the year. Because mizzou is mediocre at the very best. And USC is trash. You have no logic man none what is your issue dude do you have a love affair with stoops? Is that why you're using arguments with no valid points to try and defend him? What's your agenda sir?
And by the way, you say USC was trash with Orth. Let me remind you that they beat UNC before losing to us and losing Orth and UNC is 9-1 right now with their only loss to USC. So yes, they were a much different team with Orth and at that time they played well.
 

merrimanm

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I quit man please don't reply this argument is going nowhere you're going to continue to think this years USC team is as good as last years Florida team and there's no changing your opinion regardless of how much better last years Florida team is compared to this years USC team. You just like the UK coach you admire are trash. The picture next to your screen name screams of a man that just loves him some bad football. You have no logic EVERYONE on this board for the most part always says you're one of the less intelligent ones on here. So I'm not gonna mince myself with such odiocracy. It makes me look like an idiot for even arguing with such stupidity. So deuces man.
Funny you say that everyone on this board says I am one of the less intelligent ones here, yet you joined this past Sunday. You don't know what people say about me. And I really don't care what you or anyone else here thinks of my intelligence. Doesn't make you or them right.
 
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You defending your opinions make you look even dumber. Example. How you said I can't have it both ways by calling USC a non quality win and Florida last year a quality win. You said I can't do that. You said I can't call the Florida game a quality win and say the USC game isn't a quality win. When clearly Florida was way better last year. So dude defend your opinions all you want you're going to look less and less intelligent the more you. Point is I'm done with you you have no logic you have zero reason. USC this year is NOT a quality win. And if we beaten Florida it WOULD have been a quality win. No such thing as having it both ways USC this year is trash. Florida last year was decent. So as I said a million times there's no co prison in the quality of the 2 wins had we beaten Florida last year. Absolutely no comparison whatsoever.
 

merrimanm

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Well if they had beaten us 30 straight years and had gone 4-8 I would've said no it's not a quality win. But the fact is they were 7-5. The fact of the matter remains the same. You said I can't have it both ways by saying I can't call this years win against a 3-7 last place USC team a quality win. And if we beaten Florida I wouldn't be able to call that a quality win because I'm not calling USC a quality win. When USC is 3-7 and Florida was 7-5 last year so yes your argument makes zero sense.
Yes it does. You changed you stance. Big difference when you use history and then all of a sudden add another component to change your stance. Typically that happens when someone proves your first statement wrong.
 
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Funny you say that everyone on this board says I am one of the less intelligent ones here, yet you joined this past Sunday. You don't know what people say about me. And I really don't care what you or anyone else here thinks of my intelligence. Doesn't make you or them right.
When you defend you arguments that are 100% wrong. Then yes it makes all of us right. No one here likes to discuss football with you because you're the biggest unrealistic homer there is. I've been following these boards for awhile and definitely have noticed how no one values your opinion here. And I'm no longer going to pretend to myself. It's pointless. This years USC team = trash. Last years Florida team was a bowl team. So had we beaten Florida I could have called it a quality win. And at the same damn time. I can call this years USC win a non quality win. No having it both ways because you can't compre this years trash USC team to last years Florida team. No comparison. Not gonna pretend to care about what you say it makes me feel dumber reading the stuff. Bye
 

merrimanm

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You defending your opinions make you look even dumber. Example. How you said I can't have it both ways by calling USC a non quality win and Florida last year a quality win. You said I can't do that. You said I can't call the Florida game a quality win and say the USC game isn't a quality win. When clearly Florida was way better last year. So dude defend your opinions all you want you're going to look less and less intelligent the more you. Point is I'm done with you you have no logic you have zero reason. USC this year is NOT a quality win. And if we beaten Florida it WOULD have been a quality win. No such thing as having it both ways USC this year is trash. Florida last year was decent. So as I said a million times there's no co prison in the quality of the 2 wins had we beaten Florida last year. Absolutely no comparison whatsoever.
No, continuing to try to prove your point by repeating the same "example" makes you look ignorant. How many posts have you made about the USC Uf thing? I have explained that ten times now. You just can't comprehend things you read apparently.
 
