FSU Good ‘Ol Boy Network

rpd10 said:

So when Jimbo left for Texas A&M, he mentioned that FSU wouldn’t give him what he wanted, which were upgraded facilities as the time. I dismissed this as just sour grapes because he ultimately failed after winning a natty in 2013. But then FSU went and hired Taggart, which was a direct reflection of their poor decision making. And then they hired Norvell and gave him an extension that has locked him in for the foreseeable future. At what point are we going to admit that maybe Jimbo was right and our football program is led by morons with no accountability to making bad decision after bad decision?

Jimbo could’ve been right and gone about it the wrong way. We’ve had systemic changes done pos Jimbo. And the people Jimbo fought are all gone now.

rpcfsu said:

Jimbo could’ve been right and gone about it the wrong way. We’ve had systemic changes done pos Jimbo. And the people Jimbo fought are all gone now.

Same money people pulling strings with boosters. It’s a culture, not individual people. People in Tallahassee think they know what’s better than people in Baton Rouge, Athens, or Tuscaloosa

Tallahassee can’t decide what its identity is.

Sorry - but I don't buy that the scenario we are in has anything to do with a "Good ‘Ol Boy Network" - Alford, Ponder, and McCullough are anything but the Good Ol'Boys we used to have - and for 2 of those three the results are WORSE. (Still think McCullough is a great President for our University as a whole - just hope he isn't trying to pull strings in athletics)

rpd10 said:

So when Jimbo left for Texas A&M, he mentioned that FSU wouldn’t give him what he wanted, which were upgraded facilities at the time. I dismissed this as just sour grapes because he ultimately failed after winning a natty in 2013. But then FSU went and hired Taggart, which was a direct reflection of their poor decision making. And then they hired Norvell and gave him an extension that has locked him in for the foreseeable future. At what point are we going to admit that maybe Jimbo was right and our football program is led by morons with no accountability to making bad decision after bad decision?

I agree, as that’s how things have been done in Tally for decades, in my experience. But at this point I think it’s less a “Good Ole Boy” network and more of an “Oblivious Boy and Girl” network. I was hoping the BOT under Collins’ leadership would step in and right the FSU ship with or without our journeyman AD who has no connection to FSU. But, nope. This is obviously over their heads.

jimbo quit. simple as that. jumbo was never told no to ANYTHING! His current lie which you seem to have fallen for was he wasn't given what was needed, he says this to be more hire-able bc he wants to get back into coaching.....I said way back then, "not today and probably not tomorrow, but the day will come where Jimbo will regret he left us".....well turns out that day is here.

rpd10 said:

So when Jimbo left for Texas A&M, he mentioned that FSU wouldn’t give him what he wanted, which were upgraded facilities at the time. I dismissed this as just sour grapes because he ultimately failed after winning a natty in 2013. But then FSU went and hired Taggart, which was a direct reflection of their poor decision making. And then they hired Norvell and gave him an extension that has locked him in for the foreseeable future. At what point are we going to admit that maybe Jimbo was right and our football program is led by morons with no accountability to making bad decision after bad decision?

FSU at no time refused to give him what he wanted. That is Jimbo lying. What FSU did tell him is we don't have the money for it and we have to fundraise for it and it will take quite some time. Jimbo refused to help fundraise for items like an FOF, which meant they weren't getting donations for it at the time. They also presented him a couple of options with different anticipated completion schedules and Jimbo said he wanted the most expensive one but done faster than the cheapest option. Jimbo also incorrectly believed that the College Town money could have spent on all the football stuff he wanted. Should FSU have emphasized what Jimbo wanted more? Absolutely. Under the best of circumstances would it have ever been done as quickly as Jimbo wanted? Nope.

rpd10 said:

So when Jimbo left for Texas A&M, he mentioned that FSU wouldn’t give him what he wanted, which were upgraded facilities at the time. I dismissed this as just sour grapes because he ultimately failed after winning a natty in 2013. But then FSU went and hired Taggart, which was a direct reflection of their poor decision making. And then they hired Norvell and gave him an extension that has locked him in for the foreseeable future. At what point are we going to admit that maybe Jimbo was right and our football program is led by morons with no accountability to making bad decision after bad decision?

