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[Flie_rivals154594]

It’s cherry picking to just use Biden’s last two years. He inherited a market that climbed from 2500 to 3800+ in the 3 quarters leading up to his inauguration. The market was then basically flat for two entire years. It was a horrible stretch of returns.

S&P is up from ~5800 to 7500 since Jan 2025, or about 29%.

Year	Return
2020	+18.4%

Period	S&P 500 Return
Biden (2023)	+26.3% [us500.com]
Biden (2024)	+25.0% [broadway.bank], [us500.com]
Biden last two full years combined	~57.8% cumulative (1.263 × 1.250 − 1) [us500.com], [broadway.bank]
Trump 2nd term (Jan 20, 2025 to Aug 2026)	~23.8% since taking office

Quite the improvement.

 

[fatpiggy]

As I was saying yesterday, if Oil resolves itself to $70-$75 a barrel or lower, this market is primed at the pump and will take off like a Starship rocket. Earnings are looking like they are coming in H.O.T.

@RagnarLothbrok err shortcok is not going to like this.


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[scotchtiger]

Year	Return
2020	+18.4%

Period	S&P 500 Return
Biden (2023)	+26.3% [us500.com]
Biden (2024)	+25.0% [broadway.bank], [us500.com]
Biden last two full years combined	~57.8% cumulative (1.263 × 1.250 − 1) [us500.com], [broadway.bank]
Trump 2nd term (Jan 20, 2025 to Aug 2026)	~23.8% since taking office

Quite the improvement.

Still cherry picking. You are ignoring his first 2 years, which were basically flat. And you can’t blame Trump for that. The market ripped back up in the 3 quarters leading up to Biden’s inauguration. In fact, Biden was in office for a full year prior to 2022, which saw the worst S&P returns since the 2008 financial crisis.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

As I was saying yesterday, if Oil resolves itself to $70-$75 a barrel or lower, this market is primed at the pump and will take off like a Starship rocket. Earnings are looking like they are coming in H.O.T.

@RagnarLothbrok err shortcok is not going to like this.


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I’m not gay and I will not date you.

Again, you’re a f#cking idiot who can’t read.

Stop wasting everyone’s time.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

Still cherry picking. You are ignoring his first 2 years, which were basically flat. And you can’t blame Trump for that. The market ripped back up in the 3 quarters leading up to Biden’s inauguration. In fact, Biden was in office for a full year prior to 2022, which saw the worst S&P returns since the 2008 financial crisis.

2022 was the peak of the pandemic recovery. Was it 2021 that saw the "worst S&P returns since the 2008 financial crisis"?


Trump First Term (2017-2020)

Year	S&P 500 Return
2017	+21.8%
2018	-4.4%
2019	+31.5%
2020	+18.4%

Biden Administration (2021-2024)

Year	S&P 500 Return
2021	+28.7%
2022	-18.1%
2023	+26.3%
2024	+25.0%

Note the big improvement:

Trump Second Term (2025-Present)

Year	S&P 500 Return
2025	+17.9%
2026	+10.1% YTD (through July 31, 2026)

 

[scotchtiger]

2022 was the peak of the pandemic recovery. Was it 2021 that saw the "worst S&P returns since the 2008 financial crisis"?


Trump First Term (2017-2020)

Year	S&P 500 Return
2017	+21.8%
2018	-4.4%
2019	+31.5%
2020	+18.4%

Biden Administration (2021-2024)

Year	S&P 500 Return
2021	+28.7%
2022	-18.1%
2023	+26.3%
2024	+25.0%

Note the big improvement:

Trump Second Term (2025-Present)

Year	S&P 500 Return
2025	+17.9%
2026	+10.1% YTD (through July 31, 2026)

I don’t understand your question.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

I don’t understand your question.

" Biden was in office for a full year prior to 2022, which saw the worst S&P returns since the 2008 financial crisis."

Maybe I misinterpreted this. I read it as you pointing out that Biden was in office a year prior to 2022, which (that year) saw the worst S&P returns yada yada.