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Yes it does. You changed you stance. Big difference when you use history and then all of a sudden add another component to change your stance. Typically that happens when someone proves your first statement wrong.
YOU are the one who used history by saying its a quality win because they're historically better than us. I'm the one who said history doesn't matter when your evaluating a programs current team. I didn't bring history into the equation. You did! Jesus efdignchrist man give it up you're wrong.
 

merrimanm

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When you defend you arguments that are 100% wrong. Then yes it makes all of us right. No one here likes to discuss football with you because you're the biggest unrealistic homer there is. I've been following these boards for awhile and definitely have noticed how no one values your opinion here. And I'm no longer going to pretend to myself. It's pointless. This years USC team = trash. Last years Florida team was a bowl team. So had we beaten Florida I could have called it a quality win. And at the same damn time. I can call this years USC win a non quality win. No having it both ways because you can't compre this years trash USC team to last years Florida team. No comparison. Not gonna pretend to care about what you say it makes me feel dumber reading the stuff. Bye
Ok we got you on the UF USC thing. Get over it. And there are plenty of people who talk football with me. But even if they didn't, I really don't give a piss.
 

merrimanm

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YOU are the one who used history by saying its a quality win because they're historically better than us. I'm the one who said history doesn't matter when your evaluating a programs current team. I didn't bring history into the equation. You did! Jesus efdignchrist man give it up you're wrong.
You are right. That is exactly how it went. Then I followed by asking you if beating a mediocre UF team would have been a quality win last year and you said yes, because they have beaten us 30 years in a row. That is using history to justify a quality win. So again, you just admitted to contradicting yourself.
 
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You didn't get anyone. Read post number 63 where you clearly state last years UF team is as good as this years USC team. You're the one with zero comprehension skills.
 
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You are right. That is exactly how it went. Then I followed by asking you if beating a mediocre UF team would have been a quality win last year and you said yes, because they have beaten us 30 years in a row. That is using history to justify a quality win. So again, you just admitted to contradicting yourself.
I used that as part of the reason. But my main point was that they were 7-5 is why I stated they would have been a quality win. Again. In post number 63 you state that this years USC team is as good as last years Florida team. You did say that. Which is dumb as hell. And if you can't admit that. Then there's no hope.
 
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Your words in post number 63

We have awful losing streaks to many SEC team. UGA, MSU, and UT being 3 of them. But UF was about as good as USC and Mizzou this year. So beating a UF team that is equivalent to this years USC and Mizz team would have been a quality win, but not those that they are equivalent to? Doesn't make sense. And don't give me the losing streak, because in that same post you called me dumb for using our history as a reason for losing to them. So again, which isit?
 

merrimanm

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I'll leave it at that. No need for more to discuss this anymore
And what was the first sentence in that post? I said, "we have awful losing streaks to many SEC teams." So the comment of they are as good, I am obviously referring to the quality of win due to the HISTORY, not the records of the team.
 
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Another post proving your hypocrisy

No...I said for the 1 millionth time...that they were equivalent!! Not just as good. Equivalent. As in to US beating a team that has been whipping our tails every year is a quality win. So if UF would have been a quality win because of that, then USC last year and this year is to according to your own admission.
And what was the first sentence in that post? I said, "we have awful losing streaks to many SEC teams." So the comment of they are as good, I am obviously referring to the quality of win due to the HISTORY, not the records of the team.
Lol I'm laughing my *** off over here. you said beating a UF team that's EQUIVALENT to this years mizzou and USC teams were your words. Then at the end of the post you said don't give me history. As in you weren't talking about history when comparing those teams. You need help man? Because in the post I put in bold. You even state that you're not referring to history in that post. You said that Florida team was equal to THIS YEARS USC and mizzou teams. Which has nothing to do with you reffwring to history?
 
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We have awful losing streaks to many SEC team. UGA, MSU, and UT being 3 of them. But UF was about as good as USC and Mizzou this year. So beating a UF team that is equivalent to this years USC and Mizz team would have been a quality win, but not those that they are equivalent to? Doesn't make sense. And don't give me the losing streak, because in that same post you called me dumb for using our history as a reason for losing to them. So again, which isit?
 
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No merriman in that post you were referring to the individual teams. I mean those are your words. You couldn't have made them more clear. And you couldn't have proved yourself anymore wrong. I didn't even have to do it you did it to yourself.
 

merrimanm

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We have awful losing streaks to many SEC team. UGA, MSU, and UT being 3 of them. But UF was about as good as USC and Mizzou this year. So beating a UF team that is equivalent to this years USC and Mizz team would have been a quality win, but not those that they are equivalent to? Doesn't make sense. And don't give me the losing streak, because in that same post you called me dumb for using our history as a reason for losing to them. So again, which isit?
You really can't comprehend things. I said you couldn't use history because that was your previous argument. As you already have proven, I was the first to say history is a part of it. And you said it wasn't, until I used the UF reference.
 

