hubert davis is safe

I think everyone here realizes that.

Not sure if that's true...I don't know anything, but think there's a long ways to go to say he's safe for another year.

he's safe. after the cali trip when we lost 3 of 4 to unranked teams and sat at 2-3 in the ACC, he was not safe. since then he's done enough to get another year.

Two things can be true: 1) Hubert Davis is safe. He has done a nice job this season navigating injuries and winning some big games. 2) The program is not playing to the standard of what UNC basketball has been the last 50 years and it’s very reasonable to ask if Hubert can get us there. There is a ton of nuance involved, as well.

there's not going to be a Caleb next year on this team, i'm not even sure if there will be a Henri. will probably take CHD's best job yet by far just to maintain the same record he had with those two this season

He's safe for another year it's deserved, but is he safe long-term? I don't think so. You have to show up every season not just the even years.

He has been safe since Seth hit that 3 IMO. The team has done nothing to hurt that since

GoWhitePhantoms said:

there's not going to be a Caleb next year on this team, i'm not even sure if there will be a Henri. will probably take CHD's best job yet by far just to maintain the same record he had with those two this season

Disagree. We are 3-1 without Caleb and likely 4-0 if veesaar played against state. This shows that while I wouldn't trade Wilson for any other player in the country, you don't need top 5 talent to achieve success. Uva proves it as well. Freshman typically also have issues on defense as we've seen.

Tarheelfan87 said:

Two things can be true: 1) Hubert Davis is safe. He has done a nice job this season navigating injuries and winning some big games. 2) The program is not playing to the standard of what UNC basketball has been the last 50 years and it’s very reasonable to ask if Hubert can get us there. There is a ton of nuance involved, as well.

If we're talking nuance then it's fair to ask whether Dean and Roy could reach that same standard 1) If they had to overhaul 50% of their rosters or more each year 2) Without a documented "dark money network" to keep the talent cup overflowing (which raises the floor considerably). HD's had to unlearn a lot of what he learned from both those guys because of the way things are now, and it's taken some time to do that.

crash2500 said:

Disagree. We are 3-1 without Caleb and likely 4-0 if veesaar played against stats

i don't think Henri swings a 24 point loss on his own when Fack guards were getting whatever they wanted. but moot since those two won't be on next year's team and will not be replaceable

Seth savethed his job. Caleb can buy him two more years if he can lead us to a win at dook. If he gets to a Final Four, that’ll buy 4 more years. A national championship win would keep him here till 2035.

GoWhitePhantoms said:

i don't think Henri swings a 24 point loss on his own when Fack guards were getting whatever they wanted. but moot since those two won't be on next year's team and will not be replaceable

Every player shifts down a level in significance on both ends of the floor with Henri there, so you can't just assume the game would happen exactly the same with him as it did without.

GoWhitePhantoms said:

there's not going to be a Caleb next year on this team, i'm not even sure if there will be a Henri. will probably take CHD's best job yet by far just to maintain the same record he had with those two this season

To be fair I didn't know Caleb was going to be a Caleb entering this year either. I thought the report on him was raw offensively and this dude came out making Jordanesque moves.

The ones that are not safe are those who spend too much time wanting Coach Davis gone. Some, if not all, can see beyond missed jumpers, missed free throws, missed assignments, and those who are not motivated to perform every day. Some things are self-inflicted!!! Sit back and enjoy the season, the ups and downs, the highs and lows, and everything else will take care of itself.

GoWhitePhantoms said:

i don't think Henri swings a 24 point loss on his own when Fack guards were getting whatever they wanted. but moot since those two won't be on next year's team and will not be replaceable

But it's not transitive like that. Henri completely changes the way that game would have been played on offense and defense. Easily out most important player.

Do it said:

Seth savethed his job. Caleb can buy him two more years if he can lead us to a win at dook. If he gets to a Final Four, that’ll buy 4 more years. A national championship win would keep him here till 2035.

I agree with the premise but not the number of years. Likely half of what your numbers are.

crash2500 said:

Disagree. We are 3-1 without Caleb and likely 4-0 if veesaar played against state. This shows that while I wouldn't trade Wilson for any other player in the country, you don't need top 5 talent to achieve success. Uva proves it as well. Freshman typically also have issues on defense as we've seen.

I dunno if you can say “likely 4-0 if Veesaar played.” That was not a close game and we got solid post production

Rikster2 said:

I dunno if you can say “likely 4-0 if Veesaar played.” That was not a close game and we got solid post production

It's not just about post production though. Those guess got their numbers because they knew alone they couldn't beat them. Had they played henri like that he would have had 40. This doesn't even account for the defensive side.

crash2500 said:

But it's not transitive like that. Henri completely changes the way that game would have been played on offense and defense. Easily out most important player.

i agree on the margins but it's not going to swing an outcome 24 points, sorry no vegas sportsbook in the world changes the point spread by 24 points when a player misses a game not in the history of gambling. the Heels will get their chance with Henri and likely Caleb in a few weeks to set the record straight

Finish strong, and then do it again. That's what I want to see.

Davis and staff have produced mediocre results. His teams have been inconsistent overall and lacked consistent fundamentals. UNC is not maintaining the elite success that is traditional in Chapel Hill. There is a body of work which speaks clearly. Where is next year's front court? It's time for a change.

LiLFingers_Dagger said:

If we're talking nuance then it's fair to ask whether Dean and Roy could reach that same standard 1) If they had to overhaul 50% of their rosters or more each year 2) Without a documented "dark money network" to keep the talent cup overflowing (which raises the floor considerably). HD's had to unlearn a lot of what he learned from both those guys because of the way things are now, and it's taken some time to do that.

I think it's safe to say that the way Dean coached in 1993 would not succeed today. That team was built on multiple defenses and crisp passing on offense, hallmarks of veteran teams. You could never make a superstar frosh carry his teammates' bags these days. I do think a young DES would be an excellent coach today; his approach would be different.

Nothing in that OP made me feel like it was anything other than his opinion.

crash2500 said:

It's not just about post production though. Those guess got their numbers because they knew alone they couldn't beat them. Had they played henri like that he would have had 40. This doesn't even account for the defensive side.

I understand but “likely” was the wrong word to use. “Maybe” would have been better