Guessing you meant 2022 saw the worst returns. 2021 had great returns, along with 2023 and 2024.

 

[scotchtiger]

" Biden was in office for a full year prior to 2022, which saw the worst S&P returns since the 2008 financial crisis."

Maybe I misinterpreted this. I read it as you pointing out that Biden was in office a year prior to 2022, which (that year) saw the worst S&P returns yada yada.

Guessing you meant 2022 saw the worst returns. 2021 had great returns, along with 2023 and 2024.

Yep, correct. He was in seat for a full year prior to 2022. And then 2022 had the worst returns (-18%) since the 2008 financial crisis. That contributed to essentially a flat market for Biden's first 2 years, despite the market being on the upswing when he took office. We can't ignore that and just give him credit for his final 2 years like you and @dpic73 seem to be trying to do.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

Yep, correct. He was in seat for a full year prior to 2022. And then 2022 had the worst returns (-18%) since the 2008 financial crisis. That contributed to essentially a flat market for Biden's first 2 years, despite the market being on the upswing when he took office. We can't ignore that and just give him credit for his final 2 years like you and @dpic73 seem to be trying to do.

Nobody ignores it. We just disagree on the reasons that it happened.

I believe that 2022 would have experienced similar results if Trump had been in office. MAGAs think otherwise.

MAGAs ignore the post 2022 recovery and also seem to ignore that things were better in 2024 than they are now. Shouldn't you all expect to see improvement from Biden's last two years through now? i.e. cheaper gas, lower inflation, cheaper groceries, better market growth etc.....

I mean sure, when your data points are limited to:

• June 2022 (Biden - peak inflation rate, gas prices)
• Today (Trump)

Hey look, things got better!!

 

[dpic73]

It’s cherry picking to just use Biden’s last two years. He inherited a market that climbed from 2500 to 3800+ in the 3 quarters leading up to his inauguration. The market was then basically flat for two entire years. It was a horrible stretch of returns.

S&P is up from ~5800 to 7500 since Jan 2025, or about 29%.

Well sure it is and it was intentional. Can you guess why?

 

[scotchtiger]

Nobody ignores it. We just disagree on the reasons that it happened.

I believe that 2022 would have experienced similar results if Trump had been in office. MAGAs think otherwise.

MAGAs ignore the post 2022 recovery and also seem to ignore that things were better in 2024 than they are now. Shouldn't you all expect to see improvement from Biden's last two years through now? i.e. cheaper gas, lower inflation, cheaper groceries, better market growth etc.....

I mean sure, when your data points are limited to:

• June 2022 (Biden - peak inflation rate, gas prices)
• Today (Trump)

Hey look, things got better!!

Well, I'm not MAGA. I disagree with Trump on a lot of things and think he's made unnecessary missteps that have hurt the economy. I also think that Biden injected unnecessary capital into the market in 2021 that helped fuel inflation, which contributed materially to the 2022 market decline. I believe both are bad presidents.

 

[r_desihawk]

This was one of the worst Julys for the market in a long time.

This market is primed at the pump for the 2nd half the year.

nobody with a brain would make that post without actually accomplishing something unless ulterior motives are at play and trump isn't dumb...

 

[fatpiggy]

nobody with a brain would make that post without actually accomplishing something unless ulterior motives are at play and trump isn't dumb...

He knows he can end Iran easily. However, 1) it won't be popular with Iranians or Americans 2) It will tank the economy and markets.

Trump is kind of trapped and hence why he is "desperate" for a deal. There is no public appetite for the war in the US. A ground invasion or other bad press would tank the economy, and we all know how sensitive he is to the economy.

But we already know that Trump uses his Truth Social account as a bully pulpit. He definitely uses it for propaganda too.

 

[PedMaller]

I have to laugh when I see magas chest thumping over 401k growth.

I have to laugh when I see libtards whining that more successful Republicans have skyrocketing investments…..while your SNAP benefits are getting reduced.

 

[PedMaller]

Should be measured from Nov 2024 not 2025. The gains from Nov 2024 to Jan 2025 were due to Trump winning election, not due to Biden admin policies.