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You're the one that said we're improving every year since stoops has been here when we're 4-12 in our last 16 games with zero quality wins. And you tried to call mizzou and usc quality wins? Yes you have no credibility you stuck by joker too the end. And please stop making excuses for stoops. You haven't seen a coach in your time make as many errors as stoops because I forsure as hell haven't. You're so young minded it's hilarious. Your excuse for stoops is all coaches make mistake? Really now? Name me 3 coaches that make more mistakes than stoops on a every game basis? You just can't do it man. Your excuse for stoops making 20 mistakes every game can't be everyone makes mistakes is it? That seriously can't be your logic there's just no way. Everyone makes mistake yes. No one make 5% of the mistake stoops makes. Is this mark stoops I'm talking to? Must be you have as many excuses for stoops as stoops has for himself. That's unbelievable. Considering everyone knows you here as the guy that stuck by joker til the very end. Means you have zero credibility sorry to break it to you kid.
I really hate to get in this pissing match, but I most. I disagree with merrimanm more than I agree with him, but so much of what you are saying is stupid, the gin has convinced me to hop in. First of all, if Stoops makes 20 mistakes a game, and no one makes 5% of the mistakes he makes, that means everyone else is perfect. I really hate people that suck at math. While Missouri isn't a top 25 win, for Kentucky standards it is a good win. They have a good defense and played Georgia better than we did. More than math errors, I get frustrated by people that smart off for the sake of smarting off.

I've been very critical of our team and culture this year. I am honestly tired of losing. But, I don't make **** up, screw the numbers up, and smart off just to smart off, which you obviously do. I'm not really sure what my point is other than I'm tired of losing, and am quite honestly tired of most of our fans. You don't have to lie and say we are good or lie and say we are the worst team in the world to be a UK fan. It is like politics. Everyone doesn't have to be far right or far left when most people are really in the middle. Some of us just love this University, love our teams, and want them to succeed. We get frustrated, but we support, with our time and our money.
 
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I really hate to get in this pissing match, but I most. I disagree with merrimanm more than I agree with him, but so much of what you are saying is stupid, the gin has convinced me to hop in. First of all, if Stoops makes 20 mistakes a game, and no one makes 5% of the mistakes he makes, that means everyone else is perfect. I really hate people that suck at math. While Missouri isn't a top 25 win, for Kentucky standards it is a good win. They have a good defense and played Georgia better than we did. More than math errors, I get frustrated by people that smart off for the sake of smarting off.

I've been very critical of our team and culture this year. I am honestly tired of losing. But, I don't make **** up, screw the numbers up, and smart off just to smart off, which you obviously do. I'm not really sure what my point is other than I'm tired of losing, and am quite honestly tired of most of our fans. You don't have to lie and say we are good or lie and say we are the worst team in the world to be a UK fan. It is like politics. Everyone doesn't have to be far right or far left when most people are really in the middle. Some of us just love this University, love our teams, and want them to succeed. We get frustrated, but we support, with our time and our money.
Read my last post where I underlined what he is claiming he never said. Obviously the kid is delusional. Why justify that?
 
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You really can't comprehend things. I said you couldn't use history because that was your previous argument. As you already have proven, I was the first to say history is a part of it. And you said it wasn't, until I used the UF reference.
Your words merriman. Are that USC this year is equivalent to Floridas team last year. The only point im getting at here is that that's not true. That's all I've been trying to prove. Because it's a fact. This years USC team is not as good as last years Florida team. Which you clearly stated they are equivalent in the post I have in bold.
 

merrimanm

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Read my last post where I underlined what he is claiming he never said. Obviously the kid is delusional. Why justify that?
First, I am not a kid. Secondly, most anyone who will read those posts will be able to comprehend that I used history as to why they are quality wins and you said that history was dumb to use. Then said that if we beat UF last year, then it would have been a quality win because they have beaten us 30 years in a row.
My equivalent was on the history side as I stated many times. In the last underlined part, I informed you that you could not use history as a response to my post.
 

merrimanm

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Your words merriman. Are that USC this year is equivalent to Floridas team last year. The only point im getting at here is that that's not true. That's all I've been trying to prove. Because it's a fact. This years USC team is not as good as last years Florida team. Which you clearly stated they are equivalent in the post I have in bold.
Equivalent in the HISTORY of them having long streaks against us, NOT the record. I have stated that many times. Yet that is all you can point to. When reading a paragraph supporting sentences are key to the main message. Just saying.
 