Maybe the football program is led by morons and Jimbo was wrong and a bad coach. After all it was those “morons” that brought jimbo here and gave him the head coach spot after Bobby let go, right?

I think Jimbo was right on the need of facilities at the time. But, Jimbo also burned every bridge that could have helped him with his personality, refusal to help boosters, and we all forget that he was not winning as much towards the end. We also forget everyone wanting him to hire an OC to call plays since his offense was so bad at the end. So, what got him at A&M? Similar problems?

Jimbo was right. Some will paint an alternative picture. But he definitely wanted upgrades that for whatever reason the admin group either denied or wanted to slow roll them out. Then these same people that are trying to claim FSU was willing to give Jimbo all he wanted hired Taggert ....so on hand some want us to believe that Wilcox et al were competent and agreed with Jimbo's vision of the future of college football (which BTW was absoulute right) ageed to his demands but Jimbo left anyway??....then that same competent group (read incompetent) group hired Taggart... which IMO had the finger prints of a WIlcox DEI hire all over it.

rpd10 said:

So when Jimbo left for Texas A&M, he mentioned that FSU wouldn’t give him what he wanted, which were upgraded facilities at the time. I dismissed this as just sour grapes because he ultimately failed after winning a natty in 2013. But then FSU went and hired Taggart, which was a direct reflection of their poor decision making. And then they hired Norvell and gave him an extension that has locked him in for the foreseeable future. At what point are we going to admit that maybe Jimbo was right and our football program is led by morons with no accountability to making bad decision after bad decision?

We knew that then, and here we go again. It’s been a while since we’ve had a real AD!

I think they all know we are cooked for the foreseeable future. We are going to have to wait out the norvell contract and several more years to get out of the ACC. Would you like fries with that?

rpd10 said:

So when Jimbo left for Texas A&M, he mentioned that FSU wouldn’t give him what he wanted, which were upgraded facilities at the time. I dismissed this as just sour grapes because he ultimately failed after winning a natty in 2013. But then FSU went and hired Taggart, which was a direct reflection of their poor decision making. And then they hired Norvell and gave him an extension that has locked him in for the foreseeable future. At what point are we going to admit that maybe Jimbo was right and our football program is led by morons with no accountability to making bad decision after bad decision?

One thing I thought he was right about when he left was his complaint about the boosters spending money on things that didnt directly help the program. The FoF was finally opened in Oct 2025, 13 years after Jimbo asked for it in 2012. The rest of his complaints also turned out to be true in terms of absolutely toxic administration of incompetence. He finally washed his hands of it and burned the place down on the way out. He could had been more professional about it. But imo he couldnt light it on fire on the way out if it wasnt full of gasoline already.

From my understanding Jimbo wanted everything immediately and was told the boosters would need to raise the money for things like the FOF. He wasn’t told no just that it’s going to take time. He also did not like working with Stan Wilcox, which honestly I don’t blame him.

rpcfsu said:

Jimbo could’ve been right and gone about it the wrong way. We’ve had systemic changes done pos Jimbo. And the people Jimbo fought are all gone now.

How is complaining about money, then when someone offers you a raise and everything you asked for wrong? I don’t like what he did because I’m an FSU fan, but I can’t say that I blame him.

beachnole said:

Jimbo was right. Some will paint an alternative picture. But he definitely wanted upgrades that for whatever reason the admin group either denied or wanted to slow roll them out. Then these same people that are trying to claim FSU was willing to give Jimbo all he wanted hired Taggert ....so on hand some want us to believe that Wilcox et al were competent and agreed with Jimbo's vision of the future of college football (which BTW was absoulute right) ageed to his demands but Jimbo left anyway??....then that same competent group (read incompetent) group hired Taggart... which IMO had the finger prints of a WIlcox DEI hire all over it.