The Trump Bump was YUGE!

 

[fatpiggy]

The Trump Bump was YUGE!

Just look at the chart on election night and the day after.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

I have to laugh when I see libtards whining that more successful Republicans have skyrocketing investments…..while your SNAP benefits are getting reduced.

Bless your heart. More successful..... lol.

Yep I'm just here on welfare just like the faux news told you.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

The Trump Bump was YUGE!

Strange that the rate of growth is subpar since then. Bigly.

 

[PedMaller]

Bless your heart. More successful..... lol.

Yep I'm just here on welfare just like the faux news told you.

Then why do you retards keep pushing for higher taxes (from those of us that already pay the most) to support ever expanding welfare programs for lazy grifters?

 

[baltimorened]

Well sure it is and it was intentional. Can you guess why?

to make all of us richer?

 

[GesterHawk]

I assume because what you said was funny.

For one "soaring" is not reality. You work for an investment firm and know the market is currently wobbly.

Second, since you work for an investment firm, you know 401ks are not portable, right?
Say dpic works for FedEx, he is not able to just "change investment firms" because the firm he is forced to use is dictated by FedEx, not him.

I am not sure why I am telling you things you clearly know, because, again, you work for an investment firm. And I believe you.

Stop yelling at the janitor.

 

[GesterHawk]

This was one of the worst Julys for the market in a long time.

This market is primed at the pump for the 2nd half the year.

Is Iran still claiming that this is false?
If so, yippee for market manipulation, I guess.

 

[fatpiggy]

Is Iran still claiming that this is false?
If so, yippee for market manipulation, I guess.

Who knows at this point.

 

[fatpiggy]

401k Smashing through all time highs today. I would just like to thank President Trump for making these economic conditions possible.

 

[PedMaller]

401k Smashing through all time highs today. I would just like to thank President Trump for making these economic conditions possible.

SPY to all-time high of 768 & climbing!

So…..much…….winning!!!!!

 

[Fac]

Thank you President Trump!!!

 

[PedMaller]

Dow at yet ANOTHER all-time high ending over 54k. Life is good for those of us who have worked hard & invested wisely.

Libtards make sure to include your daddy Trump in your prayers tonight for making this happen!

 

[fatpiggy]

Where are all the doomers from 3 days ago

With oil under $75 this economy is going to be

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

Then why do you retards keep pushing for higher taxes (from those of us that already pay the most) to support ever expanding welfare programs for lazy grifters?

Why do you contards keep voting for the side that delivers inferior economic results? Measurably/consistently.

I prefer what works vs what doesn't.

 

[Tenacious E_rivals41982]

The market is a zigzagging line - I hope it keeps going up and to the right - regardless of who is office.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

Dow at yet ANOTHER all-time high ending over 54k. Life is good for those of us who have worked hard & invested wisely.

Libtards make sure to include your daddy Trump in your prayers tonight for making this happen!

All time highs you say? Wow! So very rare, only your daddy Trump can do it!

Well, let me check for years with all time highs in the stock market since 1980 just be sure. I know I know.... why check in with objective reality when we have Trump Truths but bear with me here.

Wait a minute. Apparently, all-time highs happen almost every year. Well, except for the Bush years.

Years since 1980 with all-time high stock markets:

1980s

• 1980
• 1981
• 1982
• 1983
• 1984
• 1985
• 1986
• 1987
• 1989

1990s

• 1990
• 1991
• 1992
• 1993
• 1994
• 1995
• 1996
• 1997
• 1998
• 1999

2000s

• 2000
• 2007

2010s

• 2013
• 2014
• 2015
• 2016
• 2017
• 2018
• 2019

2020s

• 2020
• 2021
• 2022
• 2023
• 2024
• 2025
• 2026

The metric to actually brag about (and the one that actually affects 401ks etc...) would be percent growth.

This is what the S&P500 would look like had we sustained the 2023-2024 market growth vs the actual growth:




But hey, all-time highs!!!!