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First, I am not a kid. Secondly, most anyone who will read those posts will be able to comprehend that I used history as to why they are quality wins and you said that history was dumb to use. Then said that if we beat UF last year, then it would have been a quality win because they have beaten us 30 years in a row.
My equivalent was on the history side as I stated many times. In the last underlined part, I informed you that you could not use history as a response to my post.
You said merriman. That LAST YEARS Florida team. Is equivalent to THIS YEARS USC team. Then stated how could one be a quality win then not the other since both teams are equal? I DID mention that Florida has had our number. That was PART of my reasoning. But my MAIN POINT is that last years Florida team Is way better than this years USC team. USC has never had our number near the same way as Florida which is true. But what else is also true. Is that you stated last years Florida team is equal to this years USC team. Which is why you claimed they would both be quality wins. Because both team are equal and you told me how could I call one a quality win and not the other if they're just as good. And my point was because Florida last year was way better than USC this year. Everyone reading these posts know you're wrong as far as this specific arguement goes once they read the message I put in bold. I'm done I'm done man bye. Please someone come here and point out this man is a talking hypocrite cuz I can't do it anymore.
 
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In the post you said beating a UF TEAM that's equal to the USC team. Clearly stating that you were talking about the specific teams. And not history. You're beyond repair just wish someone would come here and back me on this so you would stop posting all this dumb chit that you're posting.
 

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If Saban was coaching this UK team, he'd have a decade to build it. He's easily one of the best five CFB coaches and along with Meyer is the top two, however you want to slice it. I'd also give Meyer a decade. Assuming they are the current version, not the starter version. Stoops doesn't have that legacy, he's the starter one. I'd consider him to be a RS sophomore this season. He's done some valuable things assisting with fundraising for the new facilities, pushing for them as a part of the hire. Recruited off the charts, by UK standards. Teams play hard, fast starts.
Ad then we get to the midpoint of the season and we fall apart. So that's what you're betting on with the starter version. The question is do you believe he will Be able to find the early season version 8,9,10 games of the 12 or is he just stuck on 5 or 6 and won't get over the hump.
 

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You said merriman. That LAST YEARS Florida team. Is equivalent to THIS YEARS USC team. Then stated how could one be a quality win then not the other since both teams are equal? I DID mention that Florida has had our number. That was PART of my reasoning. But my MAIN POINT is that last years Florida team Is way better than this years USC team. USC has never had our number near the same way as Florida which is true. But what else is also true. Is that you stated last years Florida team is equal to this years USC team. Which is why you claimed they would both be quality wins. Because both team are equal and you told me how could I call one a quality win and not the other if they're just as good. And my point was because Florida last year was way better than USC this year. Everyone reading these posts know you're wrong as far as this specific arguement goes once they read the message I put in bold. I'm done I'm done man bye. Please someone come here and point out this man is a talking hypocrite cuz I can't do it anymore.
If I declare you the winner of this pissing match will you shut up?
 
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Equivalent in the HISTORY of them having long streaks against us, NOT the record. I have stated that many times. Yet that is all you can point to. When reading a paragraph supporting sentences are key to the main message. Just saying.
CAN YOU READ!??? You said merriman. That beating a UF TEAM. Clearly meaning team and not programs history. That's equal to this years USC TEAM. Clearly meaning this years USC team not the program's history. Oh you were talking about the long losing streak that this years USC team put us thru? They beat us 10 times in a row this year forgot about that man that's why you mentioned the specific TEAM. And not the program's history? Ok merriman
 
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Can you agree th
If I declare you the winner of this pissing match will you shut up?
can you truly agree that in that specific post that I put in bold he was clearly talking about the specific teams and not the program's history's? Then yes I can. But you do know that in that post I put in bold. He was clearly talking about last years Florida team and this years USC team right? Like he clearly states that. And not the program's history's right? Is the guy not off his wagon right now?
 
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The guy tries to insult my reading comprehension. And the guy can't even comprehend his own post? It's pathetic man I'm just annoyed over here.
 

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I get the feeling that their is a double standard because Stoops is a first time coach. If Saban was at UK and if he had the same record would these fans still be asking for Sabans head? Would they be saying he needs more time, he needs better recruits, he needs to create depth to be successful in the SEC? What if it was Leach, or Petrino, or any coach? What if Brooks came back and had the same record would they be given a pass?

Just wondering.

No one would.

But that is because Coach Saban has a track record of success. The expectation is realistic that he would eventually start winning.

At this point, no one knows if Coach Stoops can accurately detect talent, coach it up, and improve the underlying player. It is easy to see stars and make the comment that a 4 star player is good, but what makes him a star is the improvement through the college years.
 

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Schnellenberger went 2-9, 3-8 and 3-7-1 in his first three seasons at UofL.

But those were improvements over the previous years. We were worse than bad. Prior to Coach Schnellenberger's arrival there were serious talks of not fielding a team.