We are near the bottom of the ACC with 4 real wins in two seasons. I guess this failure is due to DEI?

Jimbo handled itwrong!The administration handled it wrong! FSU is paying the price for both failures !!

rpd10 said:

So when Jimbo left for Texas A&M, he mentioned that FSU wouldn’t give him what he wanted, which were upgraded facilities at the time. I dismissed this as just sour grapes because he ultimately failed after winning a natty in 2013. But then FSU went and hired Taggart, which was a direct reflection of their poor decision making. And then they hired Norvell and gave him an extension that has locked him in for the foreseeable future. At what point are we going to admit that maybe Jimbo was right and our football program is led by morons with no accountability to making bad decision after bad decision?

Not arguing some moronic decisions by leadership, but if you think upgrades and FOFs win games, I have some beautiful oceanfront property minutes from Salt Lake City I'll let you have for cheap.

Popsnole said:

FSU at no time refused to give him what he wanted. That is Jimbo lying. What FSU did tell him is we don't have the money for it and we have to fundraise for it and it will take quite some time. Jimbo refused to help fundraise for items like an FOF, which meant they weren't getting donations for it at the time. They also presented him a couple of options with different anticipated completion schedules and Jimbo said he wanted the most expensive one but done faster than the cheapest option. Jimbo also incorrectly believed that the College Town money could have spent on all the football stuff he wanted. Should FSU have emphasized what Jimbo wanted more? Absolutely. Under the best of circumstances would it have ever been done as quickly as Jimbo wanted? Nope.

So WT inherited a dumpster fire too? We just didn't call it that.

I think the good ol' boy network, which definitely existed, has been dismantling.

Popsnole said:

FSU at no time refused to give him what he wanted. That is Jimbo lying. What FSU did tell him is we don't have the money for it and we have to fundraise for it and it will take quite some time. Jimbo refused to help fundraise for items like an FOF, which meant they weren't getting donations for it at the time. They also presented him a couple of options with different anticipated completion schedules and Jimbo said he wanted the most expensive one but done faster than the cheapest option. Jimbo also incorrectly believed that the College Town money could have spent on all the football stuff he wanted. Should FSU have emphasized what Jimbo wanted more? Absolutely. Under the best of circumstances would it have ever been done as quickly as Jimbo wanted? Nope.

Weren't they in the midst of the College Town project with idea that they excess cashflow from the rent revenue would give us a stable stream of cash for future projects? Or did I hear incorrectly.

Jimbo was right. Any admin that turns to Taggart after Bobby Bowden and Jimbo Fisher shows that the toddlers were trying to run the daycare and had no clue how to run things.

beachnole said:

Jimbo was right. Some will paint an alternative picture. But he definitely wanted upgrades that for whatever reason the admin group either denied or wanted to slow roll them out. Then these same people that are trying to claim FSU was willing to give Jimbo all he wanted hired Taggert ....so on hand some want us to believe that Wilcox et al were competent and agreed with Jimbo's vision of the future of college football (which BTW was absoulute right) ageed to his demands but Jimbo left anyway??....then that same competent group (read incompetent) group hired Taggart... which IMO had the finger prints of a WIlcox DEI hire all over it.

No. They didn’t. The resources weren’t there. Those needs required a ton of donations (which he refused to fund raise for) and/or real financing that requires you to be able to show you’ve got the money. FOF doesn’t make money so can’t pledge income like you could for CC and stadium redo. SBI literally could not get the resources on top of everything else. Not right then. Some of that was Fisher’s fault and some was just reality. But it’s also true FSU gave him all it could as soon as it could while he was here. Other facilities. Coach salaries. And we’re actively pushing to get the rest. But Jimbo needed everything all at once.

Personally I believe Jimbo was on the right track but was too abrasive in his methods and Andy Miller was a fiscal realist but ultimately it the reckless naivete of Stan Wilcox and John Thrasher's inexplicable reliance on him that led to the mess we find ourselves in.