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

Where are all the doomers from 3 days ago

With oil under $75 this economy is going to be

They'll be back in a few days when the market shifts again.

 

[fatpiggy]

They'll be back in a few days when the market shifts again.

Gonna have to go at least 5% down to get back to their levels. 5% in 3 days!!!

 

[fatpiggy]

I bought some oil at $76 as a hedge. Hope i lose money on it.

 

[fatpiggy]

All time highs you say? Wow! So very rare, only your daddy Trump can do it!

Well, let me check for years with all time highs in the stock market since 1980 just be sure. I know I know.... why check in with objective reality when we have Trump Truths but bear with me here.

Wait a minute. Apparently, all-time highs happen almost every year. Well, except for the Bush years.

Years since 1980 with all-time high stock markets:

1980s

• 1980
• 1981
• 1982
• 1983
• 1984
• 1985
• 1986
• 1987
• 1989

1990s

• 1990
• 1991
• 1992
• 1993
• 1994
• 1995
• 1996
• 1997
• 1998
• 1999

2000s

• 2000
• 2007

2010s

• 2013
• 2014
• 2015
• 2016
• 2017
• 2018
• 2019

2020s

• 2020
• 2021
• 2022
• 2023
• 2024
• 2025
• 2026

The metric to actually brag about (and the one that actually affects 401ks etc...) would be percent growth.

This is what the S&P500 would look like had we sustained the 2023-2024 market growth vs the actual growth:

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But hey, all-time highs!!!!

You and Fagnar were just talking about the economy collapsing 2-3 days ago

Fagnar dumped all his stocks on the low.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

You and Fagnar were just talking about the economy collapsing 2-3 days ago

Fagnar dumped all his stocks on the low.

Do you have a quote of me talking about the economy collapsing?

 

[fatpiggy]

Do you have a quote of me talking about the economy collapsing?

You just go around and like all the doomer posts and laugh at my posts saying the economy isn't that bad and is primed at the pump. You can't deny it.

 

[Finance85]

Comparatively speaking, a POTUS has the ability to do more harm than good when it comes to influencing the markets. Though it's impossible to know what might have happened, we can see what does happen based on specific market reactions to events. Tariffs and the Trump war on Iran are examples.

If we truly want prosperity we need to shrink the federal government, starting with drastic cuts to the defense budget, and then welfare transfer payments to states. Welfare should be a state function.

Republicans in Congress have lost the right to talk about fiscal responsibility. They have had 2 chances under Trump to cut annual spending, and have actually increased it, especially military spending. Just think what kind of economy we could have.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

You just go around and like all the doomer posts and laugh at my posts saying the economy isn't that bad and is primed at the pump. You can't deny it.

So I wasn't talking about the economy collapsing? It takes a lot to "collapse" the US economy. I don't believe that will happen under Trump's watch.

I regularly point out that things haven't improved since Trump took over. Inflation is up, prices are up, new wars, lower market growth etc...

Things aren't horrible right now but trending in the wrong direction for the supposed savior of America and the MAGAs that gleefully/smugly voted him in.

I laugh at the TDS afflicted people who think that things are going great and getting better. That's delusional and I find it amusing. I fully admit to doing that. No denial.

 

[fatpiggy]

So I wasn't talking about the economy collapsing? It takes a lot to "collapse" the US economy. I don't believe that will happen under Trump's watch.

I regularly point out that things haven't improved since Trump took over. Inflation is up, prices are up, new wars, lower market growth etc...

Things aren't horrible right now but trending in the wrong direction for the supposed savior of America and the MAGAs that gleefully/smugly voted him in.

I laugh at the TDS afflicted people who think that things are going great and getting better. That's delusional and I find it amusing. I fully admit to doing that. No denial.

Inflation is up from where? Not up from the biden admin that's for sure.

If you want low inflation, you should thank Trump.

I am putting it in writing right now, you won't even broach the topic of inflation in the weeks leading up to mid-terms.

The economy is trending in the right direction and will explode as long as oil stays below the $75 mark long term.